New Airline Based at Stansted- Maxjet

[captaintrigger]

Do you remember Skylink Airways?

Looks like they will be starting very soon.
There new name is maxjet

Check out their web site

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They are a Us Company which will be based in STN. Flying longhaul Routes using B767 - 200's

Cheers
CT

[carousel]

Skylink/Maxjet have been promising proving flights to STN since Dec 2004 Still no sight of them:confused:

[jabird]

The blue colour scheme looks quite similar to Zoom, who have at least delivered the transatlantic promise. So...

we’ll soon be the first true, everyday low cost airline to fly across the Atlantic.

Don't think so.

And we’re always interested in new ideas on what makes for a great travel experience for you. If you’d like to share any with us click right here.

Smacks of desparation - we haven't got any ideas, so please give us yours?

As the industry's first international LCC

Obviously never heard of Easyjet or Ryanair etc! Even Jetblue fly to the Bahamas - or do they only count places our US cousins actually need a passport to visit?

We've had the empty promises of Flywho etc, and the cynic in me just says Max Jet = Maxed Out.

I think Mr Laker would have a few further comments to add too.

[Yak97]

To be pedantic, according to MAXjet's website they are actually based in Dulles, which assumes they would have a number of options as to where they are going to fly to (they list a large number of countries - Aruba , Austria , Belgium , Canada , Chile , Germany , France , Italy , the Netherlands , and the United Kingdom).

[Cyrano]

Q. What are your fares?

MAXjet will offer industry-leading fares. While today's international airlines advertise low fares, those tickets are difficult to find for the average member of the traveling public. MAXjet's goal is to make low fares available at all times, even for last-minute passengers.

So no need to employ any pesky revenue management, then? Hmm, we know how successful that strategy is... :rolleyes:

[niceguy]

How do some of your people get any life? From where cometh your joy? Certainly not from within if the latest posts on Maxjet is anything to go by.

The thing I cant work out is why jabird and your cronies have not started the most succesful airline in the whole darned world! After all, they obviously they know EVERYTHING you need to know to run an airline and no one else knows anything so where is JaBirdJet??? or CyranoAir?

We have heard all this with flyblu/who/when and now these guys who are giving it their best shot are blighted with ppruners doing the death dance before it gets underway.

'give us your ideas' - damn good thing - passengers feel involved if asked their thoughts but jabird obviously prefers to smack it to them regardless.

So either grow up, startup or shutup. Give the sensible guys a chance.

[pamann]

I must agree that I'm surprised that no MyPPruneLite.com or EasyPPrune.com has been created by a management team of users of this website, as everyone on here seems to know so much more about everything and anything in aviation, no hang on.... everything and anything in the WHOLE GOD DAMN WORLD infact!

Yes I too get a bit fed up with all these non starters but lets not condemn it before it gets a chance! I wonder if some PPrune'ers have somewhat to do with starting bad publicity and malicious rumours resulting in these failed start up's! And you haven't even gotta be a start up! Look at poor EUJet and the likes. Yes they struggle and no one thought they'd start up and even when they do people still want to give em a bashing! Give everyone a chance! Because of course everyone on here must work for BA and have the most perfect job earning loads of money?!?!?
:D :D :D :D :D :D

[niceguy]

in a well researched response to the Maxjet story I now submit a picture for the cycnics.

Dulles saw this recently.

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[jabird]

Niceguy,

With all due respect, if you read my post on other start ups, you will see that I have given my honest thoughts on each one.

I don't think it was that hard to say EU Jet was doomed from the start. I have said positive and negative things about Flywho, but still don't think that kind of operation will work out of Birmingham.

I have also said plenty in defence of Alpha One, and acknowledge that Zoom so far appears to be successful, although I'll admit I haven't delved deep into their business plan.

I believe it was Laker who said "the easiest way to become a millionaire in aviation is to start as a billionaire". The industry is full of people with big ideas but no real commercial sense, whether at the helm of airlines or in the finance department of new airport projects. There are too many transport companies out there which are losing too much money for either their shareholders or the tax payers who bail them out, not to mention the times when consumers get done over.

But, for the record, I do run my own business, but I doubt I'd ever want to set up an airline. That doesn't stop me from having genuine respect for the brave souls that do, or from knocking the business plans of those airlines which appear on the surface to be unlikely to work.

[nickmanl]

I'm gonna defend the critics - each time in the 18 months I have been visited these boards, an airline they have predicted to go bust has done so, aka EUJet, Fly Who, Now etc

It's gonna be difficult for them to suceed, but I'm not going to say they won't. They may have forged a niche market but then again a route to Washington would attract more business travellers than a New York route would compared to leisure travellers.

How many of these business travellers would fly MaxJet to a field in Essex compared to an established airline like BA or United to Heathrow?

All due respect Niceguy, but just because they have a plane doesn't mean they won't go bust!

[MKDC8]

Nickmanl,

Air Travel is not all about buisness travellers,the general public who dont have five grand in their back pocket want to fly to USA/Canada etc from a congestion free airport. They want to turn up,park and get on plane and go, getting to Heathrow found this catchment area is a god given night-mare having to transit the M25 and M4 and then into Heathrow itself.

British Airways has always made in known that they have no intentions of flying from Stansted, they prefer people to get to congested and cluttered/jammed up Heathrow, these airlines are not customer based, they dont care how you get there, how long it takes, but just get here,pay through the nose and be jammed into a seat.

I am not saying Maxjet would be any different, but the travelling public have the right to fly to anywhere as cheaply as possible, if BA wont offer that service, then an airline that has the bottle to do it will !!

You only have to look at BA's short haul routes and the arrival of EasyJet and Ryanair, see how that drove prices down and filled seats, why should I pay £400 for a flight, when flying from a "field in Essex" as the man says fly for half that.

True there is little connecting flights for buisness travellers, but if corporate bosses actually have their heads screwed on the right way, think of the thousands that can save by sticking their staff on a low cost carrier.

Dont knock an airline that has a reasonable buisness idea, in favour of current airlines that will not give customers what they want,

[teachin]

I just looked at their recruitment page, there is no mention of a base at London Stansted...

[nickmanl]

MKDC8, to make a go of this surely they need to attempt to poach these business men from the established airlines - as these are the clientel. Business people want to fly to Gatwick of Heathrow. We know Stansted isn't that much further from London, however English business people with no interest in the aviation world do not realise this, yet alone Washington based business men.

Also, surely if they are offering low cost flights, a bigger aircraft would be better for them as it would mean more bums on seats? The 767-200 is a mighty fine aircraft but only really works when a premium product is offered as well.

the general public who dont have five grand in their back pocket want to fly to USA/Canada etc from a congestion free airport.

Thats exactly what I said about FlyWho/Blu (or whatever the hell they are calling themselves nowadays) and I added they'd they'd probably be better off offering a low cost product, but yet I got shouted down for that as well. If MaxJet are offering a low cost then a bigger market would be to operate to NYC or Florida, not Washington?

I wish them the best of luck!

[cjhants]

there is some up to date news on the usa today website (today in the sky). they are apparently worried about the fuel burn on the 767, and are going to delay until they can get an A330 or 777.
looks like next spring at the earliest.

[firstchoice7e7]

''a field in essex'', yes but it has a frequent, 45 minutes journey time train connection direct to liverpool street station, which lies in the heart of Londons financial centre. Surely this must appeal to business passengers... landing at heathrow and then communting to the city must take ages compared to landing at stansted.

[hasta lueGO]

Latest Press Release from Maxjet on 25th July:

MAXJET (http://www.maxjet.com/docs/MAXjet_Press_Release_1.pdf)

[tick2000]

Thought you may be interested to know that Maxjet actully fly into STN on Monday 30th July at 00:10 utc, on what they hope is the first of 4 proving flights for the FAA.

[Hunter58]

Well, that proves that they are technically able to fly from one side of the pond to the other. Whether they will make money with that or not is another question. Certainly to be followed.

[niceguy]

I just cant believe those guys at Maxjet havent recruited all the geniuses who post on pprune to go run the show for them. What are they thinking?

When there is talent like Hunter 58 just waiting to be hired, with such an understanding of how to run the show I cant imagine where their heads were at when selecting their senior team.

Call them is my advice - call and say you can do a way better job. I am sure they will be happy to hear from you. I would, in their shoes. I would look at what we have done so far, got some 767's, set up the whole damn deal and got to a place where we can fly the Atlantic on proving flights for FAA and I'd say 'waste of time'.

Unless we have Hunter and the guys at Pprune on the team, we are finished. That's definately what I'd say, if I was them.

But I'm not, so that's why they dont need you turkeys, and thats why you still have crap jobs (if you have one at all) and that is why they are the top and you, my happy little dears, are the bottom (usually anyway!)

Like I said, either start up or shut up.

[jabird]

Niceguy,

I'm with hunter on this one. You can run a proving flight, open up for booking, and even sell thousands of seats and have a very high occupancy ratio.

None of the above would offer any guarantee of making money.

You have no knowledge of what work most of the posters on this forum are involved in, so please don't pre-judge people who happen to be sceptical about an airline which is trying to start up in very difficult circumstances.

I wish the folk at Maxjet well. New airlines are always good for competition. Even the failed airlines can bring on success further down the chain - look at how Virgin carried on where Laker left off, and let's hope someone finds a way of making profit at Manston.

Yes, it may be very easy to sit here as a sofa cynic looking at the multitude of reasons which make the odds against this venture still being around and profitable in five years' time very slim. But please don't patronise us for having the good sense NOT to want to start an airline!

[Flame]

Found another picture of it below, this one was taken at Marana, Arizona where the aircraft was being prepared prior to delivery

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=370219

[MKDC8]

Guys,
Obviously Maxjet have done their market research, if they had not, why go to all the bother of leasing planes,painting them, setting up the airline and do the flights, as you say,looking at the long term picture and being in profit at that point is what is all about, not many airlines actually make major profits in the short term.

The General Public needs a choice, to fly from convieniant airports, or job to congested Heathrow. Continental had the forsight to flying to Stansted from Newark, these flights had good load factors and were a daily basis, there is a big catchment area in East Anglia, with buisness travellers from some high powered companies that have links to USA, even these travellers have to find their way to Heathrow or Gatwick. After 9/11, it sent jitters down the spine of Continental and hastily canx flights, so thanks to the terrorist Stansted was without its trans-atlantic link.

Currently Zoom flies to Canada on a weekly basis, this is full all of the summer, a major selling point that many pax have looked at and actually done, is after arriving in Canada get on low cost airlines that fly into USA, a long drawn out way of getting to USA from Stansted, not ideal, but only way at present.

The big boys that hog Heathrow and Gatwick have not got the bottle to branch out into Stansted and fly to hot-spots of tourist attractions on the trans-atlantic network, there is proof that the market is there, yet no-one is willing to fly from there, I welcome MaxJet, I hope they do manage to achieve this trans-atlantic link, as all us potential passengers will get our bums on their seats and make it work.

Ofcourse history in itself, this kind of venture is highly risky, it is not just the fact that another airline is vying for passengers, the big boys then tend to band together and aim to shut them done by whatever means they can. I remember a certain airline going to the high court over a "dirty tricks campaign" against the other a couple of years back, so these guys are not interested in the fair playing field ..........Watch out Maxjet !!!

Finally, before you lot say another sofa critic, I have been involved in the aviation industry for near on ten years now, so think there is some knowledge about this somewhere ........

[Diabolus]

Great connections to Liverpool St or Tube connection from Tottenham Hale Victoria Line. Very nice clean Norman Foster terminal building, good car parking, nice selection of shops, more hotels being built, pleasant countryside around airport.

But why is it just such a depressing area?:( everytime I walk into STN it gets me down.

[LGS6753]

Diabolus - 's Essex, innit?