Virgin ops

[blackbox]

Does anyone know why there has been movement within Virgin ops recently; is it due to the expansion???

Recent jobs advertised include: Operations officer / Crewing Officer?

[bacardi walla]

....and a crewing manager :confused:

[Seaton Approach]

Great package, great company...........real shame about the basic!

Is this really what kind of a price is put on the head of a good quality, experienced Ops Controller in the UK these days????

No wonder most Ops folk feel under-valued and under-recognised.

And if that's what one of the more 'prestigious' of UK operators is prepared to offer, then NO WAY are they going to support, advocate, or actively encourage the regulatory bodies in Europe to push through any kind of approved Ops training requirement for their staff coz obviously.... they just don't care!

Shame on you Virgin. :mad:

[Blue Boy]

Great package, great company...........real shame about the basic!

What Company are really you talking about 'Seaton'........

[Seaton Approach]

Blue Boy,

To relate my earlier post to present climes, just replace 'great' with 'sh1t', but leave the 'real shame about the basic' bit the same.

OR.... 'Great package, great company' could actually be referring to Gucci, but then only you'd know that, not me! :E

[G-MANN]

Was thinking of moving to this place myself however as you say the basic is pretty crap considering its London. I wouldn't move from Manchester. Just not worth it.

Shame really, Would be nice to have 'Virgin Atlantic' on the cv!!

G-MANN

[Seaton Approach]

G-MANN,

My sentiments exactly!

I think it's sad that people in Ops jobs around the UK would potentially aspire to work for a high-profile, reasonably successful carrier such as VS, only to find that they want to pay you less than most of the small regional outfits dotted around the UK who operate out of a portakabin in the corner of a car-park somewhere.

Shift pay must be what, somewhere in the region of 3-4k per annum? And no London weighting? You'd be broke before you knew it.

Personally, I'd say a suitable remuneration for the services of an experienced Ops bod in that neck of the woods working for that kind of operator should be around 24/25k pa BASIC plus plus.

I'm not saying that one's salary should always be directly proportional to the size / profile / success of an airline, but within the realms of sense and sensibility surely there should be something on offer that is mutually beneficial.

Is it just me or does anybody else think that the VS package is way below par.....?

[plans123]

I had always assumed (as many others I would guess) that VS would provide one of the better paid jobs. Their HQ in Crawley looks the business - maybe thats where all the money went!!

I think I'll stay where I am ...........:ok:

[Seaton Approach]

I rest my case,

BAE Systems offering up to 25k + benefits + o/t for an Ops Controller with TWO years experience, and I reckon that would be a nice cushy little number too!

Versus VS's 19k, I know which one I'd go for... ;)

[plans123]

I bet you're keeping the details of that job VERY close to your chest!!:D

[blackbox]

Plans23 - The BAE job was recently in FLIGHT and isn’t that secret.. http://www.flightinternational.co.uk/Jobs/2005/07/19/6318/Operations+Controller.html

Back to my original post - I have a suspicion that the job they have advertised as on Ops officer, is a fancy name for an Ops Assistant!

[plans123]

Ah, FI - a fine publication (that only comes across my desk when its 2 months old for some reason)

I've had dealings with Bae Corperate before - sounds like an Ops Assistants job to me.

[Seaton Approach]

I've had dealings with Bae Corperate before - sounds like an Ops Assistants job to me.

Well it's an Ops Assistant's job that pays 6 grand a year more than VS are paying their Ops Controllers ;)

I think blackbox got it right - the VS position is just a glorified Ops Asst. job.....

[kowlaski]

The orange bunch could be recruiting for an Ops Mngr soon as one of the 2 is off to a more 'donnington' climate

[plans123]

Seaton, looking at the ad again and reading between the lines, it looks like that they may call their Assistants 'controllers' and their controllers 'officers'
If thats the case then what does that make me as a 'manager'??

:yuk:

Answers on a postcard to : Ridiculous job titles
Any Corperate Company

;)

[Seaton Approach]

That's a very good point you make actually plans123,

What is an ops asst to one is an ops controller to another and by the way, where would an ops officer fit in?!???? :ugh:

Ops job titles in the UK (and I dare say most other places in the world too) aren't really worth the paper they're written on - ASSUMING you're lucky enough to have a job with a written contract!

So how to derive a yardstick whereby everyone can be singing from the same hymn book so to speak..... Back to the issue of formal qualifications in the ops environment - that old chestnut AGAIN!!!!

Cheers,

SA (VP) :}

[srs what?]

The job advertised is not for a Controller it is for an Officer.

[Seaton Approach]

See my last post.

Assistant / Officer / Controller / Manager

Define each of them in the ops field...