C210 'MAYDAY' call NE Broome WA

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Just heard on Perth Commercial radio 6PR, a C210 gave a 'Mayday' call and has presumably 'put down' on Kilto Station approx 150km NE Broome.
5 POB.
Nothing more as yet.

Hope all occupants are safe and well, and that the pilot of the old C210 made a 'good' landing.

Anybody with any more please? Acft Rego?

Cheers

[overpitched]

Doesn't sound too good. Not too many details yet though.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1414079.htm

[gajunkie]

VH - BIL I believe.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

From 6PR Perth,

Forced landing successful.

All 5 on board OK - except for one minor injuries, pilot I think they thought.

People from Kilto Station on scene.

Well done to pilot for 'job well done'.

Cheers :ok:

[gajunkie]

Thats good news. My heart sank when I read that ABC bullsh*t. It's about time the media was held accountable for the crap they write. Knowing the guys up there, I felt sick reading that.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Thanks Guys / Gals,

Wow.
I posted at 10.11. Responses at 10.21, 10.22, THE POWER OF PPRUNERS!
Awsome.

Thankyou Very Much.:ok:

[gajunkie]

I think we were all about to post around the same time, you just beat us to it. I think we were all hanging on some information about our mates up there. Don't need to read things like the ABC's unfactual speculative rubbish tho.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Thanks 'Junkie' check ya PM's

Cheers:ok:

[gajunkie]

Noticed the ABC have changed their tune now.

That link has gone from:

"Fears for passengers after plane crash
A plane with five people on board has crashed in Western Australia's Kimberley region.

It is understood the wreckage was spotted from the air near Kilto station, about 70 kilometres from Broome in the state's north.

It is not known if there are any survivors.

Paramedics are on their way to the scene."

It now reads:

"Five survive WA plane crash

Five people have survived a plane crash in Western Australia's Kimberley.

The five people were aboard the plane when it crashed near Kilto station, about 70 kilometres from Broome in the state's north.

The pilot has suffered minor injuries, believed to be cuts and bruises, while the four passengers have escaped injury.

They are waiting at Kilto station for paramedics to arrive.

It is understood the aircraft was due in Broome around 9am (AWT), and the wreckage was spotted from the air."


Irresponsible journalism at it's best again.

[Capt Claret]

Not usually a fan of jouralism, I fail to see how the first quote fromgajunkie can be described as irresponsible journalism.

It seems to me to be a resonable first response to what may or may not have happened.

[gajunkie]

It's Cr@p ! Would be better if they just said there was an aircraft missing rather than speculate as to survivers and aircraft "CRASHING" (Always the popular buzz word for a forced landing). Just my opinion but glad all are ok. To the pilot - GOOD JOB !

[Capt Fathom]

...and as the Datsun 120Y passed my house, I heard an almighty bang! I looked out the window and witnessed the driver struggling with the steering wheel as he attempted to park on the side of the road.
Hoping there may be some survivors, I quickly headed down the road. The Datsun was parked awkwardly, with one wheel on the kerb. The occupants by this time had extricated themselves from the wreck (it was a very old Datsun), and were congratulating each other on their good fortune. In no time, the RAC arrive. It doesn't look good for the 120Y.

Looks like the pilot did a good job. My memory of 210's is that they don't glide real well, hence the big engine up front!

[dghob]

I'm a bit worried about the Seneca at Tamworth - according to the ABCNews Online article above, not only was his nose wheel "stuck under the carriage" (?) but it "was diverted to an emergency runway where it landed nose first into the tarmac" Ouch!

dghob

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

G'day Capt Fathom,

C210 glide ratio of about 12.5 : 1, if I remember correctly.
Beaten by the Mooney at about 14 : 1, I am told.
Not many others come close...

The good ole' C210 has got me back to 'terra firma' in 'silent running' OK - and for that I am grateful to its designers.

C-210's - LUV 'EM! :ok:

[Sector3]

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[shnev]

i know the pilot personally, and know the company well.

all passengers are fine, pilot suffering a minor head injury and a badly injured ankle. he's in hospital making a speedy recovery

[Gyro drifter]

Nice photo.

No signs of fire.

Interesting...... hmmmmm

[gassed budgie]

Gyro your correct, there's no sign of fire. But it's pretty plain from the picture why that might be the case.
Gajunkie, your post is also one we probably could've done without. Your right in suggesting it would 've been more prudent for Gyro to keep that line of thought to himself, but your rather silly over the top response was just as bad and just as unneccesary.
I gave pprune a rest for two years because of the bland sameness where topics usually accelerated fairly quickly to a point where everyone got to throw mud at each other. It seems to go with GA for some reason (some of the posts concerning Russell Lee's tragic accident are a case in point, very inappropriate).
It seems nothing has really changed. Deary me.

[gajunkie]

Point taken "Gassed Budgie". Here's the deleted and amended version minus the anger below. However suffice to say it makes me angry that people speculate about pilot error when in fact it is most likely probable that mechanical failure will be found as the cause. In any case its purely speculation till the ATSB have completed their investigation. Anyway, please think Gyro before opening ones trap !

Edited 15/07/05

Nice photo.

No signs of fire.

Interesting...... hmmmmm


And what is that supposed to mean Gyro Drifter?

Don't speculate about what you don't know. People are quick to blame the pilot and by your comment assume he ran out of fuel. I'm assuming you're a pilot Gyro, so instead of making snide accusations, how about commending the lad on a F**kin good job in walking away from that wreck.

The fact that the wings are still attached to the fuselage and that the tanks on the C210 are inboard of the wing tips probably means they are still intact as well. So leave it to the ATSB to work out the cause of the accident, not the jury of Pprune.

Well done D. on a job well done. You got your passengers safely back to mother earth and thats all that counts. I can imagine you would be reliving the whole experience over and over, wondering if there was anything else you could have done. You did your job and did it well and we are all behind you ! Just worry about getting yourself back on your feet and back on the horse again real soon. Best wishes to you.

[kiki]

good job pilot fella,,,, :-) hope u get well soon cheers

[AT502]

For a 21 year old pilot (thats what the 'TODAY' show said this morning) I feel he did very well getting the plane on the ground in tact enought for everyone to walk away.

He has obviously kept his cool throughout the incident - Excellent work:ok: :ok:

10 points to the young lad / lass ;)

AT502 :cool:

[transonic dragon]

Yes, a really great job done by the pilot, by the sound of the reports and the look of the substantially intact C210.

He/she should be highly commended by all, particularly from those within the industry. Sounds like the passengers did pretty well, too, let's not forget.

I certainly agree with other posters re premature & ill-informed prejudgements by anonymous posters here on pprune. Like Gassed Budgie, I also took a long break from the forum for similar reasons, and I'm very disappointed to see much of the same-old same-old bitching and carping.

Come on, people. Our poor little industry needs all the solidarity it can get.

[gajunkie]

"Transonic dragon" - I agree with your statement about our industry needing solidarity. I guess that is what winds people up on this forum, when people make stupid speculative comments against the pilot group.

[scrubed]

Yeah you pud-knockers, leave it to the BASI guys or whatever they call themselves these days to work out hat happened. And I'm sure the driver knows what the hell he did and didn't do.

Unfortunately, it isn't just the ATSB who are interested. The video grab shows a cop getting in the way with his camera. In this picture, (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/its-not-just-a-joy-flight-any-more/2005/07/15/1120934406185.html) (may need rego) you will see he is a Police Forensic guy and they're obviously trying to paint a sinister picure of Neglect or something. Naturally, they've pushed their way into the scene as part of a jurisdictional p!ssing contest.

"Ahem.. it's a crime scene, folks........ now stand back and let the pleese do their job."

Get lost pigs, there was no crime, you are NOT needed. Go bust a car-thief or a granny-basher.

[The Voice]

geeeezus Scrubed ..

didn't it occur to you that just maybe, he (the copper) was tasked to do this job, i.e take a photo or two before the acft was moved or had bits pinched off it, for and on behalf of the ATSB?

Sometimes, mate, the coppers are asked to do these things in an effort to preserve the real story if the investigators can't get there quick enough before the looters do.

Sheesh ..

[scrubed]

Yeah it did occur to me but that doesn't discount the other likelihood which is a REALITY of aviation today.

You do realise this happens, don't you?

If, as you say, they were waiting for the ATSB to arrive before the opportunists could rip out the clocks, then they would've just got the local PLOD to stand around picking his nose and telling people to,

"move along, nothing to see here... move along..." instead of flying the specialist pig up from Perth or wherever and who would take just as long as the ATSB guys to arrive. Why bother sending the forensic guy?

I suppose the pilot was interviewed in the hospital too.

"We'd just like to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind. Now, would you please show us your licence......."

We are advised that in fact, the police are not supposed (allowed???) to interview you in hospital and that we should, in the unlikely event, demand to be taken to hospital regardless of injuries and be kept away from the pigs until one can get one's **** squared away about what actually happened and organise a proper process with representation. And just tell the doc to tell the pigs to f*** off.

Good advice.

Hope you guys never need it.




I suspect the ankle injury, which at first seems somewhat innocuous, arose from a case of the feet being locked rigidly against the pedals in an instinctive, subconscious braking action despite the gear being retracted.

I know the feeling.


Well done and congratulations to the young jock who put the 210 down in mainly one piece. :ok:

[The Voice]

Of course there are those that know, and those that think they know.

The disdain that you show for someone who chooses policework as a career rather than that of an aviator, because lets face it, the world revolves around pilots, is rather obvious, and I'll bet my last dollar, that a police officer is the first person you'd call if you were in a spot of trouble somewhere, um, like lost in the gaffa maybe!

I'm betting that you're not particularly offay with what specialist police officers are stationed where in W.A., but seeing that Broome is a bit more than a shanty town, I'd dare say there'd be one or more specialists stationed there!

[Capt Claret]

What, Voice! Are you actually saying that the world, nay the universe doesn't revolve around us gravity defyers? :=

[scrubed]

Don't forget those that know that they know and, then again, those that merely think they know that they know..... :rolleyes:

I do show disdain, but not for those who choose the career path of Pig. Rather for those who determine to pay them a pittance and for those who recruit what applies for the resultant lowly-paying job.

I also show disdain for those who hasten to enlarge their jurisdiction in whatever way including deciding that an engine failure and forced landing, handled well given the terrain but with resultant bent airframe is a possible "crime scene"......

That process is by no means limited to the police force or even just law enforcement in general. It's in our nature. But I digress....


No I am not "au fait" with which pigs are stationed where but you're right, if I was in need of police assistance, I'd call them. And why not? I pay my taxes just like you and helping me out of trouble IS part of their job.

Sticking their noses into a forced landing as if someone has committed a crime is not as far as I'm concerned but I'm sure some fat-arse politician and policy-maker will disagree with that.

Sadly many of the brain-washed around here will disagree, too.




PS Been lost in the gaffa (airborne though) but never resorted to calling the filth!!!


PPS when did Broome cease to be a shanty town......... :confused:


PPPS Sounds like someone's suffering that old chestnut of afflictions -


Pilot Envy....!!!

[gassed budgie]

You guys crack me up!

[The Voice]

Crikey Clarrie, cheeky of me wasn't it :p

Scrubed get down of your high horse before you fall off.

I may not have tonights winning numbers on lotto, nor may I have the newest BM or Merc on offer, but I do have one of the better jobs on offer to occupy my time.

Oh, and the other thing I don't have, is that thing you describe as pilot envy. Clown. :hmm:

[gajunkie]

Hey can we get back to the original topic. This is not a slander the police forum. Show some respect in your choice of name as well. I hope you never need their help.

[Condensation]

Well done to the pilot! :ok:

[RubberDog]

Hey Griffo,
Please check your PM's if you haven't already done so...

rD

[J430]

This came from a mate of a mate in WA.

Seems the PAX were happy to provide first aid to the pilot who saved their lives. I wonder if there were scissors in that first aid box that would otherwise be considered a terrorist threat?? Makes you wonder.

Allegedly the crankshaft failed between 3&4 cyl while in level flt at 5500' AMSL. I think this might have a TC IO520 in it and I wonder if this is one of the engines that had the dodgy cranks, or is it just unfortunate?

Anyhow its a job well done when you consider what it could have been.

Cheers

J

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[Chadzat]

forgive me if I have missed this point being mentioned somewhere in this thread, but did the pilot make the forced landing with or without wheels extended?

[Desert Flower]

forgive me if I have missed this point being mentioned somewhere in this thread, but did the pilot make the forced landing with or without wheels extended?
Chadzat, look at the photos, son!

DF.

[Chadzat]

Thats what I gathered!

I'm not familiar with the workings on a 210 landing gear, is it electrically driven? Hence the lack of gear extension by the pilot before landing.

Its quite substantial damage! More than what I would have thought.

[Transition Layer]

J430,

Thanks for the photos, sends a bit of a shiver down the spine thinking about all those hours spent up there looking down thinking "Where the fark would I put this thing right now if it went?". The area to the South East of Kalumburu always got me thinking.

The other question you would often ask yourself is "gear up or down?" Seems like gear up was a good call in this case, although it limits directional stability once you're on the ground but the pros generally outweigh the cons.

Quite amazing really, the young girl giving the thumbs up and a big smile from them all. Good work from the pilot!!!

TL

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Many thanks 'J' for the photos.
Sort of finishes the 'almost happy' ending....everybody safe, pilot smiling with only minor disability, poor old '210'.....
they really are a diminishing breed.

Looks like the family almost had a picnic...smiles all around!

I might have kept the wheels up too. A lot of that territory is
S O F T bulldust when graded, and a 'nose over' on landing would have been worse, I reckon. And, from the air, who can tell??

I've had my trusty old Ford Falcon Wagon have trouble in that stuff - and it has 4 wheels - much bigger than those on the C210!

Well done son, may you recover soon & 'get back on the horse'.
And thanks to all for the many POSITIVE responses.

Cheers:ok: :ok:

[Towering Q]

Scrubed....that's a decent sized chip on your shoulder. Get knocked back by the Academy at some stage?

I do show disdain, but not for those who choose the career path of Pig. Rather for those who determine to pay them a pittance and for those who recruit what applies for the resultant lowly-paying job.

You obviously have extensive knowledge about police pay, made enquiries recently have you? Would it come as a suprise for you to learn that the local plod is paid a lot more than the local pilot? If GA was in a better state the salarys would be similar.

I also show disdain for those who hasten to enlarge their jurisdiction in whatever way including deciding that an engine failure and forced landing, handled well given the terrain but with resultant bent airframe is a possible "crime scene"......

How can you say with absolute certainty that it isn't a crime scene? The police have to assume so until proven otherwise. Who's to say sabotage isn't involved, highly unlikely but all bases have to be covered.

Pilot envy???:yuk: Now you're showing your true colours.

Before you ask, no I'm not a "pig", which by the way stands for Pride, Integrity and Guts, I'm a GA charter pilot. I was once in "the Job", quite a few years ago. The reason I left?...became sick of dealing with knobs like you.

To the 210 driver with the broken ankle....job well done.:ok:

[compressor stall]

Hey TQ,

That's a bit harsh...he's obviously a well balanced individual. Chips on both shoulders....

Snow over your way I heard....all the exciting stuff happens after I leave.... :E

[the wizard of auz]

Hey Stallie and TQ, how goes it guys.
Good job that pilot bloke. a sore ankle is a pretty small price to pay to survive a roll in the dust in an airplane.
Could be the guy landed gear up because drag was a factor in getting it to glide to where he wanted it.
he he TQ, we both know that pigs can fly (hey ya Dawny) ;)

[Towering Q]

Stallie, didn't see any of that snow stuff. Could be that the 'Eyre minimum temp phenomena' is moving northward. Either way, I don't think it would compare with the snow you're accustomed to.

Wiz, I think Dawny will be too busy hanging onto the elevator of a Navajo to reply.:ooh:

J430, great photo of the smiling post-crash punters.:ok:

[Continental-520]

Wiz, I think Dawny will be too busy hanging onto the elevator of a Navajo to reply

Hope it's true. Well done mate if it is. Well deserved.

520.

[the wizard of auz]

must be training for something with less engines and faster. ;)
Hope he remembers where that initial twin rating came from when he's famous. :}

[Not_Another_Pot]

Wheels up on that type of ground is the correct thing to do.

Well done young man:ok:

[KID Quality]

Media interest in a plane falling down..........suprise, suprise, suprise..............what would you expect?:zzz: