Dan Fly 737

[merpilot]

I heard that nearly all of the students from Dan Fly failed the check ride and some of them the second as well? Anyone that knows anything about that training?

[Sandshrew]

I heard from a Danfly student that it was 2 people.

[Fokkerdriver]

Hm....I just want to know if any of them are getting jobs afterwards :}

[Hårek den Hardbalne]

There will always be type rating students failing a skill test. Also those going through the Dan Fly course. What you should know is that the course offered by Dan Fly is a relatively short course:

Without MCC:
8 hrs Cockpit System Simulator
34 hrs Full Flight Simulator (including 2 hrs skill test)

With MCC:
44 hrs Full Flight Simulator

In general I am of the opinion (others are not I guess) that you need a certain level of experience as a pilot to attend a course like this, and, during the course, be able to reach a level of proficiency required of a B737 pilot. I have said something about this on another thread here on pprune: http://pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=169673&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

[Fokkerdriver]

Right you are Hårek!!

I went to an info-meeting at Dan-Fly and I think there were primarily low-timers there and I'm sure quite a few of them haven't been flying for quite some time.

But I guess that's the kind of people that's attending the courses at the moment. They finish flightschool, stay at home looking for jobs for maybe a year or so, gets desperate and finally succombs and buys a rating.

It's sad really....but then it must be a hairy experience going through a type-rating course like this. :sad:

[Hårek den Hardbalne]

Fokkerdriver,

Pilots going straight from their ab-initio training to a B737 type rating course can, and many do, perform well throughout the course and finish it off with a satisfactory skill test.

Pilots with adequate experience, whom you would expect to perform well, can have problems with a course like this.

What I am trying to say is that it is very individual how a pilot performs during a type rating course. The combination of flying skills (in all its aspects), attitude towards the task at hand plus his/her motivation (which you would think is 110% for a selfsponsored individual) will determine (to a certain extend) the result of the course.

The "hairy experience", as you put it, is to understand that by going for, and becoming a pilot on a medium to heavy size jet, requires that you understand that to occupy the "office" in the front end of a 60+ tons airliner you have to be a cockpit professional. Lowtimer or experienced...........as long as you have the right attitude with a focus on the goal ahead you should be ok.

[Fokkerdriver]

Hello Hårek!!

I hear ye!! I agree with you to some extent. I would prefer a lowtimer straight out of flightschool over somebody who has been doing bushflying or whatever anytime. But you have to agree that if you finished flightschool with 250 hrs and you go without flying for one or two years before deciding to take drastic measures and buy a type-rating. It will without doubt take one or two lessons to get the feel for it again. That is indeed a lot out of....I don't know....10 or 15 lessons.

But you are right!! I have seen lowtimers do a lot better than experienced pilots. But in the end I think it all comes down to how your MCC is.

Just my humble opinion on a beautifull sunny sunday afternoon.

[Hårek den Hardbalne]

But you have to agree that if you finished flightschool with 250 hrs and you go without flying for one or two years before deciding to take drastic measures and buy a type-rating
On a sunny Sunday afternoon; I agree :O

Since the name of this thread is Dan Fly 737 I would like to know why this school has opted for a short course like they have, instead of giving their students, low-time or not, a fair oportunity to develop their 737 skills over, say 12 sessions rather than 8-9.

Shall I gamble on an answer? I have no idea why, but could it be that it is easier to attract students with a course price lower than the competition. I do not know what they charge for a course, but it must be less than a school with a 12 session program :confused: For sake of argument and based on the assumption that most pilots will gain from a longer rather than a short course; Could it be that they are going for quantity versus the competition?

[Fokkerdriver]

Money is always an issue isn't it!!! :rolleyes:

What I would really like to know is if any of the students went of and got jobs afterwards. Dan Fly seemed to have some good connections to several airlines. But....one never knows in this industry.

[Bengt Engel]

It's all 'bout the money.....

It's all 'bout the dum dum.......

dididumdididum....

[An2]

Mr BE,

Are you drunk man?!:suspect: :E

[Hotel Charlie]

Fokkerdriver wrote:
I would prefer a lowtimer straight out of flightschool over somebody who has been doing bushflying or whatever anytime.
What is that all about??

[Bengt Engel]

As a matter of fact I was. just trying to stir things up a bit in this otherwise a bit dull part of the forum....:E

back to topic;

straight outa school or been in the bush?

some people get the hang of it right away, some dont. thats the way of the game.

[Hårek den Hardbalne]

Bengan (I guess that is Swedish for Bengt?),

You`re being a bit "deep" in your comment. To the point where were you could lose An2 and myself in the way you explain things;) Care to do it again using some other words, or perhaps a somewhat longer sentence.

BTW, have`nt seen you over at the CF for a while.

[Bengt Engel]

hey you Hårek!

you can call me Bengan any day mate....! and dont go making comments about other forums....who knows what the big dragon might wish upon you...:}

My point was simply that it doesnt matter what your experience is when you start the type. Guys from school will out perform guys who have been around AND vice versa....

so what I'm trying to say is that regardless of time around...some people get it, some dont.

BE.

[An2]

OK! I'm in the clear now! :8
How about you Hårek? :=

About CF,....Knoldster is arranging this photo-contest, where the person with the weirdest photo of himself/herself/anybody(?) will win.
Soooo,....I've got the camera-gear to capture raving moments. Anybody feel like modelling?:E
Come on you handsome pilot studs! :}

[Bengt Engel]

I despise everyone with a digital camera in my surroundings.....to many pictures around already....maybe cause I'm to good looking...:} :E

[Pointer]

Hey Fokkerdriver, are you ex-newair?

any ex-newair guys on this? was wondering how everybody is doing, jobs etc... have contact with a few guy's

Greetings,

Pointer :E

[Empty Cruise]

Just attended a similar 73' TR: 4 sessions fixed-based & 8 sessions full-flight. The majority of the students with this TRTO are low-timers, but they have the option to add a 5-session Jet Orientation Course before commencing the TR. The majority of students opt for this - and they've had 1 (!) guy fail the skill test in the last 1,5 yrs.

Mind you - a UK skill test, but still... :E

So it can be done - did the TR with a 280 hr., 36 yr old guy in the RH seat who had finished his training almost 1 yr ago - and he passed to a good standard. He had taken the JOC - and was happy with that decision.

Maybe an idea for the b&gs in EKSP?

Cheers,
Empty

PS - Pointer. did the course with ex-NewAir F/O, she's hopes she's got a foot in the door with Helios on 733 & 738 :)

[Yeager]

Funny. I used to think that AB-initio vs expericed pilots was not an issue as such. Myself Im out of an AB-initio school, but before joining an "BIG" airline, I spend time in GA. Most of my, mates, went straight into the "BIG" airline, after AB-initio, and they are all doing jsut fine - from what I se. Some of them are commanders with this "BIG" airline now and did not have big problems obtaining that.

That being said. I do belive that a bit of experince from the challenging field of general aviation will make your attitude towards the operation a bit more balancing. Here I think of stuff like, general reasoning and mind set. If u have been down the road of eg "bush flying" you are likely to have been pushed to the extreems. In my 10 years of flying (which is not a lot, I know!) of which 7 are with major Airlines (2), I can not remember (prob due to Vino etc :ok: ) that Ive been out to the extreems with the "BIG" ones, but in contrast have been with the "bush flying" part of it.

Conclusion. A good AB-initio education is worth the money - and like someone said - attitude will get u there - but a bit of humble "bush flying" might just be what you need the day the **** hits the fan..

Anyways, you guys enjoy your life.
C

[Fokkerdriver]

Hello Pointer!!


Yes, sort of ex-NewAir. I got my rating through them and was supposed to start flying for them as an F/O. Unfortunately things then took a turn for the worse and I never got a starting date.

Now I am with Denim Air...I think quite a few guys went to VLM.

[Hårek den Hardbalne]

So, all you Swedes who should be close(r) to the happenings than most of us; what is the story about DanFly and their students. Did they have a high failure rate at some point, or is that just a rumour? How many students have signed up and gone through the DanFly course? And, and, and.

[P+P]

I ran into a couple of pilots the othe day who told me that DanFly and its Chief Flight Instructor for the B737 program had departed their working relationship. According to these guys, students already enrolled in a B737 type rating course with DanFly will be able to continue and finish it in Amsterdam (?).

They had some info on what happend all of a sudden, but could not give any facts. Consequently, I can not/willo not go into any guesswork around this.

But sad for the students it is, whatever happend:(