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pilotwolf
22nd May 2005, 15:11
"A re-enactment of the Battle of Trafalgar will not be a "French-bashing" opportunity, the Royal Navy has said.

Instead of the British taking on a French/Spanish fleet at next month's event to mark the battle's bicentenary a "red" force will take on a "blue".

Navy organisers fear visiting officials may be embarrassed at seeing their side beaten, The Sunday Times reported."

BBC story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4570301.stm)

PW

poorwanderingwun
22nd May 2005, 15:24
My thoughts on PC =

"The triumph of Wishful Thinking over Experience"

Red...Blue...

But we'll all know won't we... :E

Unwell_Raptor
22nd May 2005, 15:41
Apparently a group of French students visited HMS Victory in Portsmouth. A crusty old officer said "The last time there were this many Frenchmen around the ship they were swimming."

Dead_Heading
22nd May 2005, 16:34
Apparently when a French student asked where all the cannonballs were (the ones on Victory are mainly plastic) the guide answered "In your fleet sir" :E

I've seen re-enactments in France, and loved every single one of them, despite the fact that the British knights/soldiers were in rusty chain mail, unshaven, grubby and of course beaten, all were a great laugh, wasn't offended in the slightest-went back next year and watched it again.

I bet the french wouldn't mind seeing themselves being beaten-they do it so very well :O . Damn, petty, pathetic PC society we live in nowadays.

Davaar
22nd May 2005, 16:53
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rusty chain mail, unshaven, grubby and of course beaten
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There was one French bloke, well Corsican really, Napoleon Buonaparte by name, who did not think too highly of the French navy and Villeneuve in particular. Of course they rarely went to sea, because Nelson and other rotters kept them stuck at home.

Napoleon later had an assisted passage to St Helena, courtesy of the RN. He was much interested in what he saw on board, astonished by the speed and silence with which the ship left her mooring and got under way. All the matelots had something to do and did it. In the French navy, he remarked in effect, it would have been chaos, with some shouting orders, others disregarding them, and not much happening.

Paterbrat
22nd May 2005, 18:35
Gad that Napoleon fella was dashed perceptive on Froggy ships.

Davaar
22nd May 2005, 21:57
Still, we must give honour where honour is due.

One French officer at Trafalgar stands with the bravest of the brave, Jean Jacques Lucas, captain of the Redoutable.

He took Redoutable to the aid of Bucentaure, in which the French Commander-in-Chief, Vice Admiral de Villeneuve, was in deep trouble from HMS Victory. Lucas rammed HMS Victory.

He was 'full of Gallic fire and eagerness for battle', and had trained his men in the use of muskets and grenades and in boarding enemy ships. It was one of his snipers who shot Nelson while the two ships were locked.

Lucas then attempted to board HMS Victory, but HMS Temeraire (British, depite the name), came up to his starboard side. He was sandwiched between the two. He fought his ship to a standstill, losing nearly 80 per cent of his crew. His ship was smashed. He was forced to surrender. Redoutable sank.

Captain Lucas was taken prisoner on board HMS Swiftsure. Throughout the battle, wherever the fighting was most fierce, there he was to be found, in the thick of it. He was 4' 10" tall.

What a man!

tony draper
22nd May 2005, 22:02
Ah but the Temeraire was indeed a French ship in a previous life Mr Davvar, we ustsa pinch em and rename them, saved us building em,
Twas no use to the French anyway, they would have just broke it.
:cool:

Davaar
22nd May 2005, 22:29
Ummmmm......."[French privateers] preyed on British shipping in the Caribbean and the Atlantic. At times they sought shelter at the French Canadian fortress of Louisbourg. Their raids so endangered merchant shipping during the Seven Years War (1756-1763) that the British made it their priority to capture Louisbourg, Martinique, Guadeloupe, and Dominica - the ports providing safe havens for the corsairs. Even so, these sea raiders captured more than two thousand ships during the first six years of the Napoleonic Wars."

Ropey Pilot
23rd May 2005, 10:13
I would be very surprised if the 'enemy' forces were referred to as red. They always used to be, but after the cold war ended we had to call them 'orange forces' so as not to offend......:rolleyes:

tony draper
23rd May 2005, 10:40
That would not go down well with the Irish Navy Mr Ropey.
:rolleyes:

eal401
23rd May 2005, 11:13
If it had been a French victory, would the French be so sensitive above upsetting us?

OF COURSE NOT!!!

gruntie
23rd May 2005, 11:59
That Villeneuve bloke. Wasn't he Twiggy's manager?

tony draper
23rd May 2005, 12:04
A French Victory?,I think we would all be to busy watching pigs fly past to notice.
:rolleyes:

airship
23rd May 2005, 12:27
Drapes, the fact that there exists a USA today is in no small measure due to French efforts yonks ago. That was a major French victory of sorts...wouldn't you agree?! :O

Neither France nor Great Britain hold territories in N. America any longer. Nevertheless, our homelands are reasonably intact. So perhaps the French and British should be commiserating together, instead of taking cheap shots at each other?! ;)

tony draper
23rd May 2005, 12:34
Worrabout Canada then? don't we still own that? or did we give them their freedom, one is a tad out of touch.
:rolleyes:

PS The cousins had to fight us for our bit,they just bought yours, and then the cheeky buggas borrowed the money off us to do so.
:cool:

Gouabafla
23rd May 2005, 13:34
PS The cousins had to fight us for our bit,they just bought yours, and then the cheeky buggas borrowed the money off us to do so.

Are we talking about ManU here?

teeteringhead
23rd May 2005, 13:36
Neither France nor Great Britain hold territories in N. America any longer. ... but the language they (sort of ) speak is ........;)

airship
23rd May 2005, 13:46
Well, there are probably more Canadians in Quebec who want to reattach themselves to their mother-country than Americans in USA...so?! :p

PS. I heard recently that the EU would be willing to entertain an application for membership from...Canada?! ;) This could just be an initiative from Jacques Chirac in order to remove the heat about Turkey's application though... :D

XXTSGR
23rd May 2005, 14:43
Errrr Tony? You remember how, back in the Middle Ages when you were a lad, the English had massive land holdings in France? You know, Normandy, Aquitaine, etc. etc. Remember the Battle of Agincourt? We owned most of France then.

Now, it cannot have escaped your notice, we don't. Care to speculate how one state of affairs stopped being the case and we started having the other state of affairs? Basically, there were an awful lot of French victories about which we learned nothing in school. Sure, they taught us about Crecy, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Waterloo and - er - that's it (Ed.) And while we're talking about Waterloo, we wouldn't have beaten the French without German assistance.

Davaar
23rd May 2005, 17:58
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How about St Pierre and Miquelon then? Very useful for rum running. For Dr Draper's especial pleasure, see "The Lily of St Pierre" by Damon Runyon.

tony draper
23rd May 2005, 18:03
Listen you folks seem to think its easy being the forum Francophobe, its a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
:rolleyes:








Err yer quite right, it is easy.
:rolleyes:

Standard Noise
23rd May 2005, 19:12
Why can't it bethe Bulldog team against the (cheese eating surrender) Monkeys team?
Or the red, white and blue team against the yellow team?
:E :}