I Go For A Type

[spaceman1000]

AT the end, I have decided to be type rated on the A320.
I pay myself my training. The industry didnt give me the choice.

I will talk you later from FL350.

[Captain Ratpup]

Ahem, nobody cares spaceman.

[Cap Loko]

Hell freezes over!
Good luck spaceman, and please tell us about your experiences.

cheers

[BigGrecian]

it is called BRITISH MADNESS (BM), ...

Spaceman1000 I'm interested to see a slight change in your attitude towards aviation. Regardless of whether paying for a type rating is a good or a bad thing - at least your trying to do something finally rather than moaning on PPrune.

Best of luck anyway - I'm sure you'll let us all know how it goes etc... - Perhaps a TR Diary?

[Global TM]

It is of no wonder that "I pay myself my training",
"The industry didnt give me the choice"because being illittttrrrate the industry most certainly cannot afford to give you a choice.
Pay to have no say, especially from FL350

[Aerowinx]

Hi Spaceman!
Just a question: Which company employs you without hours on type? I mean the Idea sounds good to me if a job is for sure!
All the Best...

Aerowinx

[RVR800]

Spaceman; excellent news, things are clearly improving I wish you all the best, Im sure that there will be many interested chief pilots reading this thread now wanting to PM you with job offers!

Thanks for keeping us advised on your personal struggle to achieve success in this industry against all the odds. We look on in admiration and respect. Well done indeed.

:cool:

[FougaMagister]

RVR800, nice one! You get the "PPRuNe tongue in cheek" award! :ok:

Cheers :cool:

[spaceman1000]

thank you for your "good luck".
For the one who has chosen to wait, it is free to him.
I have found the money so I go for it. Certainly I would prefer that a company forks the money for me, but it is not going to happen, specially in a low cost airline. You can still wait for british airways, Airfrance,....But I do not believe these airlines will pay a pilot with no jet experience.I could be wrong,...But I see what I see.There are no job for non type rated pilot, or only a few jobs.

as fo the problem of 500h jet.I do not care. If they do not want me, that is fine. I have decided to fly for the best company who give a chance to motivated pilots, not the one who says" we need 500h jet, and 3000 h TT, and this and that...."These companies have certainly no openings.
as for the BS coming for Ryanair and Easy who tell you they do not hire type rated guys, yes, maybe today, but what tomorrow?



I will keep you in touch.

[FLYbyWIT]

"I will keep you in touch."
O please do and try and keep in touch with reality whilst you go about whatever the hell you decide, Ya Fruitcake.:}

[piper pervert]

This has to be a different spaceman surely? U only sound fairly downhearted and negative compared to your usual "the world hates me" esque rants against humanity!

Good luck and if u do take some positives out of your course rather than "i spent xxxxx euros on a tr and still nobody likes me" then pls do share them with us!:ok:

[spaceman1000]

if I do not find a job after being type rated, you will see me at the CAA grading your ATPL exams.:}

[pedroe]

Hi guys,

Same story, 31, quit job, sold house, etc
Came to USA to get FAA and build some time as FI, I was lucky and now I have around 850, SE and ME.

Time to go back to Europe and I'd like to now how many pilots who decide to pay Type rating actually find a job, 100%, 50%,??

Could anybpdy tell me if it really worth it? Pay some much money and get hired? Or is just another marketing technique to make us pay and pay untill extenuation.

thanks in advance

[Cap Loko]

@ pedroe,

That's the big unanswered question here on pprune. I would be interested in those numbers too. You read/hear so many different stories. Seems to work though in many cases.

cheers

[510orbust]

my question is why are these low houred guys not becoming flight instructors and building time that way, much cheaper then a 320 rating, and you get command even if its single and light twin time..

[yorky drifter]

I spoke to a chief pilot of a major uk charter co last week about the various routes in.I mentioned instructing and he reckoned someone with 1000 hrs on cessnas/pipers etc isn't really any better prepared for an airline job than a circa 250/300 hr pup.

From their point of view if they get 2 applicants one with lots of hours and one with low hours,both with no relevant type rating (and all other things being equal) then the low houred guy is preferred as he will be on a lesser wage (until 1500hrs) therefore cheaper for the company.Less likely that a young pup will be set in his/her own bad habits also.

I was quite suprised by his reply but has made me reconsider the FI route!

Yorks

[spaceman1000]

yorky drifet,
ur right,
what would you take if you were an employer: the guy with 2000 hour on c152 or the guy with 400h TT and 60 hours A320 and type rating. (the guy with 2000h is more mature, more experienced,...)

what guy will cost more to train????I let you guess!
answer :it is all about MONEY!!!!

actually there are not so many jobs, I hope it will be better in a few months, (few years), look at the # of airbus sold,Look at china, eastern countries, ...

THe futur sounds bright, the futur sound _____ (fill with what you want!!!)

[Sandshrew]

Spaceman, you surely have changed your opinion..
Where have you decided to do your rating?

[redflyer]

I've just gota job with BACX. They have paid for my type rating and bonded me for 2 years. Before I was offered the job I did gliding towing for 9 months, unpaid, and instructing for a year on really poor money.

I didn't get all my ATPL exams first time. I didn't get my IR first time.

I'm new to pprune. However I've seen alot of threads on the best way to get a job. Should it be modular, should it be integrated.

In my PERSONAL opinion, paying for your own type ratings is crazy. I don't have a degree in stating the obvious but I'm pretty sure I would get a first.

It's taken me a long hard slog to get this job and It was a year before I heard anything form the date I filled out the online application form.

Best of luck to all who are looking for jobs at the moment.

[Craggenmore]

yorky drifter

Ho Ho Ho..!

I know of at least 6 UK airlines that have taken on Instructors in the past 9 months.

Here's a clue.........Why do you think that BMI Regional and BACX raised the bar to 500 hours minimum TT last month. See redflyer's response to answer that.

That Chief Pilot whom you spoke to told you those things then. Ask him again in 4 months and he will say something completely different

[spaceman1000]

Yes I have changed my mind, when you do not fly and do not find any flying jobs for months, what are your chance: nil !

Any airline will charge you for the training, or take some money from your paycheck for a full refund .So people who say they did not pay for their training, are in fact paying during the next 5 years.

As I am too old to compete with a 23 years old boy, I have been "forced" to finance myself for a type rating.

Sorry, I can not mention on this forum the name of the TRTO.

[BigGrecian]

Sorry, I can not mention on this forum the name of the TRTO.

Didn't know TRTOs had the power to suppress freedom of speech.
Or is it so you don't get identified spaceman and then when your potential employer finds out what your really like on PPrune?

[redflyer]

I posted my reply hoping that some guys and girls, like myself, would see my post and hopefully realise that you you don't need to be perfect to get the job you always wanted.

Spaceman. You're enough to put anyone off wanting to get in this industry.

Any new starter who reads this, there is no perfect pilot that companys look for. You'll read threads about what to wear in interview. Just use your common sense.

I've said before that i've only just got my first job. I 've recently done some jump seat rides and there are a number of guys who are off to mainline BA. Not because the company is bad, but it is a natural progression.

I never wrote on this website until now. I started to feel strongly about people who have posted on this site and give it all the doom and gloom.

To all those who are willing to listen. Good things come to those who wait.

[spaceman1000]

Or is it so you don't get identified spaceman and then when your potential employer finds out what your really like on PPrune?


Bingo! right in the nose:p

Why should I make free advertising for an TRTO?

[bumpfich]

Congratulations on your first job! Its good to know that you don't have to be perfect (first time passes in everything) to get that perfect job. Just to clarify: did you do an integrated or modular course?

As your located in bucks: did you do the tugging at Booker? PM me if you can answer some of my "tugging" questions.

Cheers!

[flufdriver]

Gentlemen (and Ladies)

I am actually approaching the other end of a flying career, but let me say this;

having been in the position of selecting and hiring Pilots from a mountain of resume's there emerges one constant practice and that is the comparing of applicants on what is essentially a point system.

Every employer will look for the Pilot that will give him the best service for the least amount of money and heartache. Most of the chief pilots and training managers will look for people with the right attitude, then comes general intelligence, relevant experience, health and on and on.

There is no one magic formula!

I've hired Pilots that were super sharp and some that needed to go to evening school during probation to catch up. I've hired some that were extremely opinionated and some that wanted to agree with everything that came out of my mouth.

The overriding requirement was that an individual would be able to convince me that s/he would give it his best to be successful, so that I did not waste my precious training resources on someone that was not willing to meet me halfway.

When I landed my first airline job (right seat on a BAC1-11 back in 79), I had been trying for 4 years, so you know I have experienced that side of the game as well.

Don't drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what "they" want from you, you know the basic requirements, most employers will publish them, but look beyond the hours and look at yourself as a person standing in front of the guy you hope will hire you and hope that you are in the right place at the right time!

Good luck to all of you!

[tschierv]

Gentleman,

Just starting my first flying job (completed integrated ab-initio fATPL in 2003, 184 hours today with 15 ME) but having spent almost 10 years in the industry, let me explain you my point of few:

It might be your dream to fly an A320 which you can fulfil by paying. The day will come, when you have to stop paying and guess what, the next guy on the list will pay. You are out of the job! Assuming you bought your way to the RHS, do you see a lot of fun, when every pax behind you paid less for that trip than you and you can’t even collect miles!!! What are you going to do, if your company changes equipment to a 737, you pay again? It might also be your dream to be Capt. on this A/C, are you going to pay again for some hours as CM1?
By spending all that money, you will never brake even and you guys have no idea what it means to increase your debts daily, more and more until your bank stops this deadly process. Not exactly a bright prospect!

The worst of all, you are not only bringing yourself into great distress, but all others working in this industry as well. Thanks!

Spaceman, sorry to say that:

"Who they would hire: me with a type rating or you with no type rating?"

In my case, they took me, so think about it!

You only have to be patient. You will find a job with correct conditions sooner or later.
Lots of luck to you all!

[spaceman1000]

I am actually approaching the other end of a flying career



Me too! :p I start at 20, and I will finish at 65, with 1 year experience...(experience in my old flight school)

[redflyer]

I'm not sure what the last 2 about were about.

Any offers on translation.

flufdriver has a point and i've heard it from alot of guys who are in the know.

[spaceman1000]

Tried now for 4 years after the worldtrade center went down, and before this, tried for 3 other years.
with the oil price going up everyday (60$ today???), it is sounds like we have to fill the gap between what airlines want, and what the CAA want.

And most of us have miscalculated how much it will cost to us, much more than the minimum requirement for the JAA.

As I have said before It is all about $. the petrol goes down, and everybody is happy, customers buy plane, and they start to hire pilots, then train pilots and maybe buy us the type rating .Or the oil increase, and airlines pack their planes as much as possible with "meat" and ask us to pay our type rating.

I think go for it if you have some money left, I can still buy a mercedes instead but view the price of the gaz, no thanks!