RYAN AIR LOOKING FOR CAPTs?

[bufe01]

HELLO,
I NOTICED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO SEND YOUR APPLICATION AS CAPT TO RYANAIR, YOU JUST SEND AN E-MAIL (F\Os STILL PAYING).
IN ADDITION TO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY UP FRONT FOR THE BOND BUT WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM YOUR PAY WHILE WORKING.
HOW DO YOU INTERPRET ALL THAT?
CHEERS

P.S. RYANAIR CAPTs COMMENT ARE MORE THAN WELCOME.

[Flughaven]

Whats my interpretation ? ...... eh .... Desperate!

[Aloue]

A bond that is deducted from your pay = paying AND being "locked in". Hmmmm.... is this wise (why not borrow the money, pay for the conversion and keep your options open. Also, you might well find cheaper training elsewhere, given the figures they have quoted to some prospective pilots).

You really need to find out what is involved here. Remember, the offer you are talking about is completely different from that being offered elsewhere (some worse, some better). Have you read the multitude of threads here warning about the various scams used by Ryanair to get you in and then extract money from you? If not, go read them. If yes, then you have been warned.

How about this for a forecast: by November Ryanair will be offering free NG transition training with a reducing bond? They might even start to treat people reasonably (at least for while). Is a pilot shortage not a wonderful thing?

[unwiseowl]

Imagine, you join now, commit to pay them a lot of money, then come November? you'll feel such a twerp when others are paying nothing!

[Ringo]

I'm waiting for them to pay me £50 for my time before applying!!

[One Step Beyond]

come November? you'll feel such a twerp when others are paying nothing

If you've paid FR anything within the last year or more, you must already be feeling pretty stupid.
Did not Pprune posters warn against paying for anything? Did you not listen? Do you not know feel suitably stupid?

I say leave the :mad: stew a few months more til they are really desperate and start really throwing money at people to work for 'em.

What's it gonna be Mick, swallow your pride and treat your staff properly or own the biggest collection of grounded aircraft outside of the Mojave?

[TwoDots]

So, what are they paying for contract Skippers ?

[delwy]

What are they paying? This being Ryanair there are no clear answers to simple questions like that!! But they are paying really good money to some who know how to strike a good deal. In fact now is a good time!

[FRying]

Why join Ryanair while less bully airlines with better T&Cs are ready to hire anytime in gorgeous places around the world ????

You'd have to be completely mad to actually consider joining Ryanair, whether as a captain or as a first officer.

[Baron rouge]

If you've paid FR anything within the last year or more, you must already be feeling pretty stupid.

What is the real deal with that bond agreement everybody talks about but nobody has described.

It seems to me Ryanair is buying 5 years of your life with that new deal, and making you pay it dear.

Lets see both ways.

Up to now, a non rated Jar 25 captain would pay approx. 15000 £ to get the rating this was payed off in less than 3 month flying and then he could leave as he wanted for greener pastures.

New deal, if I am well informed : you don't have to pay anything upfront but:
a 5 year bond of 20 or 25000 £ which you have to repay on your salary every month for 5 years + if you leave at any time before completion of the five years= repay the whole training bond.

Whose got the better deal ???

[delwy]

Baron Rouge, there is no definitive deal so nobody can answer your question. However some people have recently signed on for some very poor deals indeed. I think the way you have laid out the alternatives is as good as any (and the correct course of action is obvious, n'est-ce pas?).

Ryanair want pilots, preferrably those who are tied to them (locked in) in some way and who will sign a worse deal than others signing up. There is always somebody out there to sign on for something much worse than what can be achieved. No news in that! Ryanair's cleverness is to recognise that if you deal with individuals by making different offers the poor negotiators will invariably accept a much worse deal than would otherwise have been available.

[the grim repa]

anyone even considering joining under the current regime is off their head.what is sure is what you will pay out,also that they will change your contract at will once you are bonded in for five years citing such things as slow down in the market and oil price rises.do not underestimate how they can screw you.the list is just too long to start on.