Thanks Rod!!

[HOVIS]

I would just like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Rod at Big Airline for shafting the engineers, (especialy at MAN), by giving Lufthansa Technic an extra 41 'C' checks to perform on the Deutsche BA fleet of 737s.
All this at a time when "no work could be found" to keep 160 eng's and a 6 year old hangar operating at MAN, and 400 plus engineers at LGW facing a very difficult new year!

Once again, ta, mate!

[jongar]

quit your bleeting. Lufthansa Teknik obvoiusly showed better value.

If they can do the job as well and to the same standards then great, why not use them.

Its called business and a few unionised companies might want to wake up to it

[126.9]

:mad:V50, Regardles of whether you're right or not; sometimes a little sensitivity to the present economic and social crisis, goes a long way towards enduring yourself in the face of others! Try remembering that "no answer is also an answer!"

To the BA engineers: I feel for you!!! :(

[GOLDEN LION]

Maybe if BA had looked at this sort of thing earlier they wouldn,t be in the stife they in now.
Did the staff think of this when they constantly kept applying for those hefty pay rises. :confused:

[SITMOFO]

What hefty payrises?

[Recover]

Yes, I too read the letter in BA News, but at least (for once) there was a decent reply which actually made sense. trouble is, you never know whether it's tru or not. I can't really believe BA could not provide the capacity to do the checks, but engineering is not my specialist subject.

Money saving ideas, however, are one of my little hobies and it's quite relevant here. We don't need DBA, just like we didn't need Air Liberte. Both companies have lost us huge amounts of money in the past and DBA continues to do so. So here's an even better idea. Bin DBA. Simple really.

It's nothing personal with our German colleagues, just a matter of survival of the 'Mother' company and we can't do that as money is poured down other black holes (in addition to the toss R S at Waterworld).

And.....

Recover

[rentaghost]

Correct me if i am wrong, but haven't LH Technic just lost the Hapag 738 'C' check contract to Britannia? Maybe this has created space for the DBA fleet, but then it does beg the question with regard to costs... Britannia / Hapag - same company, money stay's within group? BA / DBA same company so use LH???

[HOVIS]

V50,
Quote:- "If they can do the job as well and to the same standards then great, why not use them."

Because, if you put 500+ people on the dole that's less tax going to the goverment and more cash from the government in benifits. Ergo. You, sitting comfortably employed, have to pay higher taxes to keep the unemployed off the streets, police the higher crime rates and employ more DRs and nurses to care for the statistically unhealthier unemployed. Economically sensible don't you think?

As for the huge pay rises, that's a laugh!

For the past six years every pay rise I have had has been less than inflation and closer to 1.5% (over 2 years)! Remember 1.5% of cock all is still cock all!!

I raised this thread to highlight the poor treatment of a group of generally fine professionals that "keep em flying safely",

To be told that you are out of work because the industry cannot support you is one thing but to be informed casually that it's because of the euro and competetive exchange rates does erk a bit, especially as your own line manager didn't have the guts to be honest about it.

End of rant, spleen vented, for those of you that expressed sympathy I thank you.

Will the last to leave please turn out the lights!!

[cirrus01]

Extremely well said HOVIS........ its about time more people realised that doing things cheaper especially in aviation is rarely better. LGW has two hangars capable of the DBA majors, and MAN one , as has been said before , why not keep the money in-house ?? :(

[Itlbefine]

Well said Hovis, the world does not revolve around pilots and the fact that so many engineers are now being made unemployed should perhaps worry the pilot fraternity. I imagine there would be more of an outcry if 100 odd pilots had lost their jobs. The aviation industry as a whole is in turmoil and hopefully we will see fewer job losses from all areas of the industry in the near future. Best wishes to anyone who has found them self in this unfortunate position. :cool: :cool:

[Big Tudor]

One wonders if V50 would be so voiciferous if BA decided to bring in agency pilots to cut costs. After all, as long as they can do the job to the same standard that's ok !!!!!!

[moggie]

Does it make more sense to get the job done by an outsider and have the total cost of the work leave the BA money pool or does it make more sense to spend a little bit more but keep all the money in house?

I am not an economist or accountant (thank god - at least that way I am able to look at myself in the mirror!) but I would have thought that keeping the money in house made more long term sense.

Bu99ered if I know, just a thought.

[Bigpants]

Itlbefine well I am a BA pilot and I am concerned about the loss of engineers as would any sensible person. Beware of plausible sounding explanations from BA Management...they are masters of spin manipulation and deceit.

The future...in my opinion British Airways will become the "Railtrack" of this decade. In short, a company with potential run by prats that do not know the airline business. Engineers and front line staff will suffer, management will survive and prosper but in the end safety will collapse...
and a Happy Christmas to you all.

[Dragonball]

<img src="mad.gif" border="0"> The decision to give the work away is a stab in the back for BA at MAN, not only for the staff but for the airport as a whole. It's common sence to keep the work in house, as HOVIS said and also in my experience the engineering staff are fine professionals with many years experience that "keep em flying" once you've lost this expertise it will be very hard to replace.

My sympathy to all affected.

[Diablo]

"once you have lost that experience it will be very hard to replace". Too true. There was a piece in one of BA's in house magazines with A McD being interviewed. When asked about the enterprise hangar @ LGW being the first to be made redundant, he replied along the same line as the quote above. I have never heard A McD say anything sensible before this, but hopefully this will be the first of many.

Hears hopeing ????? <img src="frown.gif" border="0">