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colmac747
23rd May 2005, 16:43
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4572219.stm

Blame everyone but themselves...that's right..societies fault.
Shouldn't have dropped their knickers in the first place, i say!

Jerricho
23rd May 2005, 16:46
blamed schools for providing poor quality sex education.

And that is the crux for so may problems these days. Not my responsibility. Unbelievable.

Omaha
23rd May 2005, 16:54
It takes two to tango mate, surely the babies fathers who are no doubt not taking any responsibilty in this have to answer to.

Too many men like their little bit of nooky, then they leave the woman carrying the can for nine months & the cost & responsibilty of rearing the children. It's far too easy for men to walk away. I don't agree with children having children but it's important to look at this issue from all angles particularly men who act like children when it comes to taking responsibilty for their actions & bit of fun on the side.

Jerricho
23rd May 2005, 16:56
Omaha.......that is a quote from the girl's mother.

colmac747
23rd May 2005, 16:58
Folks who can't have kids coz of health problems, must be spewing...

It's not the system that's failed them, it's their mother.

airship
23rd May 2005, 17:00
This photo portrays 3 girls, all underage, all mothers. They're 12, 14 and 16 years old:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41175000/jpg/_41175703_babies_girls203.jpg

Bet you'd never be able to tell how old they were from the photo though?!

If I was a God-fearing man, and out of many reading this thread someone was to say something like, there but by the grace of God go I...I would have to add "Amen!" :confused:

Kestrel_909
23rd May 2005, 18:04
Surely your elder sister getting pregnant at 15/16 would lead to you receiving education from your mother? Or is that too simple?

joe2812
23rd May 2005, 18:07
No sympathy...

Worst bit is, the kids (the baby-kids, not the mother-kids) have about as little chance of a successful future.

Sorry if people think i'm stereotyping a bit too much here but can anyone else just see the chain of events which will lead to each of the three babies having kids early, developing habits and living on the dole? When your mum is only 12 years older than you, what hope is there?!

ShyTorque
23rd May 2005, 18:11
They now apparently have a right to a bigger house.

At the taxpayer's expense, including the ones who scrimp and save to buy their own house and get married in order to bring up a family.

This is what p!$$e$ me off most about this country. The benefit system was introduced in good faith so that the rich gave something to the poor. Now it's more like "Take from the poor to give to the idiots". :rolleyes:

joe2812
23rd May 2005, 18:17
ShyTorque - Well said, a point I forgot to mention and one which you nailed.

I remember reading about a family (well, a mother) who has numerous (8 or 9 I think) babies/children living with her. She is unemployed, single parent and registered as being 'unable to work through disability'.

Her benefits annually amount to more than my mother's salary. Explain that to someone who (like most of you) works 5 days a week, 9 - 5, sometimes more.

Childen are becoming an easy option... you can see the slogans now; "Can't get a job? Have a baby! Guarenteed annual income, minimum fuss"

Disgusting...and what makes it worse is that the blatant exploitation of the system seems to be going unchecked and unpunished.

Standard Noise
23rd May 2005, 18:56
Daftest bit is, according to one report, one of these dirty little millies had at least one abortion before she had her baby. Then has the cheek to complain about not being taught the facts of life !! Hang'em all, I say.:mad: :mad:

Hoping
23rd May 2005, 19:07
What a trio of wasters! But as some of you may guess, to hang them is not my recomendation!

Ozzy
23rd May 2005, 19:10
The benefit system should provide enough money such that people cannot survive on it as an incentive to get out and get a job and to start supporting themselves. The fact that a recipient's benefits are more than a working person's salary is beyond belief - something has gone dreadfully wrong.

Ozzy

Jerricho
23rd May 2005, 19:26
Not having children myself, I know I am no position to preach, however I'll recount an experience which had me shaking my head.

Before I started my ATC career I was Youth Councillor/Co-ordinator for Police Youth Clubs in Queensland. We would run vacation care programs for kids over the school holidays as well as organise camps (sometimes we could get 150+ kids on these things), and take them away for a week of fully supervised activities, sports....you get the idea.

Anyway, there was one girl who was always sent to us every school holidays since I could remember (I'll call her "T"). T's parents first enrolled her for Vacation Care when she was 6. Every holidays she would be there. She was sent on every camp we had. I got to know her and her mother faily well, and she was always told "Any problems go straight to Chris and he'll help".

What happened on the Christmas Holiday camp in 1995 still leaves me a little lost for words. T was 13 years old and unfortunately experienced her first period the second day of the camp. We had emergency contact numbers for her Grandparents (as her parents would always go away on their own little holiday) and tried to get in contact to no avail. The thing.......poor T didn't have the first clue about what was going on, what was happening to her body or what it all meant. The poor girl came and bashed on my door at 1:00am in tears. At the age of 23 (with a female police cadet filling in the blanks) I had to try to explain to her what was going on while trying no to scare the crap out of her or have her parents come after me. She was horrified and seemed totally clueless about the whole thing.

To cut the whole story short, when we got back and T's mum came to pick her up, of course we had to tell her what had happened. The look of indifference on the mothers face is something I will never forget. Next day though, T was there again........and her mum didn't make any reference to what had happened at all.

*Shrug*

Llademos
23rd May 2005, 20:10
The 'mothers' seem able to look after themselves. It's the poor kids who'll grow up with (a) children looking after them and (b) being called T-Jay and Amani

Evens that they will now sue their school for not preventing it

Ian Corrigible
23rd May 2005, 22:03
Almost as good as the other story running today about sex-offenders in NY getting Viagra on medicaid...

(Somewhere up in fishy heaven, there's a rather depressed lung fish looking down on all this and wondering why the hell did he ever bother lugging himself out of the sea in the first place.)

:hmm:

I/C

Sparkle
23rd May 2005, 22:21
don't get too worked up about it: they'll prob die of some horrid desease soon.

sorry, to have to make this comment, but that is what our society has come to, so, there.

tobzalp
23rd May 2005, 22:23
Hah beat me to it Llademos. I am amazed at how often people connected with certaing events have names like this. Give the Aussie series 'Kath and Kim' a watch and have a listen to the names they come up with for the kid. Poor thing (if it were real life) would be destined to giving handies to all the boys out the back of the bike sheds for eternity.

Whirlygig
23rd May 2005, 22:25
Sadly, the mother of these three girls probably doesn't know herself what caused them.

Cheers

Whirlygig

Jerricho
23rd May 2005, 22:27
would be destined to giving handies to all the boys out the back of the bike sheds for eternity.

You getting tired of doing it and looking for a break?

tobzalp
23rd May 2005, 22:29
Tired like a fox!

cosworth211
23rd May 2005, 22:30
Lack of sex education??

I am only 26, but Im sure the sex education is of a higher standard then 50 years ago, yet they didnt have those problems back then.

But on 2nd thoughts the benefits agency didnt pay out like they did back then either (i can imagine).

Simple motto - Dont have one if you cant afford it.

I personally believe the solution is not to offer these girls benefits to sit on their ever fattening ar*es at home, but to pay only and exclusively for child minding while the girls either complete their education or work full time. Probably cheaper for the tax payer, give the girls a chance in the future, and remove the benefits for those who did it for the money and council house.

FunkyMunky
23rd May 2005, 23:14
Just seen the mother (grandmother?) on Sky news saying how "it's not all my fault" and "I might be partly to blame."

Then the daughter came on saying how she "learned it all just before I got pregnant, but all I knew was the normal stuff that everyone else knows."

What normal stuff would that be then? That having an unprotected quickie will get you up the duff? Always seemed pretty obvious to me.

Yes, they may be right that they are not fully to blame - if anyone else is to blame, it's the little scumbags that got them pregnant and buggered off.

How can an education system, which, as one of the daughters/mothers said, told her the basics (which should be more than enough to prevent this, in my opinion) be to blame?

The only people I feel sorry for here are the youngest ones, the only people with no choice in what has happened. One of them is called T-Jay for goodness sakes.

Simple motto - Dont have one if you cant afford it.

Unfortunately, these pregnancies are all-too-often a means to an end so that they can afford whatever it is in fashion this week. :(

cosworth211
23rd May 2005, 23:34
I'm for neutering!

Get rid of the chavs and spongers in one fell swoop....

k-lo
24th May 2005, 01:08
Amani??

For pete's sake...



If she put an "r" in there she might just score some sponsorship dollars... Though I'm not sure the Armani empire is that desperate.

BahrainLad
24th May 2005, 01:30
T-Jay?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrghhhhh..........<thumps head against desk repeatedly....>

Shoot them. Shoot them all.


(Oh. And the elder one had 2 miscarriages plus the abortion.)

eal401
24th May 2005, 07:25
Just seen the mother (grandmother?) on Sky news saying how "it's not all my fault" and "I might be partly to blame."
Stupid cow. She is their mother for God's sake, it is ENTIRELY her fault if her braindead sprogs have no clue about how to behave, sex education etc.

I said to someone else on this subject, I wonder what are the odds if you got into their house that there'll be a widescreen TV, DVD player, TVs in all bedrooms, they'll all have mobile phones etc. etc. bloody etc!

:mad: :mad:

Ropey Pilot
24th May 2005, 07:34
k-lo,
She probably meant to call it Armani but couldn't spell it!:E

Solid Rust Twotter
24th May 2005, 07:35
eal

Don't see why not? You're paying for it....:E

It's going that way in SA right now and it seems to be purely for the benefits government provides. Saw a program in which a person admitted to deliberately contracting HIV as there's an allowance paid to victims.:ooh: :(

Pretty short sighted but if you come from a family of fourteen children with no education it may seem like a good idea at the time...:(

Saintsman
24th May 2005, 07:46
T-jay, Amani etc. You are forgetting that by the time those kids are older all their mates will have stupid names as well. The one with names like John, Peter, Thomas are the ones who will feel different....:hmm:

poorwanderingwun
24th May 2005, 07:47
Being out of the UK I haven't seen anything of the girls' mother...how old was she ? 24 ?

It's at times like this that I'm very happy not to be paying income tax :E

In fact I've always been happy not to be paying income tax:p

Pontious
24th May 2005, 07:47
And so starts another generation of stone throwing, knife wielding, vandalising gob-sh1tes.

The next time we'll see these proud mums on TV, will be a 'Britain's youngest Grandma's"...in about 9,11 or 13 years time if the trend continues.

I can't believe the girls' mother accepts so little responsibility!

That's edjacashun for ya!

Guern
24th May 2005, 08:26
The Mother was on GMTV this morning and said she knew that her daughter had started sleeping with her boyfriend in her house but didn't stop it because they would have just done it somewhere else!

How can she blame anyone else!

hoofie
24th May 2005, 10:32
One thing that bother's me about all this is that the surely the lads who banged-up the two younger girls are guilty of something ? I thought under-age sex was illegal. Presumably they are both underage. If not, then I would hope Inspector Knacker will be feeling their collars [I doubt it somehow].

Also, the 16 year-old was being nailed by a 38 year-old man in a 'secret relationship'. I bet he's sweating, especially if he's married.

Its truly depressing reading this - I did a straw poll in the office last week and EVERYONE, to a man and woman, feels that this country is going mad, the law-abiding and responsible majority are being screwed by the feckless and criminal, all with the governments blessing.

No tax, MOT or insurance on your car ? No problem, your chances of being stopped AND suffering the consequences are nil.
Can't be arsed working - no problem, the state will pay
Want a TV ? Burgle a house, you won't get caught
Someone 'dissed' you ? Smack 'em hard, the rozzers are too busy chasing motorists.

We pay more and more in taxes for less and less. The best one I heard recently is that Graduates etc may have to retire later than manual workers. Cracking ! So all of those years of study AND paying higher taxes, NI etc means that I get to work longer and die earlier. Thanks Mr. Blair.

My wife works as a Matron in the NHS. Her job is getting more and more hamstrung trying to achieve pointless and stupied government targets and she spends her time in battles with dim managers who make decisions about clinical priorities despite having zero medical or nursing experience. Oh, and the hospital she works in will be closed in 10 years.

My wife and I have decided to move to Oz, with any luck we'll be there by Xmas. I can't wait - the Uk is finished.

eal401
24th May 2005, 10:41
No tax, MOT or insurance on your car ? No problem, your chances of being stopped AND suffering the consequences are nil.
You missed out:

And even if you do get caught, the fine will be at a significant discount compared to the premiums you would have paid, and the points given will be at a level to allow you to continue driving.

:mad:

joe2812
24th May 2005, 11:00
The problem is blantently obvious, the question is what can/will be done to change things?

As law-abiding citizens who voted the current Government in (or didn't as the case may be), one feels powerless to have any say in the running of the country except that one vote every 4 years.

Just look at the thread on the yobs vandalising graves, the one about the funeral procession being attacked... these are the ones that have a) made it to national press and then b) made it onto Proon... how many other similar cases of teenagers getting up the duff/people being attacked/prisoners getting freebies/the lowest of the low scrounging off the state are going on which we don't hear about?

What really gets me is people can sod-all about it. Write to your MP who doesnt give a $h!t...

If you were to dish out some street-justice to the little scroat who you saw mugging an old lady by breaking a few limbs, you know it'd be you up the creek... Society has gone to pot, i'm looking forward to colonies on the moon and the eventual destruction of the scum left behind.

teeteringhead
24th May 2005, 11:00
Always amuses me when rat children (often under legal driving age) get done for driving without a licence ... err ... get banned.

So how can you take away a licence you haven't got .... or am I missing something:confused: :confused:

Tonic Please
24th May 2005, 11:07
Hoofie..amen to that.

I'm in France for a year, then off to Canada.

I'm only 20 but was fortunately mature enough and had (still have) decent parents to make me aware of my environment, and learnt myself that England is awful.


While i''m writing, I'll give a little pi$$ off one of mine from the UK;
There is a main road with a 30 limit. No traffic lights at this particur point, which has a road off to the right which is an entrance to a vet lab (anyhone know the one off new haw road, surrey?). Opposite that road is a road which becomes a dead end with houses etc. The council decided to put traffic lights at this point, where the 2 roads were. :bored: Reason? They said that the (originally accident free, no traffic jam free) road is too busy for the side roads and they have no chance to get out. They have to wait too long to join the main road. The cars coming out the residential road, and those coming out of the Vet Lab entrance were about 2 a minute at the most. The main road was about 40 a minute passing that point..you know, regular main road traffic. Yea!!! Thats sensible.

So now, the lights for the main road go red, so that 2 cars waiting at their traffic lights, be it vet lab or residential road can join the main road. WHAT??

Andwhats even funnier, is that now the cars who WANT to go to the roads on the opposite sides to what they are driving on, need to wait just as long as those cars who were originally trying to join the main road from the side, because the main traffic is on green...Same problem, just a different point + more traffic jams.

Come to think of it, the cars who cldnt get out originally still have to wait for the red light to go green so its actually got ZERO reason to be there. How economical.

Completely beyond me. And now, the traffic can go back for a good half mile at busy times, especially if ONE FRIGGIN PERSON needs to cross the road too, as that holds the lights up more. There are NEVER people crossing there as 20 meters further theres an island which has been used for years and years.

Sometimes the lights go red and there are no fking cars even joining the main road..must say i went through it once at night, as i could see no lights from cars who might be joining the side road. Risky but was morally angry.

:mad: Thats one thing. The rest are countless and I wont be living in the UK for as long as I can forsee...nor will many people i know.

simonjwt
24th May 2005, 12:44
I don't think it's too fair to blame the girls too much, i mean yes they probably knew what would happen they were just far too drunk to do anything about it :ok:

phnuff
24th May 2005, 12:53
So. . . . after all this publicity, are we going to see some legal action taken against the spotty toe rags who got them pregnant ? And, isn't the mother guilty of some kind of offence, either being complicit in the underage sex or neglect.

My guess is no because it would break up the family leaving irresponsible teenage mothers without a mother figure (what a role model !!) and the babies without free roaming fathers.

This just stinks !!!

BenThere
24th May 2005, 12:59
These girls and their children are the cannon fodder of the Culture War.

Flying Farmer
24th May 2005, 16:06
Makes my blood boil :mad: invested plenty of money in this new career(Aviation) and this bunch of scrotes are coining in 30000 a year when I struggle to earn 10000 with a family to house and feed, [email protected]

Two winters ago I had to resort to jobseekers because of so little instructing coming my way and found it hardly worth the effort jumping through the hoops put in the way of an honest citizen trying to better themselves.

Take the benefit away from the undeserving scum, I have no time for people like this at all. Sadly the system is there to be exploited by the feckless in this country!! neuter the lot of em.

Rant over

FF

cavortingcheetah
24th May 2005, 16:56
;) Actually, I think it is wonderful.

The creation of life by the youthful handmaidens of today.

Mark well the striations upon the babe. The inculcation of an homogeneous society, regardless of the canker of social morbifics is one of the avowed principles of the Government. Is it not expounded by our illustrious leader? (All Hail Anthony)!
Does not his own deputy have variegated rainbowed hues of Jaguars?

The moral mormal is not germain.

Oh well, as they used to say when I was young:

'nimium ne crede colori.'

But I must away to the cane fields lest I be seen to play the Owl-Glass.:p

Jerricho
24th May 2005, 16:59
by the youthful handmaidens

Going back to what Plazbot was saying about the bike sheds :E :E

cavortingcheetah
24th May 2005, 17:04
:p
I thought that there was a move afoot to ban you.
I am glad that, so far, at least, it has failed.:p

toothpic
24th May 2005, 17:15
Yet another nail in the coffin of the body that was a once decent society.I know there have been teenage pregnancys in the past and there always wll be, but three in the same family.....do me a favour, their benefit should be stopped. The mother even had the cheek to appear on breakfast Tv this morning....... next thing is she will be the star of some "Celebrity" TV series. Chav scum.... its never their fault... someone else is always to blame... surprised they havent sued the Fathers for negligence yet....
As a parent of two girls of 18 (At Royal Vet College London) and 16 (Taking GCSE's) I despair over what sort of society they are going to inherit.... as we progress steadily back to the dark ages

(Rant Over LOL)

stillin1
24th May 2005, 17:21
A fine example of evolution in action.
Makes me wonder how we ever got out of the trees and learned to stand upright!:yuk:
No wonder the gene pool is going to rat-sh#t
Adult (teenage) euthenasia - the way ahead:mad:
rant may continue!!!!!

ShyTorque
24th May 2005, 18:35
Those kids are being paid for by all of us except the ones who should be doing so.

Shame there isn't a compulsory operation to replace a few egg cells with brain cells. :rolleyes:

Whirlygig
24th May 2005, 18:37
Shame there isn't a compulsory operation to replace a few egg cells with brain cells
...er... or sperm cells?

Cheers

Whirlygig

ShyTorque
24th May 2005, 18:48
Yes, I s'pose so! Or do you mean a sex change for the little scumbags? ;)

airship
24th May 2005, 19:03
Couldn't we have a concerted private / public initiative? What I have in mind are mars bars with the "pill" in them, cokes with whatever chemical they use to suppress sex-offenders' urges, no more anatomically-correct dolls which cry and pee and arouse little girls' interests in where babies come from etcetc. And if proper adults wanted the "child-free" versions, they'd have to get a prescription from their GP first... :}

ShyTorque
24th May 2005, 19:12
The World Health Organisation sponsored a scheme in the 1960s whereby men were given a transistor radio in exchange for having the snip in the dinner break. Perhaps it's time for us here in the UK to consider ourselves a third world country and offer a Playstation or something to those who would really like one?

Astrodome
24th May 2005, 19:13
According to a tv report I saw this morning only ONE of the three fathers has remained in touch.

How very surprising ?

tony draper
24th May 2005, 19:43
Always thought eugenics got a undeserved bad name because of its later association with Adolf and his cronies,some of the finest minds and great thinkers of the last century were strong advocates of eugenics.
Perhaps its time a breeding licence was brought in, male children given a reversable sterilisation op at birth,reversed when they prove themselves eligible for a breeding licence,ie they are fit to father children and finacialy able to support em.

yintsinmerite
24th May 2005, 19:54
According to a tv report I saw this morning only ONE of the three fathers has remained in touch.

Stay in touch - the little toe rags should be kept in touch at the local nick visiting time and the mother should be locked up and the key thrown away. It seems as if she has abdicated all parental responsibility, something which I as a parent who would do anything for the well being of my kids, find hard to understand. I am all for freedom, but this is plain stoopid.
<Rant on>
Still, am I suprised? - probably not. This is a society which has invented the concept of random assaults and given it the name 'happy slapping'. A society in which the concept of the family spending time with each other over meals is replaced by the tea tray and TV, and a society in which people are famous, not for a skill or talent, but for for being famous and all that entails. I despair - the lunatics really have taken over </rant off>


I know a number of non UK peeps post on this board - tell me, do you get this happening elsewhere or are we really just a soft touch for the lazy, workshy and morally bankrupt ?

Crepello
24th May 2005, 22:03
In addition, this week saw the descration of childrens graves and the assualt of a police officer by five teenagers with iron bars. (Plus the theft of some silverware from a football team in the Strathclyde area :p )

I moved from the UK seven years ago and assumed I would return. The concept now fills me with dread - quite seriously. My current city's far from perfect (260 murders last year) but most people - of all ages - are courteous, respect each other, have a semblance of family values and are keen to improve themselves.

Granted, it's not all gloom back home but you're more aware of changes when you only visit a place periodically, and I don't see a positive trend. Where did it all go wrong? :confused:

reynoldsno1
24th May 2005, 23:01
Don't go back - I did, and it lasted 18 months. The local carnival parade did it for me - when one of the carnival queen's attendants was hit by a coin thrown from the crowd - she will bear the scar for life, apparently.....

Solid Rust Twotter
25th May 2005, 06:51
Isn't there a way to load a contraceptive implant into a .177 air rifle pellet?

That way Herr Drapes can go around darting chavs with contraceptives, much in the way elephant populations are controlled in game reserves.

It would keep the great man smiling and reduce the number of unwanted(?) pregnancies among those who are incapable of providing a decent life for the innocent.

Ozzy
25th May 2005, 13:17
Don't go back - I did, and it lasted 18 months We have friends who moved from the UK to Texas in 1990, bought a large house with a pool, had two kids, the works, both found good jobs. The hubby turned 40 and decided the family should move back to the UK. Got his employer to give him a transfer to one of their UK offices. They sold up everything and moved back.

They lasted exactly 4 weeks. They are now back in Texas and loving it...

Ozzy

joe2812
25th May 2005, 18:18
No need to over-complicate contraception for those skanks... how much is a 9mm round these days?

Ian Corrigible
25th May 2005, 19:53
12 at my local store. 'Course, you could halve that if you got them to stand back to back...:E

(Better stop now before the mods get mad)

I/C

flaps to 60
26th May 2005, 08:29
Play that stupid frog song to them until their tiny brain explodes and castrate the so called fathers.

ww1
26th May 2005, 09:01
Unbelievable.
Now tell me again why is it I have to help support these idiots?

Wingswinger
26th May 2005, 10:19
This shower represent the perfect New Labour "Family". They, and people like them, are why we used to have workhouses. It is time we had them again.

Sadly, this is not a joke. It is a perfect example of why our once-great nation is disappearing down the plug-hole.

No doubt the little [email protected]@rds will be fast-tracked for Oxbridge entry when they reach 18.