UK helicopter schools (Merged)

[BOSSCAT]

Any starters for 10!

I am keen to ditch my current profession to persue one in aviation. Can anybody adivise a starting point for researching into a career flying helicopters rather than planes?

Who with?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks All!!

[pitchlink]

If you want to do it, and you have the aptitude there is no time like the present.

Fly with Mike Smith (Heliair). He was my instructor a while back and he will give you an honest opinion if he can in the limited time.
If he can't just enjoy the experience of flying with, I would say, one of the highest houred pilots in the world.

[distings]

See what you've started BOSSCAT.
Seriously, if you have a few pennies available to start a new career in helicopters, either become an avionics engineer (they are looked after), or go to a place that offers good value for money for flying training.
With the market today being as international as it is, I would get a reputable U.S. or Canadian company to train you. They are half the price that you would pay over here, and then you would most likely be offered a job as instructor (another debate), and of course a holiday at the same time.
Licensed to fly an N- reg or C- reg aircraft is you knocking on the door world-wide, and a conversion to a U.K. license isn't too traumatic. In times of stress the North Sea Helicopter companies will even do that for you.
Also, as a structural engineer from Glasgow, maybe you could help Eurocopter to build their next machine from good old steel girders instead of plastic.

[the wizard of auz]

If you knew any thing about physics you wouldnt want to fly a whirlymagig anyway.
:) :) :) Everybody knows that if god had meant them to fly he would have glued the wing on so it could be seen. http://www.fontsnthings.com/3d/0004/uppern.gif :) :)

[This message has been edited by The wizard of auz (edited 18 May 2000).]

[Cron]

BOSSCAT. The stuff about Heliair is bang on, they are V good. There is an instructor there now (Glen) who also has CPL so onestop shop maybe..

[BOSSCAT]

I have been trying to contact HeliAir but their web page is under construction and the the email address [email protected] doesn't work. Any body have a posting address or contact telephone No for anyone who can provide literature etc on the school?

Thanks All

BOSSCAT

[Cron]

BOSSCAT Heliair: 01789 470476 and say Pete Chapman recommended - then there will be laughter..

[stopachoppa]

BOSSCAT,
I have to agree with all of the above plus points directed to Heli-air. And no I don't work for them or have an interest in the company either, but I do have a long history of dealings with both the Wellesbourne and Denham offices. You will be hard pushed to find two higher qualified instructors than Mike or Quentin Smith, and when you consider that they are the level all their employed instructors are aspiring to, you know you're getting quality whoever you end up with.

Yes, there are bigger training organisations about, but remember it not the size its the Quality that counts!!

I work for a Single Engine AOC Operator and we contract 15 Freelance commercial pilots throughout the year. Currently about 50% of our guys learnt to fly with and have gone on to be Instructors with Heli-air, 25% in the Forces and 25% abroad.

Don't hang around thinking about it. If you've got the budget get on the ladder!!

[yogibear]

Hey guys/gals ,
Can anyone give me any info on flying schools or helo operators in the midlands as I am from Safrica and in desperate need of getting some air between my butt and the earth...any help will be appreciated...

[fastback]

Try East Midlands Helicopters, they`re quite close to Nottingham.

Going by they`re web site they operate R22`s B206`s and AS355`s.Telephone number 01509 856464

[R22]

If you prefer the West Midlands, there's Tiger Helicopters at Shobdon, near Leominster, phone 01568.708028.

[yogibear]

To Fastback and R22 , Thanks for the info guys..will give them a call.

Thanks again...

The bear...

[R22]

Yogi, let me know if you're going to Tiger Helicopters; I fly from there regularly; maybe we can meet up.

[Face man]

If you're anywhere near Stourbridge I can vouch for Heliflight. They operate out of Halfpenny green airport and have just expanded their op down to Staverton. I've logged a couple of hours with them and they seem like a friendly lot.

[helinewbie]

My dream in life has always been to fly a helicopter, and now finances allow the time has arrived to give it a go.

Can anyone recommend any damn good flying schools in the Bristol area please? Not only must they be reasonably priced but also have very good, helpful instructors.


Thanks in advance


Paul

[Chopper Moore]

You could try these websites: http://www.helicopters.uk.com/Training/training.html
and http://www.flyer.co.uk
The Flyer website is geared towards general aviation in the UK and so will have a link or a list of flying schools.

My advice is to visit all potential schools, I used to drive past one to get to the one I learned with as they were much friendlier and the machines were a lot better. Good luck.

[flipflop]

Hey mate
Sometimes you have to travel to get the best service. If you don't have any luck in the Bristol area give me a call and I will point you in the direction of one of the better schools in the South with outstanding instructors.
good luck.

[elpirata]

have a look at www.plh.co.uk (http://www.plh.co.uk) they have links to schools all over the place and will give you good advice (what you need I guess)

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El Pirata

[zaza]

Try Staverton Flying School, 01452 712388. They´re based at Glos, but that´s not so far from Bristol

[Banjo]

Try Bristol & Wessex Helicopters on 01275 474868 they are the biggest on the field at the moment both for aircraft and staff.

[Flying Lawyer]

Brian Rowsell at Bristol & Wessex is very good. He's an ex Army Air Corps pilot, and still flies regularly with the Army as a TA pilot.
If you're prepared to travel further afield, Mike Smith at Heliair (Wellesbourne, near Stratford) is the most experienced heli instructor in the UK - and possibly the world. Without doubt the best civvy instructor I've ever had.
Good Luck.

[Chip Lite]

What is your long term aim? That really must be your primary concern. The North Sea is in decline, any helicopter pilot with any sense is converting to fixed wing.

Surely you must look around you and see what you want is ludicrous in this present environment.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Anybody heard of a rumour concerning a helicopter flying school, possibly Tiger from Shobdon, looking at moving to EGCW in Mid Wales?

WWW

[R22]

Yes, WWW. But for various reasons it is only a rumour at present. I should know more at the end of the month or thereabouts; I'll post it here if and when I do

[oldbeefer]

Keep me posted. I'm not a million miles away (like 20)and have 5000 instructional !

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[EESDL]

Old Beefer,
Aren't they paying you enough at DHS?

V insanus in Salopia

[Kenny]

A friend of mine has decided he wants to get his Helicopter PPL. He lives in Suffolk, so any info on UK flight schools within driving distance from there, would be gladly received.
If you have something to say that might set off a riot you can e-mail me and I'll pass it on.

Cheers in advance.



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[quidam]

Alright mate,

Try www.srg.caa.co.uk (http://www.srg.caa.co.uk) for a list of currently approved flight training organisations. That should give yer friend the approved local ones, then its probably best to visit a few and see which ones he/she likes.Good luck.

[Kenny]

Quidam,

Cheers mate, already done that.

Kenny.

[greenarrow]

Try Direct Helicopters at Southend!

[floppyjock]

Probably the best is Heathrow. From there you can hop on a flight over to the US. The flight over its self is less the a hours hire and instruction in this country.

[LAFalot]

I'd like to put the Hughes (MD) 500 series on my licence, and then fly it occasionally either privately and / or freelance charter. Anyone help? ( All reasonable rates considered.) Based southern UK.

[HeliEng]

I may stand corrected, but I do believe that Heli Air @ Denham could help you out on that one, not sure on the rates though.

Drop them a line:- 01895-835899

HeliEng

[Balance!]

You could try Biggin Hill Helicopters at er, Biggin Hill. Web site is www.bhh.co.uk (http://www.bhh.co.uk)

They do reasonable rates and offer block rate discounts

[elpirata]

heli eng,

not saying they dont do it but I never seen an MD500 at denham, but I have at Redhill, EBG Helicopters, and maybe you could try London Helicopter centre also at Redhill.

also I have noticed that whenever people ask for training tips that heli air at Denham are always mentioned, they are OK as far as I know but why do they have so many unpaid reps does anyone know?




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elpirata

[HeliEng]

Elpirata:

There indeed have been many H500's at Denham, I am just not sure whether they are available for training, or are purely Private machines.

Also, what do you mean by unpaid reps?

HeliEng

[Balance!]

I think El P may be hinting at the heavy support for Heli Air on these BB's.

Hey El P, how's the IR coming on? Heard any good lay-by/fuel jokes lately

[HeliEng]

Balance!

Sorry, maybe I am being extraordinerally dense today. Still not catching your drift!

HeliEng

[elpirata]

hi balance:

IR in a helicopter, they told me it would be busy but this brings busy to a new stratospheric level !, starting on the twin squirrel on monday !
as for fuel jokes - hmmn


hi heli eng: by unpaid rep I mean someone who recommends companies in the same way as someone would who was on commission based on sales.

what I want to know is what makes them any better than
1.Cabair - elstree
2.Flightworks - wycombe
3.cabair - blackbushe
4.london helicopter centres - redhill
5.EBG - redhill
6.Biggin Hill Helicopters - (guess where)

etc etc etc, I know Q is good but so are lots of other guys.

have I overcome your denseness yet?
also please dont take me too seriously just asking the question!



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elpirata

[Hoverman]

LAFalot
I don't think HeliAir at Denham offer training on the H500.
Elpirata
This forum is very useful for exchanging experiences of all sorts, including good/bad places to train/rent. Perhaps the reason lots of people recommend HeliAir is that they have good quality machines (and lots of them), give good service/training and, apart from the CFI who always looks as if she could do with something to put a smile on her face, very easy going and friendly.
Bad experiences/reports are just as helpful. eg The small place opposite Leeds Bradford used to be good but, since the change of ownership a few years ago, has consistently bad reports.
Knowledge is power - and can save lots of disappointment and dosh!

[Hughes500]

Send me an e mail I have a couple of 500's . I will self fly hire and do the training .
Normally have one based around the Thruxton area, however will let you take it away.

Training rate is £ 395 hr wet self fly hire depends upon usage. Before you ask the rate is on a D model.

Speak to you soon

[HeliEng]

What people think or certain pilots is down to them, that is down to personal opinion and experience of that pilot. Don't get me onto that one, that is a whole new thread!!

I am not saying that Heli Air is any BETTER than any of the other flight schools that you have listed, what I am saying is that in my opinion it has a good learning atmosphere.

Perhaps the reason that they have so many 'unpaid reps' is because that is the reputation that they have built up for themselves and that is what people think of them??

Are you being a bit cynical elpirata ???

HeliEng

[hot 'n' heavy]

Any flying school types out there who can help me.

I have aus CPLH & am going to be in UK in february & want to talk to a few schools about conversion to a JAA licence. What I need is the names of some schools who do this conversion and will correspond with me via email before I leave oz. ( I emailed several schools over a month ago & received only one response! Is business that good over there?)

Cheers

[Helinut]

hot 'n heavy,
The reason that none of the schools have got back to you may be more to do with them not knowing the answer to your question, rather than not wanting the business. Since JAR-FCL, there is no longer written advice covering most cases, that flying schools can consult to enable them to know what you would need to do. You will probably have to do the digging yourself by talking to the CAA, and give them your particular situation. They have a website <a href="http://www.caa.srg.co.uk" target="_blank">www.caa.srg.co.uk</a> and some pdf files for download, but they never seem to answer the question you have. The closest document I found was at:
<a href="http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/srg_fcl_gid27.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/srg_fcl_gid27.pdf</a>

However, all it really says is you need to talk to the CAA. I am sure this does not help much, but it may help to explain. I could suggest one or two contacts in flying schools, but would rather do it via email: Contact me at [email protected] if you want any pointers.

Nil Carborundum

[NLM13]

Hi there. I am thinking of adding a PPL(H) to my current PPL(A). Can any one suggest/recommend any schools? I am not fussy about country etc. as long as I can do JAA licence. Feel free to e-mail if you prefer.

Thanks in advance.

Lorne

[NigD]

NLM13

Hields Avaition at Chester (where I learnt) are very good. CFI is Gary Cooper, excellent pilot and instructor. . .Good luck and happy flying

NigD

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[SFIM]

NLM13

Patriot Aviation (formerly Burman Aviation) at Cranfield, ask for Jim.

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[Whirlybird]

I'd thoroughly recommend Heliflight, based at Wolverhampton and Gloucester.

[The Flashing Blade]

Can thoroughly recommend Hields Aviation. I trained at Sherburn. Gary Cooper (now at Chester) is a very good instructor. Pat Hand at Sherburn is another.

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[muffin]

As you are north of the Border, why not support your local shop. I have flown with HJS Helicopters at Peterculter nr Aberdeen. Very professional, and although I did not train there, they do seem to be very well organised.

[Jez]

If you don't mind travelling, try some Australian schools. Look up <a href="http://www.helicoptertrainingschools.com." target="_blank">www.helicoptertrainingschools.com.</a> They look for the best schools around and give their unbiased opinion. The site is run by a professional pilot here in Brisbane.

Just a thought.

[Roofus]

Can't really recommend any good ones, but I can warn you off the one I used to get CPL(H) a few years back.....CABAIR in Cranfield! The Helo flying instructor was great but the company sucks!

Go somewhere else is all I could say!

[Flying Lawyer]

HeliAir at Wellesbourne, run by Mike Smith who is reputed to have the most instructional hours in the UK. He teaches PPL(H) as well as Instructor courses.
HeliAir at Denham is run by Quentin Smith and Glenda Wild (CFI).
I haven't heard anything about their other branches, but Wellesbourne and Denham both have excellent reputations.

Good Luck.

[Heliport]

Lorne

The warning notice which appears at the bottom of the page on PPRuNe is there for good and many reasons: "As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent." Or, in ordinary language - Do NOT assume that all 'recommendations' come from independent satisfied customers trying to help you. ;)

PPRuNe rules are extremely strict about free advertising disguised as helpful contributions and Moderators are told to apply them strictly. I let this one run until it got out of hand. I've now edited some posts to take out telephone numbers - and others to remove blatant advertising by schools/instructors. :rolleyes:

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[LOOSE NUT]

Lorne,. .I can say through my own experience that the views given by Roofus and the Flying Lawyer are very acurate and reflect the service I received,having spent a lot of money with the first,but achiving more and spending less at the second.Don't know how you intend to convert block or single but my advice would be draw up a short list and take a trial ride with each,with your avaiation knowledge I'am sure you would be able to select the right one.Hope you enjoy your conversion as much as I enjoyed my training.In fact I like heli's so much I brought my first one this week !!!. .GOOD LUCK & BE SAFE

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[Heliport]

Loose Nut

Which helicopter have you bought?. .Why not start another thread telling us about it, how you made your choice, the pitfalls to avoid etc

[LOOSE NUT]

HELIPORT

It's a Gazelle and will start a new thread if anybody is interested.

[Heliport]

Go for it!. .Gazelle threads always seem to generate interest.

[StevieTerrier]

Jellycopter - I always think a good measure of a flying school is the number of helicopters they have trashed. Maybe FL can enlighten us on the current score at Heliflight, then we can decide for ourselves?

[Flying Lawyer]

StevieTerrier

Sorry, I don't know Heliflight. Perhaps you meant MultiFlight at Leeds/Bradford? I've heard they are good - Mark Griffiths is an extremely good instructor. He taught me, and moved there when the school where I trained closed down. I don't know if he still instructs, or if they've 'trashed' any helicopters. Not sure that's such a good 'measure' of a school - surely the chances of an incident increase with the number of helicopters/students?

I'm only a PPL giving an opinion for what it's worth. There are others far better qualified than me to advise.

[md 600 driver]

you might look at this another way maybe theres one coming . .or if they have had a accident the odds are they wont have another [my 10 pence worth ]

[Whirlybird]

I've heard both good and bad reports of Heliair. Same for Helicentre, and Hields, and several others. Probably the same for every school in the country, if not the world, if you ask enough people.

So how do you decide? I wish I knew. I've always said I should have done more research before I did both my PPL(A) and PPL(H). But I don't know that it would have helped if I had, probably just made me more confused. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[NLM13]

Cheers for all the advice/info. Think I'll have to visit a few places to get a feel for what they are like.

[Amazon man]

I did a half hour trial flight with Gary Ellson of Bournemouth helicopters last year and was impressed, he told me he would have me hovering within that half hour and he did along with several other manoeuvres.

[avlerx]

Try East Midlands Helicopters at Costock (3 miles east of EME). Good friendly training school.

[Heliport]

Interesting assortment of posts.. .Some genuine recommendations based on personal experience, some not quite the 'independent' recommendations they appear to be.

[AG-Flyer]

I am looking for info on schools in the uk i want to do a JAA heli CPL/ALTP i already have an FAA Comm in info would be appreciated
as to which schools are good/deliver on time etc

[advancing_blade]

The hard part will be the writen exams (figure if your flying in Saudi, you must already have some big numbers in your book). I did a course with Bristol ground school (advertised on this site), and can recommend them without hesitation. Enjoy the home work!:)

[charliefoxtrot]

Hi Everyone !!

I'm looking for a training school. Does anyone have any know;ledge of Elstree / Panshanger or cambridge. Has anyone trained with heliair Panshanger ? Any women ever trained there ?

[t'aint natural]

CF:
This is a minefield.
Show me any FTO in the world and I'll find you two people, one who won't hear a word said against it, the other who hates it like poison.
You'll get a subjective judgment from anyone you ask. Flying schools are like shoes. One size doesn't fit all.
In the area you're looking at, there are a number of schools. Why not visit them all? You could have fun doing it. They'll welcome you - it's a bad school that doesn't try to impress a potential customer.
It's worth going further afield, too. I think there are helicopter schools at High Wycombe, White Waltham, Denham, possibly Stapleford. Other posters here could give you a better steer.
Your first impressions count for quite a lot. If the place is clean and friendly, that's good. You're going to have to feel comfortable hanging out there, for quite a long time.
Talk to the staff, talk to the instructors. You'll often get good reports from students, because they have nothing to compare their school with. In my humble opinion, it's better to have some old greybeards around - if all the instructors look like they were recently weaned, that would put me off.
Check out how many helicopters they have, or have access to. Lots of students lose out because if a school only has two machines and one goes tech, you're jiggered.
See how long they've been in business. Bad schools don't last.
I've seen lots of people go into an FTO as if they were joining a family. You're not - you're laying out a lot of money for a professional service. Make it clear you're sizing them up, be cynical and don't accept vague answers.
There are many more good schools than bad.
You've made a brilliant decision already, in deciding to go for it. Good luck with the rest.

[engineoff]

Had some experience with Cambridge Helicopters and can certainly recommend them in terms of thoroughness and knowledge of their instructional staff. Plus the benefits of learning at an airfield with full ATC facilities, and flexible controllers used to the bizarre requests often given on training flights... Know they have had some females through on their PPL courses in the past.

Recommend a visit to all the schools you're considering. Try and chat to some of the people learning there at the time as well as the instructors...

[handyandyuk]

I too have experience of Cambridge Helicopters; mainly the experience that I gained my PPL(H) there. There is a definate advantage in having loads of uncontrolled airspace within 2 minutes flying time and the full ATC (and highly flexible) facility certainly makes things easier for the student. It is also helpful having the space of an airport with a fraction of the traffic.
I can't speak highly enough of the instructional staff who on many occasions went out of their way to asisst me during my training there.
Their ab initio training is done on R22 as you might imagine although they also have R44 available and B206. They now handle the training requirements for Aeromega at Stapleford so not much point looking although I am unaware if anyone else trains down there.

[Heliport]

CF
Yours is a question which comes up quite regularly on Rotorheads.
As tain't natural says, you get different opinions depending who you ask.
If it's any help to you, the flight school in the areas you mention which consistently gets the most good recommendations is HeliAir at Denham.

Good Luck whichever you choose.

Heliport

[smyers]

Hi,
I'm considering starting my PPL(H), and I'm looking for a good flying school in Yorkshire. I am considering Helijet Aviation.
Has anyone studied there, heard any reports etc.

Thanks
Scott

[md 600 driver]

heilds at sherburn
mulfiflight at leeds
heliyorks at sandtoft and leeds and humberside
and there are lots of private instructors around
send pm for any other details

steve

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sorry there is also helijet at leeds and i have not heard any thing bad about them either

[handyandyuk]

Should we not??:eek:

Soz... but I learned there and I'd be back there in a flash.

I fly at HeliAir now (when I can afford it), I have no doubt they are most capable... but as far as training with them goes I can't comment.

When it comes down to it only CF can decide where seems best for his needs.

[Heliport]

What a curious remark Up & Away. :confused:
I didn't train at HeliAir, never instructed there and can't speak from personal knowledge about how good or bad their PPL courses are.
However, because training questions come up frequently on the forum, I make a point of noting which schools or Instructors are most oftem recommended in particular areas.
All part of the Rotorheads service to help aspiring pilots. :)
I would have happily recommended the school where I did my original training but it closed years ago and wasn't in the areas CF specified.

[edit]
Ah! Now I remember. (I'm not as tired this morning as when I posted last night.)
You're the flying instructor who "advised" on a previous thread that Cambridge Helicopters was the "only" place to do an instructors rating. :rolleyes:
Independent recommendations from satisfied customers are permitted on PPRuNe. People plugging themselves or their schools is not, partly because we don't allow free advertising but mainly (in this context) because we don't want people who ask for advice being misled into thinking they are being given independent advice when it's nothing of the sort.

[Hoverman]

smyers

I don't know any of the instructors so this is no reflection on them but I know the HeliJet company and I wouldn't use them myself except for fuel.

Otherwise, I agree with md 600 driver.


[Edited after exchange of posts with Stevie Terrier]

[StevieTerrier]

Hoverman.

Would you like to pop in and have a coffee sometime so that we can discuss old times??

Regards.

Amended after an exchange of posts with Hoverman

[virgin]

You've got some good choices in Yorkshire.

Heilds. Some good reports here a while back

Multiflight. I've heard good reports on and off this forum.

HeliYorks. If that's Jeff Day, I've heard he's a good instructor, very experienced. If not, don't know anything about them.

Heli-Jet Aviation. IF that's the school just off the airport, owned by the car dealer, I've heard reports but won't repeat them here. If it's not the same place/same owner, can't help.

I'm only a PPL in the rotary world but I know from experience your choice of school can make a big difference to the total cost of getting your licence and to the type of pilot you are at the end of the day.
Choose carefully and very cautiously.


Stevie Terrier
Newcomers often ask for advice on the forum. I can understand you must be p*ssed off but isn't it a bit OTT to start threatening lawyers. Aren't people entitled to say 'I know the school and I wouldn't go there myself'. That can't be against the law or slanderous.
Don't we owe it to people like smyers who ask for advice to tell it as we see it? Or should we clam up? Or only say good things?

[StevieTerrier]

Virgin :

Mr Myers asked about Heli-Jet Aviation.

Hoverman replied "I wouldn't fly or fly in any helicopter owned or operated by HeliJet at Coney Park for training or anything else"

thats not quite "I know the school and I wouldnt go there myself" is it?

Hardly a rousing recommendation. If I were Mr. Myers - who has come on to this forum in the expectation of getting opinions from PROFESSIONALS and may believe Hoverman to be such - I wouldn't be going to Heli-Jet would I? Hence the loss of a potential student ( = loss of around £10,000) on some ill-informed "opinion".

You may not think it is against the law or slanderous - and maybe you are right. But Hoverman is implying that there is something wrong / illegal / underhand with the helicopters we operate, but not saying what or why. And he is not just passing his "opinion" on to Mr. Myers, he is posting it on the WWW for the whole world to read.


So.....

Hoverman - I would be delighted if you would like to come back on and tell me why you wouldn't fly in a Heli-Jet helicopter. Maybe I'm reading your post wrong and you just dont like the colour of our helicopters. (And please remember if you do reply that Heli-Jet is nothing to do with Northern Helicopters, the previous operators of Coney Park).

And finally to Mr. Myers -- we have often had the Royal Flight helicopter(s) in at Coney Park for fuel. If the Queen trusts us, then I'm sure you can!

[Hoverman]

Steve
I don't want to fall out with you, I just gave my honestly held opinion which, despite what you infer, is not ill informed.
I have also refuelled at Coney Park on occasions and have no complaints about the fuel. Nobody asked about HeliJet's fuel.
My post wasn't meant to be a rousing recommendation of HeliJet.

I disagree that someone asking for advice on this forum wants the advice of professionals. Many PPLs know more about flight schools than those of us who finished our training years ago.
It's not relevent, but I am a "PROFESSIONAL" and have been in the industry for many years just as you have. If you are the Steve who works at Helijet, we've met a number of times and may do again.
Unlike you, I've worked for several different companies around the country. If I'm right about your ID, you've always worked at Coney Park for all your career.
I come from Yorkshire and know Heli-Jet is nothing to do with Northern Helicopters, the previous operators of Coney Park. Northern Helis sometimes seemed a bit chaotic, but I never heard a bad word about any of the instructors who used to work there, or the quality of NH training. Those instructors have all moved on, and I've got no views on the instructors there now because I don't even know them.

I'm not prepared to give on a public forum the reasons why I wouldn't fly at Helijet and why I wouldn't advise anyone to go there. Believe it or not, I think that's fairer to Helijet.
If that means Mr Myers gives no weight to my opinion, that's entirely up to him. He's entitled to dismiss me as an illinformed crank just as you seem to.
Sorry Steve, no hard feelings on my part. Just an honestly held opinion mainly based on facts I know and partly on things I've heard in the industry.

[misterbonkers]

Well, I guess it also depends opn where in Yorkshire you live!

Think of;

How far am I willing to travel?

What facilities and fleet does the school have?

Can most of the training exercises be done at the base airfield or do I have to pay for transit time to other fields for certain parts of my course?

Do I like the instructors?

What landing fees are applicable? (this can be a significant surprise when it comes to paying!)

Any block discounts available?

Once you've put these questions through your mind and to the schools you will build a better picture up.

Listen to peoples opinions but beware that there are ALWAYS good and bad reports about schools!

Don't jump in feet first, even if you do three trials at three schools, the flight time counts!

[StevieTerrier]

Hoverman - thanks for your reply. I appreciate that everybody has an opinion on everyone and every organisation in our industry. I too have opinions and a long list of people who I consider "chancers".

I know you and I have disagreed in the past about various things (Police operations for one) but I have to take exception when you start casting aspersions upon Heli-Jet, its operations and reputation on a public forum such as this.

If you have been to Coney Park and met "Steve" then it will have been me. And you will know that all I ever do is to give a warm welcome and as much help as possible to any visitors there.

You may not like the people at Heli-Jet (me included) and if that is the case then you can always land at LBA, and pay a landing fee, no hard feelings. However, I cant allow you to "disrespect" (sorry) Heli-Jet publicly without giving a reason. If you have suffered personally at our hands then please say so. We can take it. However, I suspect you are passing on second-hand grievances from people who were connected with Coney Park in a previous existence. (I think you know who I mean).

There also seems to be a misconception about the owners of Heli-Jet. Second hand car dealers? No - but do you have a problem with Blackpool Helicentre, Skyline (as was), Cheqair, Skyhoppers (second hand buses) and many others who are / were owned by "these sort of people"

Second hand car dealers? Well, the Heli-Jet Group did own a Renault Dealership in Leeds until about two year ago. Perceptions, you see, can cause all sorts of misconceptions.

We are constantly checked by the CAA for conformance to the regulations regarding Flight Training Standards, AOC standards, and Licenced Aerodrome Standards. I would defy anybody to say that they have more visits / correspondance from the Authority than we do.

All our aircraft are maintained to Public Transport standards, by a JAR145 engineering organisation.

In five years of operations we have had one accident (student solo dynamic rollover), no investigations, no prosecutions,no warnings - NO regulatory action from the CAA. at all. Compare that record to any other Company you like, it stands on its own merits.


Steve.

[Hoverman]

Steve
I was only trying to help smyers, didn't think it would get as involved as this. Maybe naieve of me.
I wouldn't say what I've said about HeliJet without good reason based on personal knowledge and what I've been told by people in the industry whose opinions I value and trust. (Not the gossip types we all know and love.)
Let's be blunt. It's no skin off my nose what smyers or anybody else does with their money, but Rotorheads is a superb forum and if we can help beginners or anybody else asking for advice I think we should.
It's right you and I disagreed on one thread in the past. I'd forgotten that and I assure you that's nothing to do with the opinion I expressed about HeliJet. I didn't even connect you with Coney Park until you responded to my post. We've met several times over the years and I willingly agree you've alwasy given "a warm welcome and as much help as possible". I've also watched you fly and would happily be flown by you. I don't dislike anybody who works at Heli-Jet.

Let's get one thing straight. I'm not mixing HeliJet up with the previous owners at Coney Park. I'm a Yorkshire lad, I've known the place since it first started and I remember when Mike Thorpe took it over. I would happily have recommended the place to anybody when the previous owner had it. The instructors were good and I occasionally hired helis. I've even got two of your original B206s in my logbook, BTFY and RAMI, and a one off in MRSN. Remember them?
In case you doubt, I remember MS there for a short time in the early days, and AP as CFI. JS was a good lad and I heard was a good instructor (when his mind was on the job). ;) I remember MG arriving, good instructor by all accounts and one of the nicest people I've met in aviation. Landed one of the best jobs in aviation after NH folded. Lucky b*gger.
Almost forgot Tommy with funny double barrel name. Stuck in a time warp, but a character. You've been there for more years than I can remember, and I think the only one whose stayed on since Mike Thorpe bought the place.
I could go on and on and on, right up to the present day but I hope you accept I've known the place well for a long time. I haven't lived in Yorks for a long time now, but Igo back often for work and family reasons and keep my ear to the ground as we all do. It's a small industry.
I've got no axe to grind. I haven't suffered personally at HJ's hands.

"We are constantly checked by the CAA for conformance to the regulations regarding Flight Training Standards, AOC standards, and Licenced Aerodrome Standards etc."
Come on Steve, we've both been around long enough to know that proves nothing. I'm sure we both know operators who get away with murder with the CAA despite what everyone in the industry knows they get up to. Some people put one foot wrong and get done, whilst the cowboys seem to get away with anything however many inspections they get.
"I would defy anybody to say that they have more visits / correspondance from the Authority than we do."
I don't doubt that for a minute. And it doesn't surprise me. ;)

It's nothing to do with perception or views about "these sort of people". I didn't mention car dealers anyway. That was Virgin and I read it as a refernence to Mike Thorpe, not to car dealers in general. I knew about Thorpe's other heli ops long before he took over Coney Park.

Let's agree to differ. I'll settle for "I know HeliJet and I wouldn't use them myself except for fuel."
I emphasise that's no reflection on you persoanlly or any other instructor or pilot at Coney Park.

When my own nephew wanted to learn, I arranged for him to GD when he had his own school. I would have sent him to Mark but he'd moved on to more exotic things than instructing in R22's by then. I just wouldn't have felt happy about him flying at HeliJet even though Coney Park would have been more convenient for him than Sandtoft.

Perhaps we'll have a chat over a coffee next time I call in for fuel? You know me, but you don't know I'm Hoverman. And I didn't know you were Stevie Terrier till this thread. Most people don't use any part of their real name so I didn't put 2 and 2 together. Duh!
Gawd I've gone on a bit but I wanted to clear the air out of respect for you. No hard feelings I hope. I won't post again on this topic.

PS
Look at what Virgin said. He's a lot more subtle than me, but he gave the same message.

[Up & Away]

I am not sure even if Philip Sheldon is still doing Instructor courses as I do NOT work at Cambridge. I was recommending in my opinion the best Instructor Trainer I have come across in 30 years of flying Helicopters and you dismiss it as biased!!

apologise and we'll move on

[md 600 driver]

virgin

heliyorks is run by heather sugden not geof day

geof used to run yorkshire helicopters geof is one of a number freelance instructors in the area and also one of the local examiners as also is heather sugden

regards steve

[StevieTerrier]

Hoverman.

We finally agree about something – Virgin said it better! Its pretty apparent that you dont like Mike Thorpe - and thats fine, ‘cos it’s not really my problem. If you had said “I wouldnt fly in any Heli-Jet aircraft because the owner is a git” that would have been OK. My problem was with the inference that there was something untowards about the helicopters we operate here – which would reflect badly on me and the other pilots working here and flying these “suspect” helicopters. M T may pay the bills, but I say whether the larger machines are fit to go flying, and the CFI likewise with the R22s.

Its obvious from your posting that you do know a lot about the history of Coney Park. I have been here since 1993 working under both “regimes”. One other person still survives from the NH era – JB, who started as ground crew way back in AP’s days, and is now CFI.

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Heliport

Anyhow, those days are all slipstream under the tailfin now. A coffee together next time you call in for fuel? Perhaps you’d better let me know who you are first so that I dont start “slagging” you off to yourself without knowing its you. That could be embarrassing. Send me a PM or an E-Mail if you prefer.

And getting totally off-topic – does Innocenti mean anything to you? If not, there is more than one Hoverman lose on the WWW.

Steve

PS - I use StevieTerrier plus its associated password for all my Internet roamings. My brain is too worn to cope with multiple identities, I’m afraid. It does have its lighter moments as I have had many people (mainly Americans, strangely enough) replying to my E-Mails with “Dear Mr. Terrier”

[Hoverman]

Settled! White with 2 sugars for me please! :)

BTW, I don't dislike Mike Thorpe on a personal level. He's always struck me as a friendly cheerful chap with a ready laugh. That was not the reason behind the opinion I expressed about HeliJet. I'm not going to be drawn further.

Innocenti? Not me. :confused:

[LordGrumpy]

Along the line of this thread. Just as a public health inspector would inspect a kitchen / restaurent.
Do the CAA ever just turn up at a flying school/ maintenance operation/charter company etc etc.
To sort of
Give them the once over and verify that this outfit, are doing it correctly

[Heliport]

Your Lordship
I've never known CAA Ops Inspectors to turn up unannounced. Others may have different experience.
Some operators have a lot more inspections than others. There may be a number of reasons for that. Often it's when the CAA has good reason to be suspicious about an operator, even though they can't prove anything - yet! ;)
The UK aviation world is relatively small, especially the professional helicopter sector, word travels very quickly, and CAA personnel aren't deaf - well, not to that sort of thing anyway. :)

[Chuck K]

"I would defy anybody to say that they have more visits / correspondance from the Authority than we do."

That wouldn't be an encouraging indicator this side of the pond, Mr Terrier. ;)
Maybe things are different in England.

Was it an Englishman who said 'When in a hole, best stop digging.' ?

[StevieTerrier]

Chuck -

You know when you write something and it doesnt quiet come out as you intended? What I was trying (in my simple Northern way) to say was that we operate :

1) A training school

and 2) A public transport operation

and 3) A licensed airfield

ergo : we get three times more inspections than if we were just a training school. Or just a public transport operation. Or just a licenced airfield.

Three different CAA departments = three lost of visits.

Will somebody please take this spade off me?

Besides, I look upon it as a public service. Whilst the CAA are busy with us, all the cowboys can go about their business unmolested!

PS I liked the "Mr. Terrier" touch!

Heliport - The Authority do have a habit of turning up at Pleasure Flying venues with no prior notice.

[Heliport]

Phew! Spade taken away with great pleasure, Stevie T. :)

I didn't intervene before because it was your choice to keep pressing Hoverman to reveal what he knows on this public forum. He (rightly IMHO) was clearly not going to do that. But I don't mind admitting I was relieved when the pair of you reached the 'chat over a coffee' agreement. Always a bit of a gamble to claim someone is ill-informed. Sometimes least said soonest mended.
Well done to both of you for having the debate without falling out over it.

(BTW, Lord Grumpy made clear he was asking about CAA inspections at base, not outside venues. That's why I answered as I did.)

smyers
Well, you've read what's been said about the various Yorkshire schools/instructors, and what Steve's said in response about Heli-Jet. It's up to you to make up your own mind where you want to spend your money and do your training. It's an important decision which you should make carefully.
Apart from Heilds, I know each of the schools/instructors/school-owners mentioned but as a Moderator I can't enter the arena and reveal what I know, or my opinion - even though, in this instance, I happen to hold a very strong one!

Good Luck.
Bet you didn't think your request for advice would cause all this! :D

Heliport
Moderator

[virgin]

"Whilst the CAA are busy with us, all the cowboys can go about their business unmolested!"

Cowboys?
You're quite a gambler Stevie T. :eek:
That's a word you've been known to use yourself to describe MT.
And I wouldn't argue with that description for a minute.

Small world isn't it? ;)

[misterbonkers]

Urm, so me thinks this chap who asked an honest question about where to learn to fly in Yorkshire may travel to a different county altogether now! lol

Welcome to the world of aviation!


Mr Bonkers! Yorkshire has some excellent schools/instructors and it also has the beautiful Dales and Moors to train over - and I'm not even a Yorshireman. I'm sure smyers has the wit to make an informed and sensible decision by now. If he hasn't, perhaps he should take up stamp-collecting instead of helicopter flying. :D

[StevieTerrier]

Virgin!

Come on now, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid were cowboys, but they were OK guys weren't they? Besides, he has Sheriff Stevie and Marshall Jim to keep him out of (serious) trouble now.

Cowboys? Over the years I've seen things that would turn your hair grey in an instant. Plenty of the perps are still around today, and in some cases quite revered, although sadly not all of them lived to relate the tales.

As for it being a small world...well last time I looked it had a cicumference of 21,600 miles. I wouldn't call that small.
;)


Cheers, The Gambler.

[roy wood]

Hi Scott, My names Roy Wood CFI rotary Multiflight, please feel free to give me a call anytime, I'll show you round our facilities make you a pot of tea and answer all your questions ..........Office: 01132387166...Mobile 07973833793
Cheers Roy

[kissmysquirrel]

Mr Wood,
Don't suppose you'd like to show a job hunting CPL(H), FI(R),around and make him a pot of tea? I'll even make the tea!!

Shy bairns get nowt as they say!!:D

[Draco]

Having flown at all of the schools mentioned, and with most of the instructors/examiners too, this all makes interesting reading!

Steve's postings indicate that there must have been many changes since I last flew at Helijet five years ago.

I am sure that the obvious applies; do your research carefully, visit all of the places, look at the standard of the machines, check the safety facilities & the availability of machines, check paperwork, talk to other visitors etc.

Also consider where the bulk of the training takes place; I did some hours in the US, very cheaply I thought, but it turned out that you couldn't do any real training on the airfield from which they operated, so the price saving disappeared in transit to the practice fields.

Beware of the same issues here.

good luck

Draco (with absolutely no axe to grind or financial interest!)

PS
Helijet are responsible for considerable financial loss on my part; I took my original trial lesson there in 1990, got hooked (on helis) and the spending hasn't stopped (although I did all my training lsewhere). Perhaps I should consult a lawyer; could I get legal aid these days?;) Flying Lawyer?

[Flying Lawyer]

Draco

You need a far better lawyer than me.
I was persuaded to do a trial lesson (just for fun) at Coney Park during a visit to Yorkshire in 1995, was bitten by the bug and ended up doing my PPL, and a B206 conversion there. This was in under the previous ownership, not the current.
And it didn't stop there. I've since got my Gazelle rating and I'm half-way through an A109 conversion.
Just for fun, indeed. One trial lesson, and it's cost me a fortune. I'd been perfectly happy flying around in a Harvard until then. I'm the last person you need to advise you!

smyers
Although I did my training in Yorkshire, and carried on flying there for some time, I haven't joined in before because of the direction the discussion was taking. Lawyers pick up a lot of information and, however tempting it might be, we must never breach confidentiality.

I flew with a few different instructors but finished my PPL course, and did my JetRanger conversion, with Mark Griffiths who was then at Northern Helicopters. He's an excellent instructor, and an exceptionally nice chap which is also important. He moved to MultiFlight when Coney Park changed ownership, and may now be Commercial flying only.
I suggest you give Mark Griffiths a call at MultiFlight. Even if he can't help you himself, he's totally straight, no 'rumours' to worry about, and you can safely trust whatever he tells you.

And you can tell him an old student pilot of his sent you along if you want. :)

Tudor Owen

[StevieTerrier]

Draco - 1990? You cant pin that one on Heli-Jet - Coney Park was operated by Northern Helicopters in those days!

I personally am indebted to Alistair Sutherland, then of Sloane Helicopters Northampton branch for my inaugual trial lesson in Summer 1986. I asked him how many hours he had "400" was the reply. Wow! How could anybody ever get so many flying hours in, thought I.

Ker-ching!! What was that sound? Ah, only all my money for the next seven years or so.

Roy - I cant believe you - just when I was convinced Mr Myers was going to come to Heli-Jet!! ;) Is the Flying Helmet still with you, havent heard any of his ATC monologues for a while!
Two sugars in my coffee, buddy, ta!

[captjimmy]

You could learn at multiflight but you pay a landing fee every time you go flying, trust me it all adds up, especially when you are held on the ground at multiflight with the flying helmet waiting for the 757 on a 32 mile final to land, the datcon is ticking. (£3.81 per minute) Dont even ask about the hover training area, I believe its being turned into a hangar.
Choose carefully, but whatever you do enjoy it and dont be put off by this forum. :D

[Heliport]

Put off flying helicopters by this forum Captjimmy!

People exchanging views, or asking advice on all things rotary?
Professional pilots and engineers from all over the world discussing operational or technical issues?
PPLs asking questions and getting answers from experienced professionals, even from top Test Pilots?
Aspiring pilots wanting opinions on flight training generally, or specific to their local area? (Getting the benefit of local inside info can sometimes save them a lot of money in the long term.)

And all without being asked to pay a penny towards the cost of running the forum. Not bad value-for-money, even by a Yorkshireman's reckoning? :)

But nothing's so good it can't be improved. Hope to read more contributions from you to help raise the standard.

Sometimes people even discuss trasporting large quantities of aviation fuel by road, and benefit from the unfortunate experiences of other PPLs on how not to do it - Don't they CapnJimmy? ;) Short-term money saving can cost more - Can't it? ;)

Forgot to ask .......... Still got the Hughes 500?

[captjimmy]

Heliport,
I must appolagise for not making myself clear, my comment was not directed at the forum but at the content of this thread which I feel has got way out of hand after all we are all trying to earn a living in the same industry.
(The 500 is on its way I hope)

[Draco]

"Draco - 1990? You cant pin that one on Heli-Jet - Coney Park was operated by Northern Helicopters in those days! "

Fair point, Steve. I think it was a portacabin then. It wasn't the only mistake, as my logbook informs me it was in 1993 with a Mr Cahill, who IIRC was a 'moonlighting' RAF instructor. He really knew how to enthuse people.

I last flew from Coney almost five years ago, and moved my cash drain to Sherburn.

D

[Bramble 44]

My wife was instructed by Jonathan Penny of Heli Air at Penshanger through from Novice to Licence.
I can certainly recommend him.
E mail me if you would like his moblie no.

[sandy helmet]

Hi charliefoxtrot

If you feel like coming back home to the WI for some training, a school has just started up in Trinidad, to CPL level.

Will definitely be a lot cheaper, not to mention sunnier;)

[Bronx]

Topics like this are good coz they give people a chance to make a decision when they're heard views from people who know.
I don't agree with what capnjimmy said. Sure we're all trying to earn a living in the same industry but that don't mean it's right to keep quiet when a fellow pilot or some new guy could be making a big mistake. Let em hear both sides and then decide themselves.

[StevieTerrier]

Draco -

Yes Ian Cahill or "Mr, Ca---heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellll" as he was affectionately known was (sorry still is) a Top Man. Sadly, we lost him to the Dark Side (plank flying) about 18 months ago.
You may come across him in the pointy end of a 737 next time you go to Majorca. If you do, give him my regards.

ST

[smyers]

I haven't actually started my training yet (still saving up), but I did go up to Heli-Jet a couple of weeks ago for a trial lesson and to be honest it was excellent. I was treat with respect, all the staff were very helpful and pleasent and the place was buzzing.
The lesson was excellent and I learnt a lot, I felt safe and all my qusetion were answered. We even had a laugh!!

Thanks for the interest!!

Scott:p

[virgin]

Hmmmm! Curiouser and curiouser.

When I saw this topic, like everyone else I assumed Smyers was a would-be PPL making a genuine enquiry, so like quite a few others here I tried to help him.

I was surprised by the contents of a PM I received from him a few days after my post, supposedly coming from someone who knew nothing about the industry, training etc and just wanted help in choosing a training school. I'll copy it in full so people can decide for themselves what to make of it. "Hi,
Thanks for your responses on the forum about Heli-Jet. I was wondering if you would like to expand on what you know about MT now we're not on the public arena!! Don't worry what you say won't go any further than your reply.
Thanks again
Smyers Now why would some wannabee PPL looking for a training school want to know what I know about MT (Mike Thorpe - owner of HeliJet)? :confused: I've worked in the aviation industry for too long to fall for that so said nothing despite his assurances of confidentiality.

And now, surprise surprise, Smyers says the place he chose for a trial lesson was the only school people warned him to be careful about. And, he says, "all the staff were very helpful and pleasent and the place was buzzing."
All the staff? They've only got one instructor (the CFI), one commercial pilot (StevieTerrier) and one ground handler/refueller!
"The place was buzzing" What a load of bollox. They've only got half a dozen students.
And why would his response to the people who've tried to help him be :p Curious.

Guys, we've been had!

smyers
The industry in general and people on this forum in particular are always happy to give their time to help beginners. I don't suppose you give a toss but tricks like yours don't exactly encourage people to give their time helping genuine wannabees.

[Heliport]

I've deleted the last few posts and decided to close this thread because there's a real danger that we'll stray over the line - something which all contributors (to their credit) managed to avoid when the thread was at its busiest.
I don't like deleting posts/closing threads and only do so when I think it's absolutely necessary. If anyone whose post has been deleted has any strong views about keeping it going, email me and I'll consider what you say.
Mr Thorpe and his various companies are clearly well-known to some of you, and people seem to have strong views about both him and his operations. However, we've gone as far as we safely can on a public forum.


Smyers
If you are genuine, I'm sure everyone wishes you well wherever you train. You are right to do some research before spending thousands of pounds, and this forum was a good place to ask for advice. You struck very lucky - quite a few people knew a lot about the various Yorkshire flying schools, and gave their time trying to help you.
Virgin pointed out you chose the only school anyone advised you against. But it's up to you whether you accept or reject people's advice. It's your money, your choice.

If you're not genuine, don't spoil things for people who genuinely want advice from people here. It discourages people from bothering to give the benefit of their experience to other beginners.


To everyone
Please don't send me any more PM's pointing out that 'Smyers' posted at 14.02 and 'StevieTerrier' posted on another thread a few minutes later at 14.17. I've got the point. (And my mailbox fills very quickly!!) It may or may not be a coincidence.

Heliport

[bill bridge]

Hi ppl,

Got my first lesson tomorrow at the helicentre in liverpool, has anyone ever used them. If so are they good?
Had a meeting with the MD last week and she basically told me exactly what I wanted to hear, such as the market is really picking up and the career prospects are good. Is she just a good salesperson or is she right?

Also I am going to be paying 190+vat ph if I book blocks of ten. is this a good rate or what.

Many thanks

Bill

[Vfrpilotpb]

Bill, their are others (FTO's) available, check all the prices, and ask direct questions eye to eye with past pupils of same org, very few people will make direct comments on any individual company or their lack of reputation, and to ask on the Pprune will leave this fine org open to the abuse of legal eagles, be it the truth, or nasty rumours that are repeated,

BUT the insurance angle must be questioned, as to what you the pupil will be expected to pay if you crunch something, also get an experienced pilot to show you how to look and check the Tech log and service book, all these sort of things will have a bearing on your state of health/finances, and I am sure that if you read this Rotorheads thread you will be able to see for yourself what the state of the job market is, if you do get going always, always , always do it safely :ok:

PS if you are going to use the R22 to learn in, get a pilot to show you what to look for on the simple, but very critical Teetering Rotorhead!!

[nimbostratus]

If you'd asked this question a few months ago, I'd have advised you to go elsewhere, but Helicentre Ltd have sold the L'pool operation to the new MD Andrea Brown. The instructors there ( Jonathon & Gary), although not commercial pilots themselves, know what they are doing and have good results. 190/hr is about the going rate in this area; the only thing to consider if you intend to become a commercial pilot is whether the 'integrated approved course' would be more suitable to your needs. As far as the job market goes, I'm not sure that it's at it's best at the moment but if you knock on enough doors then you're sure to find something eventually. The North Sea is probably the place to aspire to, but, reading other posts, there seems to be little recruitment. However, I would always maintain that the best time to start training is when there is little work around because the time it takes to qualify means that you will probably be looking for work just when the industry takes its cyclical (no pun intended) upturn. :8

[Topter]

Bill,
In my experience, the various trg orgs out there are, as far as flying goes, pretty much as good as each other. Ask around other companies on the phone etc... One aspect to note though is that all of them are there to make money. The smaller companies with fewer customers will see individual students as a bigger proportion of their turnover and will therefore be prepared to say whatever makes you feel good. The best advice is to see what their success rate is, speak to former students, and ask them about other students so that you don't only speak to the ones the company has directed you to. Find out how much time they were given on ground school and if the instructors were prepared to offer one to one instruction in a classroom.
Don't be shy to ask the awkward questions about what if... crash/bankruptcy etc....
Good Luck

[Hedski]

Good gang. Both instructors are decent knowledgable guys and they'll soon have a third full time. They'll tell it as it is. Good price too. Compare it to London prices!!!! The reason you were told about a good time to be getting in is probably to do with many flight schools being stuck for instructors. I know that Helicentre themselves have two 300CB's, two R22's, one R44 and access to two 206's. Now with only two instructors now and one more on the way soon.......you do the maths!

[bill bridge]

Hi ppl,

Thanks for your advise, had my first lesson with Gary. He was very good and made me feel at ease very quickly. Had a good chat with Andera and she knows her stuff, I like her and the school in general so they are gonna get my business,

Would anyone advise me to get my class one medical before paying up front for a block of 10 hrs, just incase I fail.

Thanks again

[The Nr Fairy]

Bill :

If you're going to go commercial, then having a class 1 is a must - I say do it now, then you've only forked out £500 rather than £1500.

[wokkaboy]

I'm a PPLH who recently moved to the Leeds area and am looking to self fly hire R22s and maybe go on to bigger and better things (conversions and/or a CPLH).

Can any of you recommend (or not) any suitable schools - I've had a look at Multiflight and Helijet so far. Any thoughts?

Cheers,

WB.

[md 600 driver]

some others
hields at sherburn
heliyork at leeds heather sugden
dragon at sheffield

steve

[Crashondeck]

I did plenty of flying with Hields at Sherburn. Definitely worth a look - friendly bunch of people and Sherburn is a great little airfield - no controlled airspace and a good service from the military ATC units up and down the Vale of York.

[Head Turner]

You should plan to get best training which includes the training of operating into and out of airfields with as full an air traffic system as possible. Quiet airfields are OK for the basic skills but 'training' includes everything, R/T, Theory etc.
One other tip. Don't drive miles and miles for the cheapest deal. Afresh student learns quicker

[Whirlygig]

Also consider residential. It is important to learn at the place that suits you.

B&Bs can be cheap. Try local Uni halls of residence in Vacation periods - that is what I did. Some schools offer accommodation.

Although the schools in your area may well be good, don't shut out other possibilities.

Cheers

Whirlygig

PS definitely go for a CPL(H) at an airport with ATC. You learn the discipline so much quicker!!

[wokkaboy]

Thanks all, LOTS of food for thought and apologies if I've covered old ground.

Will get on the case - your comments are appreciated.

WB.

[EESDL]

LBA atc are becoming more au fait with rotary ops and have a RADAR for those sh1tty days when your instructor gets caught out trying to get you to finally hover.
I fly commercially out of LBA and can only comment from a guy who has used Multiflight for a type-rating.
From what I have experienced, they're professional and enthusiastic.
More importantly, for someone about to invest a lot of money into a company, they appear to be financially stable (being owned by PACE electronics, whose set-top boxes are still in high demand).

[cyclic flare]

Wakkaboy,

Another option depending on what side of Leeds you live would be to travel to Barton there are two schools there now that fly enstroms and i,ve seen R22 / 44's training there last time i flew in

Cyclic

[Jed A1]

cf,

Who are the second (in addition to Manchester Helicopter Centre) Enstrom operator at Barton?

[Squadgy]

Flight Academy, been operating Enstroms from Barton for just under a year - also offer pleasure flights in R44s

[Jed A1]

Squadgy - Interesting, thanks.

Any idea who is behind Flight Acadamy, who the instructors are etc.?

[BartonBoy]

Hi Jed A1

The man behind and who set up Flight Academy is Mr John Dunn who is also an experienced instructor. They operate enstoms in the main. I'm unsure on contact details. However, you may contact Barton Aerodrome on 0161 787 7326 and ask for Flight Academy's number.

BB:D

[Jed A1]

Cheers BB.

I think Barton is a great airfield for Heli training. However, it does get very busy from time to time - especially at weekends.

It'll be interesting to see how long the fixed wing drivers tolerate any additional heli flying. There again it would also be interesting to see how long any additional heli flying lasts!

In addition to that it would be interesting to see how long Barton lasts as an airfield!!

Apologies for going off topic and rambling.

Back on topic, I can highly recommend Manchester Helicopter Centre and their Enstroms - I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in their business, I just know them to be good people and very good at what they do. The family has been in the business forever, so they know what they're on about.

From another angle, if I were starting my heli flying again from day one. I would buy a machine. Fly it for a couple of hundred hours and sell it. In the UK, I'm convinced that you would save a lot of money. Most schools will provide an instructor free of charge if you buy a machine off them.

[PANews]

Difficult to keep an on the ball when it keeps moving so fast!

It looks like there is a change of owners at Heliair. This might be of interest.

[ppheli]

Rumour control now suggesting it is a customer who recently bought a blue R44 or two....

[mike papa delta]

Hello,

I will be visiting the training organisations in my area to get a feel for them in the next week or so, with the intention of completing my PPL(H) and then going the commercial modular route (yes, yes I know..!). Do any of you out there have a question I should definitely ask or something that I should look out for that I may not have thought of.

Many thanks in advance,

MPD (J.A.W)

P.S. For the record - I have a smidgen of hours (49) under my belt and a valid class 1 medical but have been way from aviation for 5 years (unless you count craning my neck everytime I hear the sound of the air being beaten into submission and the whine of a turbine).

[NickLappos]

How To Grill A Potential School?

Hot Barbie, lots of Butter and Lemon, on both sides........

[md 600 driver]

you could try and ask the local pilots around you they are most likely to know the good from the bad

steve

[overpitched]

Have a look to see if they paint their hangar floor. It's usually a sign that their not struggling financially and they take pride in their equipment. No guarantee of course, but if you can't pay your bills and you don't give a sh1t there is no way you'll paint the hangar floor !!

[mike papa delta]

Seems a bit of an oversight not to marinade first...

Thanks overpitched - I get you.

Cheers md 600 driver, but you may have unwittingly volunteered - it would appear thatyou are a local pilot (yorkshire?). Any chance of some opinions..? Maybe PM me? (understood if you don't)

Any more along the lines of overpitched's or a killer question would be good...

Thanks very much,

MPD (J.A.W.)

[Flying Lawyer]

HeliAir has effectively been sold. A very substantial shareholding has been sold to a City investor and Mike Smith is no longer the majority shareholder. He's agreed to continue running the company and remains Managing Director.

Mike and family have worked hard over many years and have seen HeliAir go from strength to strength. Last year was its best yet.
I'm told the flying schools are busy and that, in the 11 month period from April 2003 to today, HeliAir sold:
68 new Robinsons (80% of which are R44s)
12+ used helicopters.

It seems like a sensible time to sell. Next year might be even better, but there again ............ who knows?
The new owner, a stockbroker, hasn't previously been involved in aviation but is learning to fly.

[David1903]

Can anyone recomend any good flight school or any good ideas on ways to train fo a commercial licence.

[Talk Turn]

where in UK?
Intergrated or Modular?

[Whirlygig]

Yes.

But it depends on many factors. Location being one, but also:

1. On which aircraft would you like to learn
2. If modular, you can still do the PPL full-time (as I did)

If you wish to PM me, I know about a few schools and know a reasonable amount about the process (as I am going through it) and would be glad to help.

Cheers

Whirlygig

[jote]

Hi, I completed my CPL(H) Last year and had dealings with several schools and instructors in midlands. PM for more info also check out my website. Best of luck whatever you do.

[SEL]

Here is a question, how many flight schools in the UK do not operate the R22? What do they use instead; 300, 47, Enstrom?

There doesn't seem to be an up to date list on the net (including the CAA and BHAB). I reckon it would be interesting to know.

(Perhaps I have too much time on my hands, however...):}

[rotorboater]

Manchester Helicopter school at Barton only operate Enstroms

[Gaseous]

The other school at Barton (Flight Academy??) use Enstrom too.

[Helinut]

An up to date copy of the BHAB Handbook will give you this info for BHAB members - most schools aren't members though.

[puntosaurus]

Flyer (http://www.flyer.co.uk/directory/index.php) magazine has this information online, although it's not organised the way you want it so you'll have to do a little cut and paste. Around London it's mostly R22 with Biggin Hill Helis and Oxford (OATS) on the Schweizer, and Alan Mann at Fairoaks on the Bell 47.

[Jed A1]

AH Helicopters, Devon - S300

Moorgoods, Bodmin - S300

Shoreham Helicopters - Enstrom & S300

DHFS, Shawbury - AS350

[Three Blades]

Bournemouth Helicopters - S300

[Whirlygig]

Sterling in Norwich use the S300 as do Dragon in Sheffield.

Cheers

Whirlygig

[SEL]

So, there are some schools in the UK that manage to operate without the R22. I know that Barton have been using the Enstroms for decades.

Thinking about, Liverpool has a mix of R22 and 300, so maybe the question should be rephrased. Perhaps the question should include schools which do not only use R22 as their primary trainer. As another example, at FAST you could choose from R22, 300, Enstrom and 47.

[The Nr Fairy]

I think it's a bit of a stretch putting DHFS in there - I think they're a bit biased away from anything which isn't multi-purpose (training, liaison etc.), and except for the R44, turbines are the only real choice.

[goose boy]

Worlwide at bournmouth only use the R44 and they seem to be really busy.

Elite helicopters train on

R22

R44

B206 & B206 Longranger

they also offer type conversions onto the AS350

if you pick up a copy of the BHAB it tells you all the operators in the U.k and what aircraft and facilities they can provide

if you like I can post you one

goose boy

[helicopter-redeye]

how many flight schools in the UK do not operate the R22? What do they use instead

The question is ambigious.

Recompute as how many R22s/S300/R44/ Enstroms/ etc are used for training as well and you get a better feel for the underlying data.

One school may run tens of R22s and ten schools may have one S300 each.

h-r:)

[SEL]

Good point H-r. I was leaning towards that in my post further up.

Another one would be Dennis Kenyon, with 300 and Enstrom but he's winding it all up now I believe.

[aeromys]

Do Alan Manns at Fairoaks still run their 47 as a trainer?




Edit - seems they do Alan Mann (http://www.alanmann.co.uk/HelicopterSchool.html)

[ThomasTheTankEngine]

There seems to be a lot more schools now offering more choice of types, Which is real good.

I use to work for MHC about 6 years back, there realy good guys.

[float test]

A lot of the schools mentioned also use R22's.

The R22 is by far the most widely use machine for training

Enstroms are not the only machines at Barton

There is a new helicopter school started at Barton flying R22s and also there is a freelance instructor who has been operating an R22 and other machines out of Barton for at long time

At 100hr less per hour for the robbo than the enstrom i think MHC and FA might feel the pinch

[Jed A1]

I don't think MHC will feel the pinch. You pay for the quality.

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

Well it's all about cost at the end of the day. I've paid for premium training and always felt like i'm just keeping the lights switched on. At the end of the day, contrary to some popular concensus recently here on pprune, you either have to hold the right mentality to be a safe and competent pilot right from the start, or you never will be !

[Gaseous]

TFS.
I trained at both MHS and a robbie outfit at Blackpool and I felt I got good training at both places. It turned out the Enstrom was ideal for my needs and an R22 useless so I was happy to pay the extra. Its not just about costs for everyone. Practicalities figure as well.

[SEL]

I've also noted some schools list other types, say 300 or Enstrom but cannot actually provide them. Either because the aircraft has since gone or the current FI staff isn't rated. Mind you I suppose most new potential pilots will not have an aircraft preference. Still, it is nice to have options, especially if 6'3" and a little on the large side!

[HeliK9976]

First post on here, so please be gentle :D

I have decided that it's probably time to fulfil a long-standing ambition to learn to fly helicopters, so am thinking about starting the PPL(H).

I am based in Sheffield (UK), and have discovered 2 schools right here at Sheffield Airport.

Dragon Helicopters (http://www.dragonhelicopters.co.uk/)

and

Alpha Helicopters (http://www.alphahelicopters.com/)

Just wondered if anyone had heard anything good or bad about them? Or had any other suggestions of good schools near me.

I always wanted a career in aviation, but due to some very bad career advice early on in life I ended up ruling it out. I am now working in IT (IT Manager), and in my late 20's, so I think it would be silly to consider a career change. I just want to do PPL and recreational flying - as much as I would love to change careers, the uncertainty of helicopter jobs and cost of CPL etc. make it pretty much a non-starter.

Thanks

[Stringfellow Dork]

Simply put - Go and see them! Search for the training thread on this forum and glean as much info from it as you can before you do so though.

Choosing a school is about weighing up cost, type and availabilty of training machines, personalities of instructors, distance to travel, facilities on site.

Be slightly cynical and trust your gut having seen all the schools available to you.

Let them know they are being checked out and see how they react...

[Helinut]

The previous posts are all sound advice. However, do be aware that helicopter flying is VERY addictive - you may conclude once you start that the only way to do it properly is by doing it professionally. I did, and it has cost me a packet - Mind you, I don't regret it, because there is more to life than money.

[helicopter-redeye]

Woohoo!, another Helicopter Pilot for Sheffield (that would make 5 when he finishes).

The main thing is to find a instructor who you like, is competent and you can get on which.

Could apply to either of the above. Competent people at both. People who fly with them swear by both. What takes your fancy?

Go talk to the CFI and the instructors at both.

The main difference I think is aircraft type flown for PPL. Dragon favour the 269 and Alpha the R22/ R44.

Wander over and say hello when you get going!

h-r:)

[Johe02]

I would recomend Kuki Helicopters at Sheffield. . .

Don't know about other two. .

[Ioan]

I did my PPL with Tiger Helicopters at Shobdon - might be a bit far to travel for you, but they were very good. The other that springs to mind is Sloane who're based at Northampton. I've talked to a couple of people who trained with them and who reccommend them.

As for PoF - I did the ATPL exam a couple months ago and the Bible as far as the subject goes seems to be "Principles of Helicopter Flight" by W. J. Wagtendonk. You could have passed the subject on that alone. It's an excellent book - takes you from first principles into some depth, as well as covering areas more practical to real flying such as slinging and mountain flying.

Hope that helps,

Ioan

[R22DRIVER]

SPINATO,

I can highly reccomend East Midlands Helicopters based just south of Nottingham. Great outfit, great machines and a very proffessional service!

I did my PPL back there and i thoroughly enjoyed it! They are a small company but with great instructors and a very good reputation in the commercial world.

Ask for Jan or Jonny and you will not go far wrong.

R22.

[muffin]

I would second that. I did my PPL about 5 years ago with EMH at Costock and found them to be a very professional well organised outfit. For books, the best one I have found is "Cyclic and Collective" by Shawn Coyle. Very readable and easy to follow.

[Pandalet]

The Thom PoF book is worth a flick through for the 'how instruments work' and the power-plant bits. Wagtendonk is definately the place to go for principles of flight, tho - check out the amazon second hand section for cheaper copies. Also, WH Smith is about the cheapest I've found for (new) Thom books.

[wokkaboy]

Their website http://www.oxfordaviation.net seems only to mention fixed wing courses.
Thanks

[Oxeagle]

All helicopter training at OAT has now ceased since the CFI(H) retired. Not sure if they still do ATPL(H) ground school though.

Ox :)

[VC10 Rib22]

Affirmitive RE: Groundschool training at OAT (or, alternatively, read the authoritative book "A Million Components in Loose Formation" by Ewe Mustbemad (deceased)
Regards
VC10 Rib22
:ok:

[CAPTAIN COP!]

You're absolutely right regarding the lack of Information on Rotorvation and I for one do not know alot about the said company. They do have a website but the information provided is very limited!

However, I do know for a fact that Rotorvation use a small number of
free lance flight instructors that are among some of the best rotary pilots in the industry and the UK.

What I mean by the above is, they are not only helicopter flight instructors in their spare time but some of them hold positions as Hems pilots and respected freelance/charter/AOC pilots.

Therefore, if I was to undertake the PPL(H) all over again I would't hesitate to commence PPL(H) training with Rotorvation.

Just one rule to bear in mind - which ever of the flight training organisation (school) you select, ensure you pay as you go.
After you've initiated your training and you feel reasonbly sure that you would like to continue the training with the selected school, then and only then, try and to arrange an agreement where you can pay ahead in blocks.

I'd like to wish you all the very best with your PPL(H) and most of all, enjoy!

Captain Cop!;)

[DBChopper]

I have flown with Rotorvation for the past seven years since gaining my PPL(H). Additionally I completed my conversion onto their R44 Astro. There is plenty of information on the website at http://www.rotorvation.com (although I have just tried this and it doesn't seem to be working at the mo - not sure why) but my recommendation would be to phone Richard Woods (tel: 01322 865992) the owner, and arrange to go along, meet him and one of the instructors, and have a chat and a look.
Richard's R22 and R44 are immaculate and his instructors, as mentioned above, are highly experienced freelancers with thousands of hours to their names. The location is an unusual one and quite a confined area, with easy access to Rochester, Biggin, Redhill and the London heli-routes.
I should add that I have no commercial interest in the company, I merely self-fly-hire there (I also hire elsewhere) and have enjoyed doing so. Best of luck with your training, wherever you decide to learn.
DBChopper
:ok:

[thecontroller]

looks like their web domain name expired and they didnt/forgot to renew it. a company in the west indies now owns it!

[DBChopper]

a company in the west indies now owns it!

And I thought my x-country to Duxford was an epic! :rolleyes:

TJF97,

If I can help any more please feel free to PM me.

[Fay Slag]

Hi there,

I used to fly with Rotorvation a few years ago, and agree with the above posters. Richard Woods has a hanger in his back garden and runs the school from there and as others have said, he keeps his aircraft in great condition. He uses experienced instructors probably because he feels safer letting his own aircraft go out with them, and I suppose I would too...
The location is very convenient when you want to take a friend down the heli routes and is close to Rochester airport. At the time, the prices were good too, so a worth a call to Richard. The only down side is that you have to pop over to Rochester to do airfield work such as autos/ quickstops.

Also a school i'd recommend is London helicopter centres at Redhill.

Fay

[DBChopper]

Also a school i'd recommend is London helicopter centres at Redhill.


Yup, me too. The company I gained my PPL(H) with (under its then name of Thurston Helicopters) and where I also SFH. It is still an excellent place to fly, with superb facilities and friendly, knowledgable staff. May be a bit of a trek for the original poster though.

Fay, sounds like we may have crossed paths..?

[helicopter-redeye]

You would need to start/finish at a licensed airfield (I was going to say 'licensed premises' but this may have been mis-interpreted) so unless the facility of R is licensed, either Rochester or AN Other licensed airfield/ helifacility.

h-r;)

[DBChopper]

Rochester is the preferred start/stop location for training as it is so close. LPCs are also carried out there from Rotorvation. Redhill is used for a combination of circuits / EOLs / sloping ground / confined area ops etc. but is a slightly longer hop past Biggin and across the North Downs.

[puntosaurus]

I was talking to an ATCO the other day, and he mentioned that the licensed field requirements have now gone for PPL training. It was just casual conversation, so I didn't get a reference or check it out, but It's worth a bit of research. The Rotorvation people will probably know since it affects them.

I don't know whether it's worth considering, but there's a new school at Damyns Hall (http://www.flyheli.co.uk/cgi-bin/newspage.pl?id=47) that might be quite convenient for you. I have no knowledge of them so can't recommend them, but might be worth a look.

[007helicopter]

I also did my PPL with Rotorvation and was completely happy with the training, My main instructor was called Pete Driver and I am not sure if he still works there but was very thorough.

I would agree with previois posters and get a few lessons before fully committing.

Good Luck - Duncan

[DBChopper]

007 - yes, Peter is still doing some work there although another QHI is doing the majority of the PPL training now, mainly due to Peter's other work commitments as I understand it.

The comments about changes to requirements for licensed locations are interesting. Anyone know any more?

[Heliport]

It's always wise to be very cautious if you receive off-forum PMs from strangers.

Some are genuine and some have their own agendas dressed up as 'help'.


Heliport

[DirtyDitch]

Heliport

Well said !!

[idle stop]

One of Rotorvation's FIs is a very experienced instructor, formerly of Bristow's FTS in its Redhill days. He also instructs commercial students for another nearby company, whose CFI is another ex-Bristow pilot and instructor. I believe there is yet another ex BHL line pilot who instructs for both these organisations.

[Lost Again]

I understand from talking to OATS that Heli training at Oxford was stopped at Oxford as no suitably experienced replacement could be found !

No new school has opened as they are reserving the right to open again if a candidate appears - if this fails to happen they may allow another training organisation in.

Seems like there could be a job opportunity for a good CFI

Please note I have no commercial link with OATS - I was told the above when looking at basing a Heli there.

[DaveU]

Hi All,

I'm considering a career change from a Physiotherapist to a commercial helicopter pilot as the NHS is in such a bad way and i would be fulfilling a life long dream.

Have spoken to several schools around the UK that have provided an insight into the industry etc etc. I attended a "career seminar" at Helicentre aviation, Coventry airport on saturday, aimed at people like myself. As this is a school based at a relatively busy airport and is close to me, chances are they'll get my business. However, just wondered if anyone out there has had any prior dealings/training with them or is aware of their reputation within the industry?

Any info would be great!

Cheers
Dave

[Ready2Fly]

Dave,

first of all: I know no flightschool in the UK beside some websites i visited but (and therefore my post is not at all directed at the school you mentioned):
A flightschool in the end is a business, right? What is the aim of a business? Exactly. Who is bringing the money? Fine....so we do know what we are talking about. :ok:

Please have a look at the search function of this forum and take your time to read through the various (almost countless) number of threads covering this theme ('....if you do the license with us we do our utmost to get you into a job.....' ah, and some do not even mention it might be a job where you do not even need a license). :=

I was not promised anything at the school i did my license with but first of all it was ppl and at the same time i did not expect anything else besides receiving instruction worth the money and time and this i got.

Rgds,
Ready2Fly

[DaveU]

Thanks for this Ready2Fly - As stated in initial post, if anyone has had any experience with the aforementioned school, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Dave

[pamphletboy]

Has anyone here had any experiences of Rise Helicopters at Staverton?

[pamphletboy]

I'll answer it myself: They are excellent!

[BK77]

Hi guys, I'm new on here, so sorry if this is in the wrong place! I'm thinking of taking the plunge into commercial rotary-wing flying, but I'm looking to get my PPL(H) first. I posted this here rather than the wannabes section as it's not really concerning proffessional training.

I've decided I want to get my PPL(H), and have seen some "intensive" courses advertised over in the USA, which incorporate all the practical and ground school elements of PPL(H) training and allow you to achieve the qualification in under a month (some are quoting 21 days). I wondered if there was anything like that over here in the UK that anyone was aware of, as I've been trawling through flight school websites for days and haven't found anything.

I'm based near Newcastle, but would be willing to travel anywhere in the UK. I've been for a trial lesson at my local FTO (Northumbria Helicopters) and while I liked the look and of the place and the instructors, they seemed used to training people over a period of months up to a full year for a PPL(H), and not the more intensive route I was looking at.

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

[VeeAny]

Have you asked them if they will do an intensive course for you ?

Dennis Kenyon used to do this, don't know if he still does.

It would not be a major issue to put together a training plan to get this done quickly the only embuggerance usually is the weather, which in the coming months can be interesting, although you are certain to find to some clear skies amongst them.

[BK77]

VeeAny, thanks for the reply. I'll ask the guys at Northumbria and see what they say, but I am aware that I've picked a difficult time of year to be starting out, from a metorological point of view.

[Brilliant Stuff]

I would have thought any school would be able to do the "intensive" course.

My instructors were always keen for a compressed course because it actually saves you money since your skill level does not erode.

But more than 2 trips per day might be a bit too much I gather.

[Whirlygig]

I did a full-time PPL(H) in the UK and when I was making my enquiries, pretty much every school I contacted was happy to organise it. However, bear in mind that even instructors want some me time so it will likely be five days a week.

I would also recommend starting studying now. The exams aren't difficult but there's a lot of volume even at PPL. Best to start with Air Law, Met and Human Factors.

Cheers

Whirls

[HeliChopter]

Try Aeromega, Cambridge Aeromega Helicopters (http://www.aeromega.com). They do intensive CPL and FI courses so wouldn't be much of a change to do a PPL.

[Camp Freddie]

I was asked several times about this by prospective "intensive" students, and we agreed to do it as long as they kept up with the ground school, which basically meant doing at least 1 exam a week, if they were finish in 6 weeks.

my own limted experience was that in all cases apart from 1 the student let themselves down by not studying in the evenings enough to keep to the schedule, so we had to suspend flying till they caught up, they would use such excuses as "I'm tired from all the flying"

so before you start on your "intensive course" I would say are you sure you mean it? because its quite intensive:)

also I agree with the 2 trips a day and 5 days a week comments, more than that can be diminishing returns. also definitely start studying now and go in to do the exams even if you havent started yet, as long as you are ready.

CF

[Helinut]

I think the reason why most PPL(H)s are done over a period is down to he student, NOT the school. As Vee Any says, if you like Northumbria and the feel of the place ask them. I am sure they will try to accommodate you.

The previous advice cautioning about the student keeping-up is wise, in my view. You must have the relevant ground school done before it is needed for the flying. In general, the student will find full-time MUCH harder than the instructor. 5 days per week would be the max sensible, I suggest.

[Whirlygig]

They do intensive CPL and FI courses so wouldn't be much of a change to do a PPL.I thought the very nature of the CPL and FI courses meant that they are supposedd to be intensive. :}

Cheers

Whirls

[Pandalet]

Consider getting the ground studies and exams out of the way now, while the weather's iffy, then you'll be all ready to blast through the flying in the spring.

[spindrier]

Hello I am looking for some help and did not know where else to turn.

My friend's wife wants to buy him a surprise helicopter flying lesson. He has been going on about learing to fly a heliopter for a while and she sees this as the first tentative step.

Could anyone recommend a good school within ready distance of Clapham?

Many thanks in advance.

[ec155mech]

5 min on google.

found this at redhill Helicopter Pilot Training at Redhill. PPL, CPL, FI Courses (http://www.london-helicopters.co.uk/Helicopter-Pilot-Training.php)

or a bit further south. I know Fast Helicopters does alot of trial lessons.

enjoy

[spindrier]

Cheers have looked at the site; it looks right up his Strasse.

As an aside I am fortunate enough to have a CPL through the mil - I was therefore stunned to find out how much it costs my fellow civi bretheren.

Once again thank you for the pointer.

Regards,

Spindrier

[pilotmike]

As an aside I am fortunate enough to have a CPL through the mil - I was therefore stunned to find out how much it costs my fellow civi bretheren
Yes! It cost us an absolute fortune! But our own civilian flying costs us substantially less.

[flyingscotty]

Spindrier

Helicopter Services at Wycombe Air Park, they will look after you.:ok:

[RMK]

Best and most enjoyable, around London, would be HQ Aviation at Denham. It’s Quentin “Q” Smith’s new school. www.HQAviationLtd.com (http://www.hqaviationltd.com/)

[puntosaurus]

And we'd love to help you too at EBG Helicopters Redhill (http://www.ebghelicopters.co.uk/).

[Bubblecopter85]

Can anyone recommend a good rotary flight school now that fast at thruxton are closing?

Cheers :ok::ok:

[The Nr Fairy]

PPL or CPL ?

What sort of distance do you want to travel, and where do you live ?

There's schools up at High Wycombe - Heliair and Helicopter Services.

There's Bournemouth Helicopters.

Further west, closest I can think of is Dunkeswell.

Gloucester has Heliflight and Rise, to name but two.

[puntosaurus]

EBG & LHC at Redhill.
HQ Aviation at Denham.
Phoenix and Elite at Goodwood.
Helicopter Services and Heli-Air at Wycombe.

That should keep you busy on the phone for a while !

[s1lverback]

Talk to Ken at EBG, Redhill :ok:

[Jarvy]

Polar at Manston.

[Bubblecopter85]

Wow, such a great response so quickly, thank you!

I'm based out of Portsmouth so goodwood or Bournemouth best options. Probably goodwood slightly closer. Any gen on the schools there?

Thanks again, and it will be Cpl (hopefully). :ooh:

[MP5]

I agree with details about Northumbria, a good school.

[Chris Burke]

Northumbria are good. I completed my PPL there at the start of this year.

Scott and Steve were very good to me and continue to help when I ask for it. It's a bit like having an after care service type thing, which for me is a great source of information to have, especially as i'm a low hour pilot.

Chris

[puntosaurus]

I've done a bit of flying for Phoenix, and I know some people at Elite, but I've never done any training at either. Elite are the more established of the two outfits, but that isn't necessarily the most important criterion.

Go along and see them both and see which you feel more comfortable with. If you're thinking about the CPL, you need at least one eye towards future employment. No-one can guarantee you a job but it should be a major topic of conversation as to what opportunities they see and where their graduates are now working.

HTH

[Qualityman]

Today, for the last time, I closed the doors of the Thruxton office of FAST Helicopters.

I've only been working at Thruxton for the last four months, but the number of messages, well wishers and visitors that have been received there over the last week, speak volumes about the quality of the Staff and the service they have delivered.

Having had a facility at Thruxton for over 20 years, there have been many fond memories and stories shared this week, and I am proud to have played even a small part in such a great team.

May I say thank you to all the students, customers, friends, owners and most especially to all the staff, past and present, who have all helped to make FAST at Thruxton such a great fun place to work.

Fondest wishes and the best of luck to you all,

Paul.

p.s. The Training School, Engineering facility and AOC at the FAST Helicopters Head office at Shoreham-by-Sea continue to operate as usual!

[paco]

The end of an era......

Good luck!

Phil

[Hughes500]

Shame, used to instruct for Mike Green at Fast in the mid 90's ,feels like yesterday

[JulieAndrews]

Hey QM, you'll be getting a reputation for being there to turn the lights off if you're not careful !

[Whirlygig]

'Tis indeed the end of an era ... and just as I move back to Newbury as well. Just my bloomin' luck eh?

All the best to the guys and gals who worked there (no such fond wishes for the senior management I'm afraid).

Cheers

Whirls

[Brilliant Stuff]

I did my Mock and my GFT at Fast in '96 with Mike Green and Al Gwilt.

They were excellent.

[Flying Pencil]

I've trained and worked at FAST, Thruxton. Real shame.

[tony 1969]

It is a shame.
I wish the people that worked there all the best in the future.

[Heliport]

This thread started a long time ago so it's worth checking when a recommendation was posted.

eg HeliAir used to have a very good reputation but it was a sold a few years ago and all the FIs who built that reputation have moved on.
The last two left earlier this year.

H.

[Qualityman]

;)
Thanks Julie, I can be happy in the knowledge. as I flick the switch for the final time, that I have always given 100%. :}

[DotMark]

So, at the end, which is the best school near London to get the PPL/CPL (H)?
Even for the price / quality ratio.
Thanks

[Hughes500]

Dot

Go see Leon at helicopter services wycombe nuff said

[DotMark]

Cheers mate. I'll go to have a look at the London Helicopter Centre as well.

[Truthseekers]

I just noticed the post in this thread that Fast had gone from Thruxton. What was the reason why, lack of work in our current recession? Any info on this. Thanks.

[Torquetalk]

Welcome to Pprune Truthseekers.

You'll find at least some of the info you are seeking on related threads. Try a search for Longmint. I'd wish you happy reading, but it isn't.

TT

[stuart williams]

HI Guys, I need some help regarding training, I am so confused, with all the options available, what with USA training seeming to be the cheaper avenue, but with the added complications of visa's and accommodation, plus making the Us trained British license compatible for UK flying.:ugh:
My situation is I have money in the bank from selling our house and I'am now renting very cheaply, with my monthly out goings as low as they are ever going to be.
But as my wife wants to retrain in the south east of the UK, doing a 4 year degree, my options are limited.
Does anybody know where the best place is to train in the UK ?
Plus the total costs I'am looking at to get my PPL and Commercial to an employable level in the UK ? The companies I have so far spoken to, find it difficult to give me a full figure in black and white. Obviously it depends on how quickly I pick it up, but if I can go on the minimum hours possible to pass, then I can go forward from here.

Your comments and advice would be much appreciated,:):):)

[Epiphany]

The companies I have so far spoken to, find it difficult to give me a full figure in black and white.

If you seriously want to train as a helicopter pilot then you had better get used to that response. Ok, you asked for advice. You will no doubt receive much positive encouragement from the rose-tinted spectacles brigade but I hope you will also get realistic advice from others.

Other than the fact that you are living in rented accommodation and your wife will shortly start a 4 year degree course I don't know your circumstances. But if you can live without an income for 12 months whilst quickly spending £100,000+ and support your wife knowing that the chances of employment are minimal at the end of it then go for it.

I wouldn't do it - but then I'm not you. I am divorced though and I hope that the house you sold was a mansion.

[Helinut]

Stuart,

There is a sticky thread that goes through the process and where most questions have been asked and answered.

Getting a helicopter licence is not enough to get you work. You either need to have extra ratings (notably an instrument rating-which costs just as much as your licence) or to have lots of experience. With the IR you may be able to get an offshore job as a co-pilot, when there is a space. That sort of flying is pretty different from much of the other stuff. Onshore you need enough experience to be a flight commander, as such flying is almost entirely single pilot, so no co-pilot jobs.

You need to appreciate that aviation and especially helicopter aviation is different. Firstly, many experienced pilots come from the military with a licence and experience and will have first place in the queue (when compared with someone who just has a licence).

Secondly, operators do not think they need to train you. They think you should get yourself trained before you plead with them for employment.

Thirdly, the further you get, the more the training costs.

It is just my view but, the new European regulatory regime will probably kill all of the industry apart from that which HAS to be done by helicopter.

[Whirlygig]

much positive encouragement from the rose-tinted spectacles brigade Are there any left? ;)

OK .. minina ...

PPL 45 hours @ approx £320 per hour (two-seater piston) plus allow for exam costs, books, equipment (say £500). Very few people do his or her PPL in minimum hours - safe to allow for more like 60-70 hours. Call it £21 grand.

Then hour building to 155 hours at approx £280 per hour. Call it £25 grand

Then ATPL exams ... around £1,800 for the course plus, I think about £70 per exam. Allow for re-sits. Call it £3k

CPL course .... including night qualification ... 35 hours at approx £320 per hour (instructor courses require a higher calibre of instructor) ...£12k.

So that's nearly £60k before you can legally earn money. At this point you are still unemployable as a helicopter pilot (hell I should know).

Then you can do one or both of an instructor rating or instrument rating. An instrument will cost at least £42k.

The instructor course requires you to further hour build to 250 hours, then undertake a 30 hours course costing around £12k.

I don't understand why helicopter schools can't give you a) their hoursly cost and b) the legal minimums? The you could do the sums. However, most people do not do their PPL in minimum hours.

Hope that helps.

Whirls

[fluffy5]

Dear Stuart,

All the above information is good advice. I started a thread sometime back on the cost of overall training in the Uk, with many people putting their input in.
You are like many people who have sold something, or working two or three jobs to get what they want or think they want to do. The civilian helicopter industry in the uk onshore and offshore is a long and very expensive road to travel. You will have some pilots that have gained their licences and have started to earn a appropriate salary to support the family within 18 months........ exceptionally lucky people, majority of guys I know it has taken them anywhere between 5 to 10 years !
In time you will gain experience, that will make you more maketable to the large companies. I take it you are married with a family, and do not have a job and your wife is going to retrain. Cold hard facts are that you maybe unlucky and are not earning 30.000pounds a year from instruction or commercial work until another 5 years, wifey is then qualified with her new degree, what will be her projected income after she finishes because she may have to support the household.
Another thing that a very good friend of mine tells people and that is, "before starting on this new career path your married partner must understand and be 100% behind you, as that quite a few students have travelled the path and their partners have become very despondent in not understanding your new career, and the large financial burden of sending your family down this road". Helicopter Pilots do have a rather high divorce rate along their career.
Be very aware of training schools saying you can earn 100,000 pounds a year after 5 years. There are very few training captains in the offshore market in the uk that earn that, and they have been at it for the last 20 years. Other option is once qualified tour and work around the world, which will then kick the settled down with family in the nuts.
Saying all of the above seems not a good horse to bet on, but we are not sitting behind a desk all day, we can be free and fly around the skies and realise that you could not do anything else.
I do have friends that are content in the uk industry, those that do not earn huge amounts of money, but their partners have well paying jobs so the family and household is financially secure, with no divorce solicitors insight :}

All the best

Fluffy5

[Cylinder Head]

Hi Stuart
Going into the helicopter industry in the current climate would be brave for a family man, particularly one whose whife is looking to study for 4 years. Apart from a min of £70,000 you will have to fund for training costs, you will have to be geographically mobile to secure a job. If you are going to be prepared to move to the far end of the country at 2 or 3 weeks' notice, then you might have a chance of securing a first job once you have the necessary qualifications.

As regards where to train, I would recommend that you continue to work and do your PPL locally. Go and see several flying schools and have a trial lesson with each, see what you like but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES be tempted to secure a cheaper hourly rate but putting a slug of money in their bank accounts upfront. Companies who are keen to quote much cheaper future rates to get cash flow may just be the one's who close the doors a few weeks later, once your cash has disappeared.

Find a school who have several instructors and several helicopters, so that your training isn't interupted when maintenance / availability is compromised. Above all find an instructor you like and feel comfortable with.

Very best of luck but don't expect to be easy.

CH

[initalcontact]

Hi Forum

I am looking to compile a definitive list of all the helicopter flight schools in the UK.

Could you point me to any websites that could help me with this please, or indeed add their names, county and country to this thread please.

Thanks for any help :ok:

[Bravo73]

The CAA already produce a list of 'Organisations Conducting CAA and JAR-FCL Approved Courses of Flight and Ground Training':

Standards Document 31 Version 106: Organisations Conducting CAA and JAR-FCL Approved Courses of Flight and Ground Training - Interim Document | Publications | About the CAA (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=2854)

For rotary providers, you will need Part 1 & Part 4. This document, however, does not include those organisations that only provide PPL(H) training.

[alicopter]

Virage Helicopter Academy (http://www.virage-heli.co.uk/index.html)

Very friendly, dynamic. Recommended by... me

[initalcontact]

Thank you Bravo73

There are quite a few flight schools only offering the PPL though isn't there?

Any suggestions where I might find those?

[MartinCh]

Not sure about UK CAA, but another Authority website I looked at, had separate lists for FTO and Registered Facilities (RF).

Why not just get in touch with few of the nearby schools, if you want to start training?

[Bravo73]

Any suggestions where I might find those?

http://bit.ly/IhyYxy (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=uk+ppl%28h%29+flight+schools)

;)