ATP Hour Requirements

[flyingtonka]

Not being a european pilot but still an ATP heli pilot in Yankland, what are the JAA requirements for the ATP in Europe?

I appreciate there are the 13 exams to be done as well as the IR but how many hours are required to "unfreeze" the ATP and what is the hour breakdown ?

I currently have 2400+ PIC, 760 X Country, 120 Instrument, 285 night and 0 Multi Crew

Thanks for your response.

[organ donor]

To unfreeze a JAR-ATPL you must have the following within 7 years:

1000 Hours Total time
350 multicrew
250 PIC
200 Cross country
70 Instrument
100 Night
MCC

[Aesir]

You seem to be short the 350 hrs multicrew required!

JAR–FCL 2.280 Experience and crediting

(a) An applicant for an ATPL(H) shall have
completed as a pilot of helicopters at least
1 000 hours of flight time (see also JAR-FCL
2.050(a)(3)) of which a maximum of 100 hours
may have been completed in a [STD, of which
not more than 25 hours in a FNPT], including at
least:
(1) 350 hours in multi-pilot operations
in helicopters type certificated for a minimum
of two pilots under IFR in accordance with
FAR/JAR 27 and 29 helicopter category, or
equivalent code; or in helicopters required to
be operated by two pilots under JAR–OPS.
(2) 250 hours either as pilot-incommand
or at least 100 hours as pilot-incommand
and 150 hours as co-pilot
performing, under the supervision of the pilotin-
command the duties and functions of apilot-in-command provided that the method of
supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(3) 200 hours of cross-country flight
time of which at least 100 hours shall be as
pilot-in-command or as co-pilot performing
under the supervision of the pilot-in-command
the duties and functions of a pilot-incommand,
provided that the method of
supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(4) 70 hours of instrument time of
which not more than 30 hours may be
instrument ground time; and
(5) 100 hours of night flight as pilotin-
command or as co-pilot.
(b) Holders of a pilot licence or equivalent
document for other categories of aircraft will be
credited with flight time in such other categories
of aircraft as set out in JAR–FCL 2.155(a) except
flight time in aeroplanes which will be credited
up to 50% of all the flight time requirements of
sub-paragraph (a).

[flyingtonka]

Thanks for the detailed response - much appreciated.

[ENG Brit]

350 hours in multi-pilot operations
in helicopters type certificated for a minimum
of two pilots under IFR in accordance with
FAR/JAR 27 and 29 helicopter category

Can anyone please clarify a multicrew question arising from the above?

In an a/c requiring 2 crew under IFR (as above) per Type Certification, but not requiring 2 crew under VFR - can such VFR (multicrew) time be credited?

Secondly, a similar scenario, but where 2 pilots required under IFR and TWO pilots required for VFR per the Operations Manual under FAA 135 - can that VFR/multicrew be credited?

Lastly,
or in helicopters required to
be operated by two pilots under JAR–OPS

Any of you JAA ladies or gents know whether an IFR certified Bell 430 - flown under VFR - is required to be operated by 2 pilots under JAR-OPS ??

Many thanks from a US (non-JAA savy) pilot

[tgilson]

I have been in the same situation as you although it was back in the 90's so maybe things have changed since then - I don't know for sure.
I contacted the CAA for an assessment of my experience ( FAA ATPL plus approx. 6000 hrs ). I was exempt the navs and just had to do the techs . Did that and contacted Mike Smith at Heliair about the flying side of things. Mike being Mike , thought I shouldn't have to do any thing at all considering my experience . A couple of weeks later he called and said as long as I had more than 50 hrs on my FAA ATPL I was entitled to a CAA one !!!
So of I go to Gatwick to demand my ticket . Spoke to Ron Jenkins who confirmed everything !!!!!! As you have to have type ratings on your licence in the UK ( unlike the US ) I just had to do an hour of general handling in the aircraft of my choice ( B206 for me ) and Hey Presto , one shiny new CAA ATPL was on its way to me.

A result from the CAA !!!!!

Sorry I waffled on so much , this will make good bedtime reading along with CRM notes . It's probably all different now what with JAA and multi - engine requirements but it may be worth a try. It still makes a good story though , and it has a happy ending 1