SPLIT-FFMTCC
25th May 2005, 09:12
Hi All,
Just new to this website after finding it via the links page on the FTE website. Unfortunately 90,000 Euros will not be going into their coffers for a 250 hour course.
Reason for this post is that I don't hate my current job, I just want to do one that I prefer, no desks, middle aged female office managers on power trips, etc. Basically I don't want to run into any more David Brents or the 9-5 culture/environment.
So I'm the process of selling my house, the proceeds will pay for a course to get me up to ATPL or ATP standard. I've already flown a couple of times to make sure its for me, and by God, it is.
Reason for my post is that I heard of a internship program issued by Angel City Flyers. It appears that its part UK based and then US based. I'd be interested to know if anyone can shed any light on the company, its practices, its aircraft, etc. I would be grateful.
I've done a search and found out some details from people who have done scheme in the past, all very useful but wouldn't mind some up to date info.
The course costs 29,500 GBP, is this value for money based upon a salary of around $18 average an hour of instuction? I figure thats everything from 300 hours approx to the 1,500 that they guarantee. I got qoutes from FTE, Oxford, Stapleford, etc. and it seems to be 50 grand approx standard.
Also the first eight months of accommodation is paid for, this must be worth around 2/3 grand minimum? Its certainly what I pay in London.
How do the airlines look upon CFI, CFII and MEI candidates?
Any advice anyone can give is appreciated.
George
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NB Not sure if I'm allowed to post the details of the website on here, but here is the content I copied from the website.
2005 Internship Program
This program is aimed at taking the candidate from zero hours flight time to over 1500 hours total time to include:-
FAA ATP
JAR frozen ATPL
FAA Flight Instructor with single engine, multi engine and instrument instructor ratings.
If you are interested, then please send a covering letter and C.V. F.A.O:-
Mr Paul Fowler
Angel City Flyers Ltd.
Enstone Airfield
Church Enstone
OXON,OX7 4NP
Interviews will be conducted during the first week of July.
Internship Structure
The Training start date is Monday, August 15th, 2005
Start Date Duration Qualifications
Aug 2005
6 weeks
Private Pilot Certificate
Oct 2005
14 weeks
FAA CPL and IR (ME & SE)
Jan 2006
6 weeks
FAA CFI, CFII, MEI
March 2006
78 weeks
Internship to FAA ATP
Sept 2007
6 weeks
ICAO to JAR CPL/ME/IR
The above times are considered ‘conservative estimates’ by Angel City Flyers. It is our experience the average completion time is 80% of that detailed above.
Price £29,500
Included
Not Included
All aircraft rental1
Accommodation after the first eight months
Flight and Ground Instruction2
Aviation Medicals
All FAA test fees
US Visa processing fee (approx £115)
JAR ATPL Groundschool Course3
Flights to and from the United States
FAA to JAR CPL & IR conversion4
JAA professional examination & licensing fees
Eight Months Accommodation
General Living Expenses
Appropriate VAT and local taxes
Personal Flying Equipment
Instructor Uniform6
Personal Flying Equipment
Training books and materials
TSA fee (approx. $160)
See notes at the end*
Remuneration
While the intern is engaged in instruction, they will be remunerated on the following basis, paid per billable hour*.
Intern Experience Level (total flight time)
Hourly rate
Up to 800 hours total time
$15.00
800 to 1200 hours total time
$18.00
1200 to 1500 hours total time
$22.00
Billable hour is when Angel City Flyers Inc. invoices their client for the period of instruction in question
Payment Plan
On acceptance to the internship program, an initial non refundable deposit of £1,000 will be payable to Angel City Flyers Inc., Los Angeles.
After acceptance onto the course,and one week prior to arriving into the United States £28,500 GBP will be paid through a UK based ‘Escrow’ type account. This ‘dual signature’ account will provide peace of mind to both parties.
The schedule of payments into the ‘Escrow’ account will be as follows:-
Monies will be transferred from the Escrow account to Angel City Flyers by dual signature. The rate of transfer will be as follows:-
Schedule
Amount £ Total
On arrival in United States
£2000 £2000
15 hrs
£2000 £4000
30 hrs
£2000 £6000
40 hrs
£2000 £8000
50 hrs
£2000 £10,000
75 hrs
£2000 £12,000
100 hrs
£2000 £14,000
Instrument Rating
£2000 £16,000
Multi Engine Rating
£2000 £18,000
200 hrs
£2000 £20,000
CPL/Multi/SE/IR
£4000 £24,000
MEI
£2400 £26,400
SE FI add on
£1500 £27,900
Instrument FI add on
£500 £28,500
FAQs
Am I tied into staying for the duration of the Internship ?
No. For example, if you find yourself in a position to get employment as a commercial pilot during the duration of the course, you may terminate your internship early. We will pay a pro-rata cost towards your JAR conversion based on the greater of the following.
1. Hours of flight instruction as a fraction of the total expected in the internship (1200 hours)
2. Duration of your time as a flight instructor against the expected duration for the internship (18 months)
The monetary value of the conversion will be based on:-
JAR ATPL distance learning at Bristol Ground School
CPL Five hours training and testing in a single engine complex aircraft.
170A Test Fee
IR 10 hours training in a FNPT 2. Seven and a half hours training and testing in a multi-engine piston aircraft , 170A Test Fee.
These figures include VAT.
The flight training will be based on the applicable rates of Tayflite Ltd, a JAR approved Flight Training Organization operating from Perth Airport, Perthshire, United Kingdom.
The flight training portion of the conversion may be taken at any JAR approved FTO and the payment by Angel City Flyers will be the monetary equivalent of that paid to Tayflite Ltd based on the above. The intern will be responsible for any balance.
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Angel City Flyers reserve the right to terminate the internship at any time and consequently will pay for the remaining portion of the conversion to JAR CPL/Multi/IR as detailed above.
Just new to this website after finding it via the links page on the FTE website. Unfortunately 90,000 Euros will not be going into their coffers for a 250 hour course.
Reason for this post is that I don't hate my current job, I just want to do one that I prefer, no desks, middle aged female office managers on power trips, etc. Basically I don't want to run into any more David Brents or the 9-5 culture/environment.
So I'm the process of selling my house, the proceeds will pay for a course to get me up to ATPL or ATP standard. I've already flown a couple of times to make sure its for me, and by God, it is.
Reason for my post is that I heard of a internship program issued by Angel City Flyers. It appears that its part UK based and then US based. I'd be interested to know if anyone can shed any light on the company, its practices, its aircraft, etc. I would be grateful.
I've done a search and found out some details from people who have done scheme in the past, all very useful but wouldn't mind some up to date info.
The course costs 29,500 GBP, is this value for money based upon a salary of around $18 average an hour of instuction? I figure thats everything from 300 hours approx to the 1,500 that they guarantee. I got qoutes from FTE, Oxford, Stapleford, etc. and it seems to be 50 grand approx standard.
Also the first eight months of accommodation is paid for, this must be worth around 2/3 grand minimum? Its certainly what I pay in London.
How do the airlines look upon CFI, CFII and MEI candidates?
Any advice anyone can give is appreciated.
George
============================================
NB Not sure if I'm allowed to post the details of the website on here, but here is the content I copied from the website.
2005 Internship Program
This program is aimed at taking the candidate from zero hours flight time to over 1500 hours total time to include:-
FAA ATP
JAR frozen ATPL
FAA Flight Instructor with single engine, multi engine and instrument instructor ratings.
If you are interested, then please send a covering letter and C.V. F.A.O:-
Mr Paul Fowler
Angel City Flyers Ltd.
Enstone Airfield
Church Enstone
OXON,OX7 4NP
Interviews will be conducted during the first week of July.
Internship Structure
The Training start date is Monday, August 15th, 2005
Start Date Duration Qualifications
Aug 2005
6 weeks
Private Pilot Certificate
Oct 2005
14 weeks
FAA CPL and IR (ME & SE)
Jan 2006
6 weeks
FAA CFI, CFII, MEI
March 2006
78 weeks
Internship to FAA ATP
Sept 2007
6 weeks
ICAO to JAR CPL/ME/IR
The above times are considered ‘conservative estimates’ by Angel City Flyers. It is our experience the average completion time is 80% of that detailed above.
Price £29,500
Included
Not Included
All aircraft rental1
Accommodation after the first eight months
Flight and Ground Instruction2
Aviation Medicals
All FAA test fees
US Visa processing fee (approx £115)
JAR ATPL Groundschool Course3
Flights to and from the United States
FAA to JAR CPL & IR conversion4
JAA professional examination & licensing fees
Eight Months Accommodation
General Living Expenses
Appropriate VAT and local taxes
Personal Flying Equipment
Instructor Uniform6
Personal Flying Equipment
Training books and materials
TSA fee (approx. $160)
See notes at the end*
Remuneration
While the intern is engaged in instruction, they will be remunerated on the following basis, paid per billable hour*.
Intern Experience Level (total flight time)
Hourly rate
Up to 800 hours total time
$15.00
800 to 1200 hours total time
$18.00
1200 to 1500 hours total time
$22.00
Billable hour is when Angel City Flyers Inc. invoices their client for the period of instruction in question
Payment Plan
On acceptance to the internship program, an initial non refundable deposit of £1,000 will be payable to Angel City Flyers Inc., Los Angeles.
After acceptance onto the course,and one week prior to arriving into the United States £28,500 GBP will be paid through a UK based ‘Escrow’ type account. This ‘dual signature’ account will provide peace of mind to both parties.
The schedule of payments into the ‘Escrow’ account will be as follows:-
Monies will be transferred from the Escrow account to Angel City Flyers by dual signature. The rate of transfer will be as follows:-
Schedule
Amount £ Total
On arrival in United States
£2000 £2000
15 hrs
£2000 £4000
30 hrs
£2000 £6000
40 hrs
£2000 £8000
50 hrs
£2000 £10,000
75 hrs
£2000 £12,000
100 hrs
£2000 £14,000
Instrument Rating
£2000 £16,000
Multi Engine Rating
£2000 £18,000
200 hrs
£2000 £20,000
CPL/Multi/SE/IR
£4000 £24,000
MEI
£2400 £26,400
SE FI add on
£1500 £27,900
Instrument FI add on
£500 £28,500
FAQs
Am I tied into staying for the duration of the Internship ?
No. For example, if you find yourself in a position to get employment as a commercial pilot during the duration of the course, you may terminate your internship early. We will pay a pro-rata cost towards your JAR conversion based on the greater of the following.
1. Hours of flight instruction as a fraction of the total expected in the internship (1200 hours)
2. Duration of your time as a flight instructor against the expected duration for the internship (18 months)
The monetary value of the conversion will be based on:-
JAR ATPL distance learning at Bristol Ground School
CPL Five hours training and testing in a single engine complex aircraft.
170A Test Fee
IR 10 hours training in a FNPT 2. Seven and a half hours training and testing in a multi-engine piston aircraft , 170A Test Fee.
These figures include VAT.
The flight training will be based on the applicable rates of Tayflite Ltd, a JAR approved Flight Training Organization operating from Perth Airport, Perthshire, United Kingdom.
The flight training portion of the conversion may be taken at any JAR approved FTO and the payment by Angel City Flyers will be the monetary equivalent of that paid to Tayflite Ltd based on the above. The intern will be responsible for any balance.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Angel City Flyers reserve the right to terminate the internship at any time and consequently will pay for the remaining portion of the conversion to JAR CPL/Multi/IR as detailed above.