Icao Ppl - Jaa

[likair]

Hello

Is an ICAO PPL (FAA) appropriate to start JAA ATPL exams and continue with JAA CPL ME/IR?

I've read it does not matter whether you go for a JAA-PPL or FAA-PPL as the further training will add on it...

Am i right?

Where can I find it? LASORS? CAA? JAA?

Any information??

Reagrds
L|kA|r

[BEagle]

Yes, it's all in LASORS. Thus, for the Modular CPL:

The holder of a PPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO
Annex 1, with at least 150 hours flight time as a pilot,
may commence an approved JAR CPL(A) Modular
Course consisting of 25 hours dual flight instruction
including 10 hours of instrument instruction (up to 5
hours may be instrument ground time in a FNPT I or II
or a flight simulator). At least 5 hours of the flight
instruction shall be carried out in a complex aeroplane
(certificated for the carriage of at least four persons and
have a variable pitch propeller and retractable landing
gear).

But do remember also that:

Potential candidates for the JAR-FCL CPL(A) should
first consider the implications of JAR-FCL 1.495 that
relates to the Acceptance Period.
A pass in the theoretical knowledge examinations given
in accordance with JAR-FCL 1.490 will be accepted for
the grant of the CPL(A) or IR(A) during the 36 months
from the date of gaining a pass in all the required
examination papers. Provided that an IR(A) is obtained
in accordance with the above, a pass in the ATPL(A)
theoretical knowledge examinations will remain valid
for a period of 7 years from the last validity date of the
IR(A) entered in the CPL(A) for the issuance of an
ATPL(A).

[likair]

Hello again

So if I'm understanding right, one can proceed to JAA ATPL theory exams and up to CPL ME/IR as long as you have 150 hours ICAO PPL and 25 hours dual flight instruction
including 10 hours of instrument instruction for Modular CPL.

:confused:

Anyone did an ICAO PPL before doing JAA ATPL exams and CPL ME/IR?

Thanks for your attention...

[GusHoneybun]

It seems that you have misread our esteemed colleague BEagles post. Allow me to try an clarify.


First you need to complete the ATPL theory exams. This can be completed either by distance learning or by full time classwork. The theory consist of 14 exams, each with a multiple choice exam and a minimum pass mark of 75%. A full time course will take about 8-9 months, and distance learning will be dependent on your own study speed. Look to set aside about £3000 for this. Apparently there are no pre course requirements, but I think most people are expected to hold a PPL.

Once you have completed all the exams, you can begin the CPL side of training. What was quoted above is the pre course requirements to begin CPL training. That is 150 hours total time and a valid ICAO PPL (which an FAA PPL is). The CPL course is a minimum of 25 hours dual instruction.
However, for the CPL to be issued by the CAA, you must have
a) 200 hours Total Time
b) 100 hours Pilot in Command
c) Completed the training required for a night qualification
d) A 300 nm cross country with 2 intermediate stops.
e) 10 hours of instrument flying time.
Look to spend anywhere from £5000 upwards for a CPL course + test.

For the multi engine rating to be issued, you need to have
a) Completed a course at a registered FTO. This course included 3.5 hours asymmetric flight and 2.5 hours under normal two engine ops.
b) Passed the theory exam
c) Passed a skills test with an examiner.
d) Minimum of 70 hours Pilot in command.
Look to spend the best part of £2000 for this course.

Finally, before you can begin the IR, you must have either a PPL + night qual or a CPL. Also, there is also a pre requirement of 50 hours cross country time.
The course consists of 55 hours instruction (50 hours if a CPL is held) before sitting the ME/IR skills test. Budget for at least £12000 for the course and test.


Now, the order in which you do these courses is up to you. Some people do the ME rating and IR before starting their CPL. Others have completed the CPL first, then attempted the other ratings. The decision depends on your situation.

However, what would be a logical path for yourself would be;
Enrol on a ATPL theory course.
Hour build up to 150 hours whislt studying.
Pass all the theory exams
Start and successfully complete the CPL course
Do the Multi Engine rating
Then, prepare for 5 weeks of ballache whilst you complete the IR.
After this you will have well over the 200 hours required for CPL issue.


Finally, take all you pass certificates, logbook, licence, medical, large chequebook and your mum for moral support and head down the Gatwick to get your shiny blue licence.

PpRune is a fantastic resource for researching modular training. I would recommend that you familiarise yourself with the search function as this will yield much more info.

[likair]

hello

How long does the ICAO PPL (FAA) done in the US, is active ?

I mean if embarking for a DL JAA ATPL theory exams you need more than 12 months to do them, that means without flying...

Any comments?

Regards