How many are doing it?

[innocent bystander]

does anyone REALLY know how many engineers are converting thier licences? if so are they office people or hands on? what's the pass rate? or is this a caa secret, will the company force you to, will the world cease to exist as we know it if most don't bother.
i'm a&c and i have the most respected licence in the world (most of the world copied it) i'm not a scholar i dont like exams, so will i burn in hell if i dont do it?
look forward to interesting replys


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[Blacksheep]

Personally I decided on the exit route so I'm doing an MSc part time to upgrade my intellectual capacity. I have an entry level job lined up in another field that pays half as much again as I earn now with prospects to double my money in two years. If I have to spend time studying it might as well be productive.

Years ago when the CAA introduced A8-13 and put paragraph 14 into AWN 10 I was on a B707 Electrics course. We had an Instrument Supervisor in the class who was fed up with taking more and more exams and qualifications, not to get promoted or earn more pay, just simply to stay where he was. He left before the end of the course and joined Plessey to fix traffic lights on the A40 (Western Avenue) for more pay. My mistake was not following him while I had the chance :) A couple of other instrument men left to maintain the Mars Bar production line machines. I don't believe you need a licence for that either, but the pay is much better.

And Plessey/Mars trained them on the company's time, at the company's expense without bonding them http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif

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[time-ex]

I know of more guys who are getting A&P's rather than convert their licence. If you want to do the same don't hang about as the US are about to revamp their licencing system. Reasonable guys have got A&P with little or no studying and walked straight out of Big Airways into jobs with better prospects. All done within 6 months.

[innocent bystander]

time ex, i got an a&p in nashville back in the late 80's, wouldn't say it was hard or very easy, the q & a books were good, cuts down on study material you have to haul around, every thing very informal, that was strange compared to uk system and they were talking of change then until the churning out schools yelled lawyer.I remember some of the questions being a bit ambiggy, the reason i was told if you cant read english how can you read an sb? obvious reference to none english speaking people learning parrot fashion, i believe that we a&p mechanics will soon be called A&P technicians also seen a&p tickets stamped not "valid in usa", a few years ago the feds were getting upset about the amount of maint work be performed outside usa.i spy thin edge of shafting wedge here, any comments from
the states?

[Kanga767]

Hi there,
If you obtain an A&P in the U.S. (I'm an Aussie) What coverage do you get? All the types on your current license, or those and any training you might have done? or nothing except enjoy the brekky cereal it came with???

[Cyclic Hotline]

The A&P licence is not Type Rated. It provides the authority to perform specific maintenance certification activities, to essentially any Type Certificated product.

An Inspection Authorization provides further certification authority regarding Annual Inspections, Major Repairs and Modifications, subject to the appropriate Approved or Acceptable Data.

The FAA Repair Station System, is essentially a delegated version of the above authority, but with the ability to add specific specialised capabilities that may not be approved under an individual license.

Due to the huge numbers of aircraft and types operating in the US, this is a very practical and efficient method of operation. Airline and Air-taxi operations add specific training and experience requirements, but essentially the licence confers the ability to certify any job that you have previously accomplished (experience) or are specifically trained to perform. Additionally, you are required to have all specific maintenance documentation required to perform the maintenance activity. Good skills, experience and quality systems make for good maintenance.

This link contains a very complete FAQ list for A&P license information.
http://www.3lefties.com/erau/ap.htm

This link is for FAR Part 65.
http://www.faa.gov/avr/AFS/FARS/far-65.txt

Link for all FAR's.
http://www.faa.gov/avr/AFS/FARS/far_idx.htm

The A&P license system is going to remain in the same format as it currently exists, following the withdrawal of FAR Part 66 last year.

The FAA system is easy and defined to work under. It works very well and all the information is accessible, free, on the Net.




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[Dragonspet]

Innocentbystander, I wanted to comment on your statement regarding the A&Ps issued with the "Not Valid in USA" stamped on it. This was not done in and effort to regulate imported aviation talent , lord knows there is a limited supply, but was done only if the applicant could not speak and/or understand the english language (as this is an A&P requirement). Several applicants come to the USA to recieve thier A&P but are not able read the language therefor would not be capable of verifying SBs, ADs, limiting thier research potential. This "Not Valid is USA" stamping has not been done since the late 80s. If you happen to know anyone that has an A&P with this limitation it is easy to be removed with a continuing education credit (English 101) from any approved educational establishment.

[innocent bystander]

g'day dragonspet, regarding the not valid usa a&p,s i worked in n.africa in early 80,s seam to remember that some ph'pinos from the ex air america (airline?)that we were working with had them, our main base was malta, most of the a/c were dc3 f27, and usa capt's and we wandered around north africa supplying oil camps, interesting company and very interesting times, plus the pay was good.
you state in your interestes indy cars and bikinis which is excellent,(nascar man myself) but do you watch the cars and wear the b's, it's not clearly stated!!! and pprunes love to start rumours. :) :) :)



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[Dragonspet]

It appears some clarification may be in order normally I prefer to observe to bikinis, but for the record I would consider wearing one if the proper incentive would warrant the behavior. realizing this could tarnish my bad reputation but you guys seem like a likable sort, so run with it.
I will go I hear a beer calling, best regards and keep up the pleasant dialog.

[innocent bystander]

dragonspet, g'day, glad to see you have a sense of humour, regarding the not valid usa
i dont know anyone at the moment who has one,
haven't worked in africa for a few years now,
any news about the feds changing us from mechanic to technician status?, been working pacific islands region, but there getting a bit dodgy now. so off to greener pastures :) :)

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[Dragonspet]

The attempts to implement more stringent regulations proposed by the FAR66 have come to a halt after years of unsuccesful lobbying. Looking at the proposal I feel the reccurring training requirements was one issue that technicians were balking at, and the fact that under FAR 66 the Gov't had more authority in which to revoke and or regulate you limitations if the technitian changes places of employment. I spent a lot of time attempting to read the proposed FAR,but it was quite confusing. Many changes will have to be made before it becomes law. As I understand it, any of us with current A&P's will be grandfathered and will have something like a year to change it to the new o certificate. The most difficult thing as I see it will be new requirements for recurrent training in many cases.try this website out for lastest updates to current FARs.

http://www.faa.gov/avr/arm/nprm.htm

[ottiss]

Kanga767 I resent the fact that you think a A&P license can be obtained through a box of breakfast cearal. I worked damned hard for my license and if it means that little to you why do you have one give it back.

[innocent bystander]

kanga 767, dont insult other licence holders,you can do more with an a&p than you can with an oz licence! first off you have to qualify to sit the a&p, as i said in an earlier message i didnt find it hard or easy because i studied, i think your in for a nasty suprise, check out what they can make you do on the practical, because you might get a examiner who wife just left him for an aussie

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