Where are FR going to get the pilots?

[Bearcat]

From todays Irish Independant......where are FR going to get the pilots? Apart from the rantings of Leo Hairy ar*e my pals tell me as more aircraft arrive, FR are desperate for suitably qualified pilots. Also many foreign crews have failed their sim checks as when non normal stuff happened they broke into their own dialogue as against remaining to speak English. This has happened many times on sim checks.





AIR travellers can look forward to a massive increase in the number of cheap flights out of Dublin. Ryanair is expected to announce it will add three million new seats out of Dublin airport.

As well as dramatically increasing capacity, Ryanair is expected to announce a number of new routes from Dublin to the UK and continental Europe.

Ryanair is likely to reveal its expansion plans later this year when it announces its autumn schedule.

The decision is a momentous one for Ryanair, ending a five-year ban on any significant expansion out of Dublin. The low fares carrier instigated the ban in protest at what it said were uncompetitive passenger charges at the airport.

It currently carries six million passengers a year on 30 Dublin routes. Now it will increase capacity out of Dublin by approximately 40pc.

Initially most of this will be concentrated on existing routes. Only a few new routes will be announced this year.

Separately, Ryanair is also increasing capacity at Shannon, Cork, Knock and Derry airports. Tomorrow, the airline will announce plans to add two new routes out of Shannon: one is expected to be to a location in western France, the other to southern England.

The airline will expand capacity by increasing the size of planes it uses. It is changing its fleet from Boeing 737 200s, which can carry 130 passengers, to 737 800s, which can carry 189.

The number of landing slots the company uses at Dublin airport will remain relatively static.

Ryanair's massive expansion plans will spell bad news for Aer Lingus, which is struggling to become a low-cost operator on both short and long-haul routes. It will also come as a blow to Easyjet, which has been expanding routes out of Ireland recently.

Industry sources say Ryanair's expansion may drive Easyjet out of Ireland.

[RAG RUSHED HELL]

Who is in charge of pilot recruitment now since Mr dooney left,and is this as a result of him leaving?????

[Bigscotdaddy]

That's progress then!!

So now Mr. O'Leary can leave 189 passengers stranded away from home instead of a mere 130!!

[Aloue]

In fact word has it that Ryanair have made "quiet personal offers" to captains in both Aer Arrann and CityJet offering them a free B737 conversion and a "guaranteed" Dublin base. These guys seem to have worked out that this offer might not be entirely unproblemmatic ... given that they are being offered the jobs of existing Dublin based Ryanair pilots!

They are also apparently offering the same positions in interview to folks in the U.S. of A. (via Brookfield) at their "simulator assessments" there.

[Agent12]

I am a UK based jet captain and I have been offered an -800 command course and a "promise " of a Dublin base (which I want) no money up front-just a bond.
Trouble ahead do you think ?

[dicksynormous]

Well unless the whole work permit loopholes are closed he will get away with it. Better a yank with some time than a third world pilot from a jurisdiction of dubious integrity and associated crookery. (ps i'm not on about greece ,spain or austria, countries that have impeccable , honest and non bribeabble civil services.;) ):}

[klink]

@ Agent12: if its not you taking the seat, it'll be someone else. Do what's best for you...

[Aloue]

klink, if you really knew what was going on you would not be making such a definite statement. For those receiving such offers there is actually the possibility that they will end up with egg on their faces (and a big hole in their pocket).

[GGV]

Yes there is (trouble ahead) Agent 12 .... but ... who will have the trouble? The most important thing is, what did they tell you about the bond? If it is like the one I have just been told was recently signed by two Irish pilots it contains a considerable financial risk and immediate exposure for you (as in legal exposure before even starting the course). Also, you are being offered other peoples jobs, almost certainly not because FR intend that you will really get the Dublin base - but for the purposes of putting pressure on Dublin pilots. Similarly, for several weeks FR has been spreading rumours that pilots from the U.S. will be coming to Dublin. In fact, the entire world seems to have been offered jobs in Dublin. But does everybody really believe these offers are real?

The background to all of this has been explained by letter to all FR Dublin pilots in the past couple of days, and what you say is so close to what they say that I am confident you are being cleverly manipulated.

But do you really believe that FR intends to deliver on its promises? When eventually you find yourself without a Dublin base and having the Bond extracted from your salary without so much as a "by your leave" what will you do? Answer: you will either have to sue or you will have to join the many Ryanair pilots who just accepted this kind of behaviour as being part of Ryanair life. But like all of those who have gone before you won't sue without a pilots association to help, which means you are going to pay.

Before you make a decision surely you should make sure you know just how quickly that Bond might become payable (according to what I am told it could be due very soon). You can find out by contacting IALPA (and I presume BALPA). Once you have informed yourself the decision is all yours. But to sign without even knowing the financial risks you run seems especially dumb. I take it from the fact that you asked the question that you would be prepared to take a Dublin base from the many Ryanair pilots at bases other than Dublin who have been "promised" such a base by Ryanair? Not to mention being willing to sign up on the basis of taking other peoples jobs?

What is even more confusing to me is the fact that other pilots are getting FR jobs without having to sign up for the same conditions. You just need to know how to play your cards. They certainly need lots of pilots, the only issue is the terms you find acceptable.

[Agent12]

Thanks for the info GGV

I certainly have my doubts about the whole thing. I havent seen the bond agrrement yet so that will be perused with scrutiny when it arrives. I assume there is a bucket load of Irish captains trying to get back to Dublin also from elsewhere. Why havent they been offerd DUB first? All political or is there something more?

Anyway cheers 4 the insight :confused:

[RAT 5]

I once worked for a company that was, apparently, under pressure from its pilots that there was shortage of drivers, and thus they wnated a bigger slice of the cake. There was a little hestitaion from a draconian management, then the sigh of relief as all the Australians turned up crying for a job. "What shortage" the managers cried. Later on the same argument, and then Eastern US went bust, and US pilots flooded the market, and received validations as the managers convinced the local politicians & authority that there were no local captains.

So that solves problem No.1.

Next, the DUB base. Sounds good, until you read that RYR can re-base you as required. So, DUB in the first month & anywhere else thereafter. Hm!?!

[GGV]

Agent 12, many of the existing FR pilots who have been offered Dublin have said that they will not come to Dublin until the current impasse is sorted out. But RAT 5 has the right idea, they will just move people around as they want, when they want. There are no rules, no official seniority, nothing but the whim of management to control events. I can assure you that they know a thing or two about having "whims" !

It looks like the current priority is to spread word about the "threat" of others coming to Dublin. It would be infantile behaviour if it was not so serious. But there a definite dose of "I want to have my way because I always have my way" about all of this and MOL is more than capable of throwing all of his toys out of the cot when he has a tantrum.

[the grim repa]

aloue,has made a very good point here.in that what you do regarding ryanair is your own business.when you piss on other pilots,it becomes their business and don't expect a brass band to welcome you.action in process at the moment may change what you think you have signed for,without your input and you can end up far from where you want to be.on the other hand all may be rosy in the park when you sign the dotted line.but you better read the fine print and have everything chisselled in stone,because these guys can move the goalposts in front of your eyes and tell you f**k off if you don't like it.you will not be up to these gangsters.you will see!!

[Max Autobrake]

And you can forget about leave - Ryanair won't let you have any.