Changes at ETIHAD?

[wallflower]

Has anyone else heard the rumour that changes are planned for ETIHAD?The latest is that VP OPS and deputy are about to be chopped.

[wallflower]

Yes heard that too,but the rumour I heard was about ops not commercial and it was from a reliable source.There is a lot of stuff going on at Etihad at the moment........how many heads will fall?

[airmemphis]

Are they getting rid of that single B763? Even though the aircraft is not that old (1999) it is a bit of a misfit in the fleet.

[fractional]

Really! EY needs a complete D Check... if there isn't a bigger one.
A lot has been said privately and not in this forum or elsewhere. I stopped by AUH and DXB and the picture is not good. Best source of info is usually the local lads. The rumour mill usually bears fruits. They know it but don't like to speak about it openly.
I can only remember reading or hearing such a bad start for a so-called new National Airline, that one of QR back in 94 when the then CEO made a mess of everything. He did not have the ca$h his successor (or EY) has nowadays at their disposal. But he also recruited mediocrity (or worse) and got less than that immediately. Rightly so, his masters "booted" him out along the entire top and middle structure.
It's a disgrace that EY has not done much better with so much money at their disposal (wrong?).
You install and hire mediocrity (again), you'll get mediocrity. The chairperson and the majority of his management team have "proven credentials" elsewhere in the Gulf...
Sorry to hear someone (EY) is actually very (terminally) ill.
So many other operators worldwide would like such a generosity from one of the richest masters in the world nowadays.
EY can buy BIG because of "mine has to be bigger" policy, but they need to contract "bigger" management to prop them up into the much heralded success to match their masters wealth.
If their B767 is a lonely creature, I think they should have more of that size or a little smaller to cater for the thinner routes. I cannot imagine EY having a good load on the short-haul flights. All other Gulf operators started with narrow bodies to match biz targets (i.e. frequencies) and of those operators only EK operates today a all widebody fleet because they built a brand name.
I hope this complete D Chk happens "today". Leaves fall every autumn...
Chin up! Keep flying safely.

[Gretchenfrage]

Hi all
I am not working for one of these companies. From my earlier experience the companies in this region ressemble very much former Swissair and Crossair. EK starts very good and becomes over-arrogant (SWR), EY starts as miserably managed bubble sustained by the state (CRX first sucked blood from SWR, then after the collapse of SWR became SWISS and sucked blood from the state).
What happened then is history: SWR adopted the attitude “love it or leave it, we have thousands waiting for your job”. They then eventually gave up a lot of routes to CRX, which itself started to compete it’s sponsor with cutthroat criminal T&C’s in ops. It’s manager falling into the “mine will be bigger” game the ME world adopted and which the former SWR manager had perfectioned.
The outcome:
Today SWR is broke, collapsed. The fabulous CRX crashed two healthy planes, with casualties and all the relevant managers face trial (yes, they do, thank god).
It seems to me that the formidable ME airline owners and their managers have a frightening short memory. They should at least pose themselves my name as question:
Do I believe in history repeating itself or not!
Good luck to y’alls

gretchenfrage

[fractional]

Gd post. The headlines are in it. What really baffles is "the VPO flies a 17 hour duty to ensure schedule is covered".
I heard the rumour at end of February, but nothing more. Now that you said it it means something. Where there's smoke there is fire...
How can this be possible? Good example and better safety standards... I wonder what the EY Safety Officer had to say about it? Did he know it or...?
Keep flying safely (not with EY apparently...)

[Kuronja]

Since this is a rumour network all kinds of rumours mostly untrue are posted here regarding EY ... it is good to get rumours from someone closer to the company rather than from rejected wannabe's and malicious posters... first there is a gcaa approved safety program in place with flight safety department comprised of several highly experienced people from ex-European/Asian/ME/N.American national carriers..VP ops is doing his job and these days seldom flies ..as well as his Deputy..in fact contracts are extended for the next several years for all the Senior Managment people....you made me laugh with 17 hour duty day where did you get that?....in fact roster is pretty good with more days off than most other outfits in the region...currently there are more pilots than required due to the anticipated expansion ....than there are two new fleet chiefs on board ....and planes have occupancy on subcontinet and BKK routes close to 80%....as well as most European routes it does fluctuate but doesn't it in any company or season ? Company is very well run considering that it has started year and a half ago and you could see improvements every day much faster implemented than QR 9 years or Ek in early days 17 years ago....there are planes coming , 7 maybe 8 this year and 12+ the next ...it is not easy to set up an airline but EY people are doing the best job they can..and regardless of the financial backing there is accountability for every step you take..so a little less harsh criticism and a bit more of information research will help you get the right information if that is your goal ...or maybe it isn't on the other hand ... and by the way new web site is only two weeks old and it looks good ...bear in mind that company has only six airplanes , all leased , none of its own so far..i think pretty good job from that perspective

[wallflower]

Kuronja

sounds to me like your head could be one of those for the chop together with the rest of them.Remember.......there is NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE.Also ask anyone who knows anything of the ME a contract is not worth the paper it is written on.

[Gretchenfrage]

To a outsider this recalls the saying that if you throw a stone into a herd of sheep, the animal that gets hit cries out loudest.
Good that we get reminded that "since this is a rumour network ALL kinds of rumours mostly untrue are posted here regarding EY".

[fourplay]

Gccpro,

I don't know what your problem is however, could you lay off the EY bashing just a tad?

You have given us a good old serve of negativity and chips in the CC forum and now you are here doing the same.

I smell rejected application at 500 paces

:ooh: :ooh: :ooh:

[fourplay]

Yes you are entitled to say whatever you like.
However, Please remember it impacts othes lives.
There are many new crew who have been recruited to go over to EY during the coming months who are following these threads, some who have never flown before and most have never been to the Gulf.
To put the wind up them with confusing snipits is unfair to the them, the company, and existing crew.
I know its not going to be a bed of roses.

Someones Nana used to say... if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all.

Well sometimes thats good advice? ;) ;) ;)

Indeed we shall see you soon, Please be nice!

[helosledder]

4 play, iM with you on that. i should be heading over there shortly and I would more like to read whats actually happening prior to my arival. So far everything looks mostly positive!!!:ok:

[fractional]

It's amazing that we have so many "rightful owners of the truth" in this Forum.
I keep reading the word responsible posting. A rumour on its own may be false. Is this irresponsibility outright? It depends otherwise info wouldn't flow at all.
If the rumour disfavours those "owners of the truth", the respective author gets a public repremand if not a threat of "expulsion"...
Let the info flow. Don't take it personally. Be open minded even if the topic doesn't please you (at once). Add your views constructively and objectively (no compromise there!. Posts, even if it's just a rumour, must be objective. Do NOT be aggressive extremely direct to the point of berating the other member.
Let me go back to the subject of rumour and how helpful this (or others) Forum can be.
If ONE should have to take a job anywhere in the world and if that ONE IS A RESPONSIBLE PERSON, single, married (with or without kids), I'm quite sure he/she would be very appreciative to having as much information about the employer, city, cost of living (and I here include all the major sources of expenditure including life-styles), etc..
Internet, Media and employer's interviewing panels don't tell it all specially if the interview takes place away from you are going to be based. Night-stopping on duty is not the same as living in the same spot...
You need to have a fact-finding mission to acertain you decision. And in the absence of those, this forum (and others) can be very helpful sometimes confusing if the posts are irresponsible (true). If the thread keeps coming back, and from different members, there may be some truth to it.
Keep flying safely!

[wallflower]

Gccpro

You seem to have hi-jacked my original post and turned it into a bit of a slanging match.I was simply airing a rumour i had heard about the management,nothing more.Although having read through the other thread about Etihad(Etihad Interview),the post about the young girl present during the simulator session is no secret.It seems she is from HR and is there to ASSIST..........professional/unprofessional it doesnt matter,thats the way its done.
So Gccpro if you want to have a go start your own thread.


Wallflower

[Henry VIII]

Any news about change in high level Training organization ???

Cu

[cayenne]

Henry the VIII: There is a new head of training, the 4th so far. Strictly a puppet. He has no input on anything. "Your compliance is mandatory" F**k **f

Kuronja. Tsst Tsst, by stating the 17 hour duty day was false, you make people want to prove you wrong. 330 was scheduled to go to Munich, via Geneva. There was a last minute change and the 340 had to do the trip. But the crew in Munich was only 330 endorsed. So instead of delaying the flight out of Munich so the inbound crew could rest, after spending the morning in the office, the VPOT and his Deputy flew to Geneva, then Munich and flew back to Abu Dhabi. You are right, it wasn't 17 hours, it was more like 19.

[Gretchenfrage]

I might repeat myself, however I might get remembered:
This sounds outrageously like Crossair in the early days. The same cover-up management by mushrooms:
Lay seeds and cover everything in deep dirt, if anything valuable grows through this cover, chop it of and throw more dirt upon it.
Be prepared:
Before CRX's manager-crook got indicted for negligent killing, he got the award of manager of the year! Probably because his pilots flew as long as he dictated and as far below regulations as he dictated.
Presumeably Etihad will win a award in the near future........

[fractional]

Where there is smoke there is fire, eventually... So, the rumour is now becoming a little more than that.
Now for the Forum's "owners of the moral truth", this is (cayenne's) irresponsible posting...
How much more is there that has not been disclosed. Let the info flow freely unless one feels "responsible" (or part of) for being part of the "wrong". Money alone does NOT buy safety and professionalism outright for any price. Ensure you fly safely, PLEASE.

[puppet-master]

:D
The interviews at Etihad are tough and fair. We have two of the best secretary assisting the pilots during the Sim session. They can type more than 40 words a minute. Try that any of you pilots. Our Post Holder Training is not a puppet. He makes all the decision with regards to upgrading, instructor pilot and new intake. He has tremendous experience as an Airbus chief instructor. Our QM is one of the best pilot ever to command on the Airbus. He runs the show at Flight Operation. Man I can count on during crisis.

[Kuronja]

Hey gccpro what's your point...LOL..should i get into piss....g match w you ..what for ...you want it to be black so be it ..will that makes you feel better ..let me calm your concious Sigmund..it's all bad here ...did you have a problem with your application or a sim check which one is it?

[Gretchenfrage]

OK puppet-master, let's resume:
Quality to Etihad is how many words you can type per minute, as you even want pilots to try that aswell.
Quality means to Etihad, that one man makes all the decisions concerning upgrades, instruction and recruitement. Probably he also runs the CRM show all alone.
Crisis management to Etihad means counting on a man who apparently works almost 19h duty on a commercial passenger jet.
Again: EY comes closer and closer to CRX, you couldn’t have descibed it better.

[puppet-master]

gretchenfrage:

Well the 19 hrs duty is a fact. I'm sure they got the blessing from GCAA. It must have been a pilot program to see whether Etihad pilots were better than the rest of the world. Well B & W proved it could be done and now looking at 21 hrs duty in the near future. Training dept is basically NOT needed as we recruit the best of the best. These pilots DO NOT need any training. Just a few sorties around the dunes and TopGun is itching to fly. GR is the watch DOG. He assures that quality is never compromise. Ask any of the FO how good the DOG is. Yes come to Etihad and you will feel like you NEVER left Germany.:D :O :ok:

[Kuronja]

"why have you gone so quiet haven't got a leg to stand on Kuranja have you"....going little senile there are we buddy ? modified your post several times...life on the pprune...try to get some....and btw its kuronja with big O for you and a third leg to stand on.

I have to agree that 21 hr duty day is maybe a bit long but we are all enthusiasting about it since we can fly ...see the world and maybe please the Gods ....get closer to them.....off to a belly dancing class...or should i get another beer so i look better in my outfit..just have to shave those legs:confused: :sad:

[MAXMEDLO]

Kuronja,puppet-master, 2 words,SEEK HELP

[fractional]

Lets go back to the thread itself. Are there any changes instead of the mud slinging?
Today's losers :ugh: may be tomorrow's winners... :cool: What goes around comes around, and it's usually true.

[Itswindyout]

I am a pilot who was Bused out to Abu Dhabi last week, for an interview...(NOT with Etihad.) The LHR-Abu Dhabi flight was on time, with very good cabin service in Club. The entire experience was excellent, IFE was good, (apart from the seat belts on early, and removal of IFE before TOD), the landing was so smooth I though it was one of mine.....My only little niggle was the lack of ground support upon arrival, trying to locate the limo service was a problem.. There was only one youngish lady in 1st, and 8 of us in Club.
The return flight a week later was in 1st, with just 2 of us. Originally 1 in club and 1 in first. I managed to suggest to the crew that it would be easier for them if they bumped me to first......!!!!!!!!!!
The service was very good, but not much better than club, on the outbound...the landing at LHR apart from being 30 mins early, was also soooo smooth.....if thats after a 18 hour day I was impressed.

Only complaint: the first class cabin crew were very nice but not up to what I would consider "silver service" standard.

As an aside, the Emirates service at the same time ex LGW was delayed 6 hours, without explanation, and was very very full, on both sectors.

I am available to consult on the expected standards in the first class cabin, at a nominal fee.

Windy.

[Kuronja]

Ridiculous threads require ridiculous responses since we have few baboons on this forum who will identify themselfs in the following replies.

They obviously don't want to discuss the issues but rather stir the s...t ...so what's the point for any meaningful conversation.

Insults and accusations ..... it's kindergarden

Off to Cellar Bar the only Cellar above the ground

[Hockeysticks]

Anyone heard rumours that Etihad have chosen a new CEO?

There was a post here a couple of days ago which disappeared!!

[Hockeysticks]

Gccpro

You seem well informed. How reliable is this information?

Not sure about all the initials though...I would have said WB,HW,GR to start with.

[wallflower]

Gccpro


How reliable is your source?I agree with what you say(apart from the bit about the sausage,I didnt understand that).Tell us more.

[cayenne]

Unless the new CEO is picked by WB, there is no way he will stay. He will not give up all his power and answer to anybody.
It is a one man show.

[Rieke]

WB and friends are well known here in italy and germany.Ex police men with no culture or style,arrogant and ignorant.Enjoy your work at HIS company!!

[UNKNOWN]

HI Rieke

your story is absolut true. The german management guys were
ex undercover policemen in frankfurt and stuttgart (south germany)many years ago and i guess they learned there job very well. What i also heard from my friend (ex Volare pilot) that one of the german managem. guys (WB)was fired by postholder of Operations Mario Vitali(VOLARE) caused by several incidents/accid. Airbus 330 in Mombassa(Kenia) and Milan(Italy). Some of the italien copilots applied for Etihad involved in mombassa and milan~ desaster but refused by the germans(WB,GR)

The undercover is still working

[gccpro]

And how would you know anything of EY in Belize?

[vfenext]

No gccpro is right, nobody outside Abu Dhabi has ever heard of EY except the police in Germany and Italy of course!! lol.

[fractional]

Impressive stuff! This topic is now being censored. Some of the posts just vanished... This is why people are now writing from places far away from the Gulf...

[4HolerPoler]

No censoring being conducted by the mods on this one- it's being done by the posters themselves - creates an odd illusion.

4HP

[AMX10]

Whatever happened to the CO? we understand he is not there anymore, anyone replacing him to hold the briefcase, like he was doing before?

[flaps5]

CIAO A TUTTI!!

A big rumour from a friend of mine who has been flying with Volare (an ex Italian company) says that an Etihad Quality Manager, (who is an ex Volare pilot too) is performing his managing role with out any previous QM experience. He has been flying as a Captain with FTI, an ex charter company in Europe, then he went to Volare as a captain. Afterwards he joined Etihad Airways as one of the Pioneers.

I heard he falsified his own Notification Letter, signed and stamped by somebody else, saying that he had been Quality Manager before in FTI. Etihad's Flight Manegement was aware of the truth discrepancies in the document.

He sent the paper with his misrepresented CV to the UAE FAA and they accepted the document with out checking the person's background and they immediately approved him as Quality Manager.

INCREDIBILE!!!CHE CASINO E QUELLO!!!

This QM asked an italien guy his name is XXXXXXXXXXXXXX to join ETIHAD AIRWAYS Flightmanagement.
He was involved in LAUDA ITALY(LIVINGSTON) Flightmanagement too and is a guy who broke many many rules and laws in Italien Airline business e.x. Flight Duty Times/ not adhearing the MEL/etc,etc,etc
He dismissed pilots who did not accept his leading who wanted to follow the rules and very importent he implemented fear. The management changed and the new managers was asking him to resign otherwise the managment were forced to dismiss him.

Why is ETIHAD AIRWAYS QUALITY MANAGER and his team not checking the background of those ex LAUDA ITALY MAFIA HARDLINERS????? or is LUUFTWAFE involved to implement italien structure in Etihad as well???


UN ALTRO ESEMPIO...

I also heard that Head of Etihad is also an A-340 pilot and only German pilots are allowed to fly with him in the simulator, as requested by the Flight Management. I guess no other nationalities can cope with that.

So, in one case the head of Etihad had an A-340 simulator checkright with a co-pilot who had never flown an A-340 before, why did the examiner accept this?

CHE RAZZA DI CORRUZIONE E QUELLA!!!

The Head of Etihad is most likely not guilty as he has to trust in his management and the screening process and trust that his pilots obey the rules and laws. In this case I guess some guys did not folllow that and they have been misleading him.
The big question is why the examiner and the co-pilot did not mention the man before? Did they hide anything?

E LA CONFUSIONE CONTINUA!!!

Names removed 4HP

[Gretchenfrage]

Welcome to CROSSAIR - MIDDLE EAST!

Just be aware that with these clowns up in training and management, your licences might trigger just a mild laugh when you want to reapply back up north one day.

[dr.berzel]

Ciao Flaps five,

obviously you're not far away from the truth...
But you should know that it's not important how you're
performing-just know the right people!
This system works better in Italy as anywhere else in
Europe.
Another aspect is that the QM is just a puppet of WB.
As far as I know this fact has been even notified by
his former girlfriend, but not by himself.

Anyway, he made good career in ETIHAD and some day
you will see him again - maybe as your checker?

Good luck, fly safe

Dr.Berzel

[AMX10]

Apparently even their chief security man left them.

Must be something going on!!!!

Doesn't smell nice this!

Definetly looks like they have trouble ahead!

[optimizec]

I have been talking to a friend of mine, and he has heard that a lot of Pilots from Air Mauritius on their way to ETIHAD including instructors.
Is this true if so lots of jobs at Air Mauritius?
Do these guys know what their doing,with the German GESTAPO there and the likes of GR and WB.
Things must be really bad in MK.

[wallflower]

Things could not be worse in Etihad at the moment,as long as the present management are in place the situation can not possibly improve.Everyone warns about GR and WB but the one to lookout for is HW he is the real Sssssschlange in the grassssss.Some how though he seems to be made of teflon and every thing sssslides off him.For how much longer though?

[bulkhold]

I am not a pilot nor Etihad staff but wondering why you guys are not happy from the EY management bearing in mind that it is a new airline and needs little time to be well established.

UAE is a nice place and therefore, be paitent !

[AMX10]

Where do you work in Congo?

Pay cuts and salary drops in the first year and you are wondering why pilots are unhappy?

Yes new airline, but management is poor if not abysmal.

Mybe you are the right man for the job why don't you join them?

Have you read the other posts re cost of living, a good insight on mybe why also everyone is complaining.

And save your UAE nice place for some other time, been there and seen it, tell me what is so nice about it? The weather maybe, like searing heat and breathtaking humidity! Much prefer where I am now. Cool and dry.

[optimizec]

Hey Bulkhold,these guys talked about in here have certainly set themselfs up quite well, compared to the rest they like have 60 days leave while all the rest have 42.

A friend of mine tells me they have a pretty good time there.

Another Berlin wall;;

[flyboyuk2]

SOMEONE SHOULD RAISE THE ISSUE OF THE AMOUNT OF FLIGHT ATTENDANTS PASSING THROUGH THEIR BOUDOIRS!!!!!!! FRIEND WHO WORKS FOR THEM CLAIMS THAT PROMOTION IS BASED ON OFF LINE PERFORMANCE;)

[Engine777]

I came to know from EY that the VP-OPS is going crazy these days!!! fighting with everyone in Etihad, something is going on there. Even people working with him are pretending that he is leaving soon....:mad:

[gccpro]

The fact of the matter is that he will probably be nominated CEO there seems to be too much complicity and his loss would be that of others above him whose credibility would be shaken.

What a disaster in the making and the amazingg thing is despite all the posts, despite all the facts he is still there running the show as if nothing happened.

Also remember that his departure may not necessarily mean the end of problems for EY, there are still many individuals there wwho are personas non grata elsewhere and who hold important jobs, yet no one can move them.

I am always amazed at the fact that they have a history behind them that is dark damp and dirty and they are still kept there to hire and fire etc...

[wallflower]

GCCPRO


Youre back then.What happened to all your earlier posts?

[gccpro]

Wallflower

I should call myself wallfly, I am just watching it unfold in all its beauty.

My posts become irrelevant when you see what others have to say.

;)

[nightshift]

he girls, clean up in front of your door before you talk about your neighbour or your boss. Don't moan if you can't do it better.
it is jealousy to moan about people who achieve something.
concentrate on what you supposed to do, maybe you'll get the a chance one day and you'll see how easy it is to fail and how difficult to success.

message from an outsider

[Engine777]

and you call this success?

Hahaha......you are too fare to know what does success mean.

You must be from the same failures team, lots of people talk only but few of them do the right job.....LOL


;)

[AMX10]

Now please specify which night shift you are on, HQ or home office?

I know of a very good address where you can get English lessons so your posts can be more legible, do I detect a German syntax there? Outsider? Mein Arche!

So since you know so much tell me what it is that is so good about putting lives at risk for the sake of profitability, how long would you survive (That is if you come from a half decent country)
doing whats being done at EY?

Very nicely said concentrate on what you are doing, what is everyone doing exactly? Do you know yourself?

Go suck on a lemon! and tell me how that feels!:eek: :ugh:

[EAM]

Ask the guys at LTU about WB, he sold the pilots and after ripping them off he got a big, big bonus from the SwissAir managment for this.
They are all very happy that he is gone.
Someone told me,t hat on a linecheck he asked questions having the book in his hand, because he doesnt know the Airbus very well.
GR had lot less than 1000h on A330 when he joined EY, so he is not that expierenced as someone said here and by the way dont get to close with him, he might not know you anymore next week.

[fullforward]

Check your PMs please.

[cavelino rampante]

fullforward

ive just turned on private messaging, can you send again

[fullforward]

Do it again, please.

[AMX10]

No News from the Bourget?

[Engine777]

Any one has the latest regarding the CHANGES IN ETIHAD?
:=

[Engine777]

For sure that their problems are growing and this is coming for the heart of EY.

No wonder why not many people speak out about their miserable work environement, they are horrified by their german VP..... wonder if they are serving the army or the airline?

Happy flying to all our colleagues in EY, good luck!
:mad:

[4HolerPoler]

Well I'm strapping on my helmet and cleaning out my In-Box because I'm sure that this is going to cause a stream of complaints from the players but this is the whole essence of this site - the life-blood of the mill.

And remember, before you send me another email demanding the identity of members so that you can pursue some fanciful legal recourse - you made your bed - now sleep in it. This industry is too small to leave your previous infidelities and start anew - live with it.

4HP

[fourplay]

Ooooowa :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: Way better than the Bold and the beautiful daytime soap!

[Left Coaster]

Jeez! Wait until the news about who can be hired or NOT as the case may be, hits the streets!:eek:

[susi]

Please continue with this thread! Apply or not to apply for a job with Etihad- no question....
What is the safety culture like?

[ironbutt57]

Mannaise...a lot of crap flying around here!!!!:uhoh:

[AMX10]

Nothing new!!!!

Thought everyone knew that already, is "HE" still flying in style as he used to in his previous job? Maybe someone should give him a plane he can practice a few crashes on.

In his GF days, he was not allowed to fly unless a senior captain was on-board with him.

So his head of ops was selected by himself I suppose?

[camel trader]

With the delivery rate anticipated at Etihad, does anybody out there know when the type-rating requirement is going to be dropped? I guess they're sourcing most of their drivers from the far east airlines...

[Mustapha Rex]

Standard conversion to A-330 (1 day and 3 days the other way) Mixed fleet and cross flying possible too!

Yes lots of MAS presence is certainly felt!

[cayenne]

Latest rumour is that the pilots housing allowance was approved for an increase by the bean counters, but WB said No. What is your problem? You lie and deceive and continually take more and more away from your employees. Why? Making sure you set up a good retirement fund for yourself and GR? You have a dedicated group of professionals who left their families at home to come work for you. We are all here to work hard and make this airline work, and we continually get s--t on by you. Why don't you do something positive for a change? You have a brand new airline, new planes (well, someday) and new employees and YOU have put the moral in the toilet. Most companies and employees have a management they may not like, but they respect, and that respect makes them loyal and want to do a good job. You have cultivated a management by fear, maybe because that is all you know. Let's see how far that gets you.

[flynbyu]

Most companies and employees have a management they may not like, but they respect, and that respect makes them loyal and want to do a good job.


-- Just out of curiousity, where the heck would that airline be? They all dish out the sh*t just in different piles.

[jackbauer]

Fact is most of us tolerate management in the hope things will get better,usually it does. EY however look like they are getting it very wrong from the start and with the history of some people there from CEO down I don't think morale will improve. The bigger it gets the greedier they get.

[Engine777]

Hi cayenne,

I do agree with you 100%, these people, GW ++ have nothing else than to pray as I ahve heard that a good Tsunami is coming to EY very soon and many heads will shopped....guess who's first head will be?

:8

[Baglama]

If this is what is reflected on Pprune, I just really wonder what the atmosphere must be like in EY........


Sad truth!

:yuk:

[wallflower]

At last,sanity prevails.A new CEO for Etihad.From now on things can only get better.He has proven his worth with Etihad already and is very highly thought of.AN EXCELLENT CHOICE.

[Engine777]

The party has started in EY. Keep on watching the news.

;)

:ok:

[jackbauer]

And he doesn't take cr@p
In that case I give him 6 months before he reaches an intake overload!!

[gccpro]

New Chief then hey?

Let us see if:

1- He can rid himself of W and his lot.
2- Do the same with the useless Bahraini and Omani just below him and the retinue of brown nosed lickers.

6 months....

[AMX10]

The Omani can be sent to Gamco there are apparently vacancies there as executive Secretary to the GM, the Bahraini can go take a position in the canteen there is a vacancy there for a dishwasher.

:=

[jollyikarus]

gccpro

Which W do you mean.....WB or HW???? ;-)

Cheers!

;-)

[gccpro]

Jolly Jumper!


WB (LTU)
HW (LTU)
GR (LTU)
SaS (GF)
AiY (GF)
FG (EK)
YaH (Al Tayer)
JG (Duni)
SA (Famine)
SR (Goa)
HA (OZ)
SR (Red spot)


That should clear some hay from the stack.

[AMX10]

all quiet on the southern front....



No news.........


Hushhhhhhh!


Must be something going on?

[EAM]

GR was not in LTU he was in VA and in the police as well

[Baglama]

Until such time that Robert rids himself of the useless imbeciles who have so far managed the company, Etihad will remain the useless outfit it is now.

With no coordination, wondering aimlessly, with criminals at every corner of the building.

Al Salmi and Borchert's conflict of interest has prvoven a few things:

1-This is not Gulf Air (And thank God for that)
2-Al Salmi never was and never will be a CEO
3-Borchert neither
4-Aqeel will dance to any music
5-Al Salmi? Aqeel turns a blind eye

Now if the company wants credibility within and out it needs to rid itself of these shady characters who simply trun everyone else off. All the staff is discusted that these individuals are working with them, from work practice to ethics they simply revulse everyone.

Of course they were chosen by Al Salmi and Aqeel who only had in mind to recreate The Gulf Air atmosphere of Bahrain with all its corruption and despotism, justifying their actions in the name of the Chairman....

Lets see how long they last!

[EAM]

@mascarpone about GR I cann tell you that he was in FTI and VA but not in LTU.

About WB I can tell you that guys at LTU are very happy that he left.
He made up a new Union in LTU and with all his knowledge about the situation of the pilots he later supportet the Swissair Managment when they cut the salaries by about 15-20%, WB received a very good bonus for this, a few hunderdtousends.

The union wanted to sue him, so he let them know that he has cancer and that the doctors give him about 6 month to live, so the union dropped the case.....but as you can see, he is still alive, happy and flying.

[AMX10]

This is what I read about etihad on skytrax.... No comments



"We flew LGW to Abu Dhabi return. Flight out was only 1/3 full and seat room no issue. The crew were in such a rush we hardly had chance to eat the meals. Food disappointing for an Emirates equivalent and drinks were given out as if on rations - and I only wanted diet coke, so overall would not rate this airline compared to Emirates and Qatar Flight back was so cold and the crew were not interested. Food was poor. Water was provided for each seat but who wants warm water especially leaving UAE at 40 degrees temperature? "

And:

NO RANKING

Combined Quality of Product / Staff service in airport and onboard environments

First Class (Diamond Zone) U

Business Class (Pearl Zone) U

Economy Class (Coral Zone) U



:8

[Gendec]

A work force behind the chairman......or in front who knows....?

Interesting thread in the cabin crew forum, nothing like it in EK for sure even if we do have some hanky panky, the following is simply worthless.........Staff leaning into complete serivtude for the buck, Yeay!!!


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=179637&perpage=15&pagenumber=4 (http://)

No more said!!!

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[9876]

Gendec ..... you might be interested to know the thread mentioned has been removed from the cabin crew web site.

Obviously EY does not want the truth to get in the way of reality in their quest to bring Laham shaham to the slaughter.

[AMX10]

The previous two posts are clear indications that Etihad is no different from the Gulf Air of Sheikh Ahmed many years ago.

Staff complying to whims of the chairman and accepting the humiliation and servility so prominent in Gulf Air during his tenure.

Everyone knows what the results of that were, and the accidents that ensued are only a small indication compared to the damage caused to Gulf Air in the process.

If this is the new airline of the 21st century, then I am Beethoven and what I write is poetry.

What will become of this airline is simply another slaughter house for the unknowing like Gulf Air was in the late 90's under the same management.

God Help you all.

[ironbutt57]

the two bucket philosophy.....

1) MONEY

2) bull****

which ever one is full first....go home.....the philosophy of the expat worker.......no two equals...sort it out for yourself......'nuff said.:cool:

[Gendec]

9876


Fourplay has removed every post in regard to recruitment for Etihad, it seems he has gone back on his enthusiasm!


Truly priceless, to lie about one of the worst oufits I have seen when it comes to ethics and where staff are considered property of the whims of the chairman and senior management.

Feodalism in its prime.

[jollyikarus]

Talking about changes -
Just saw the following...

Etihad to fly to Toronto this October
28/07/2005

Abu Dhabi: After spreading its wings over the Middle East, Asia and Europe, Etihad Airways now plans to fly to its first destination in North America. Starting October 2005, the National Airline of the UAE will commence operations to Toronto via Brussels with three direct flights every week.

“We are looking forward to our first trans-Atlantic flight to North America within just two years of operations. Our flight to Canada will be a launch pad for our services to the US in the summer of 2006,” says Ian Ferguson Brown, Etihad’s Head of Communications. “This new operation reflects our commitment to place guest needs at the core of our strategic development, especially with regard to destination selection. Currently, there are no direct flights from the UAE to Canada, so this new route will provide our guests with greater flexibility when travelling to Europe and North America.”

The new route to Toronto via Brussels is expected to significantly enhance the link between the UAE, Europe and Canada, providing even more opportunities for business and tourism. Bilateral trade between Canada and the UAE is expected to double this year. The Canadian Business Council in Abu Dhabi was launched in March 2005, paving the way for even more Canadian companies to continue investing and expanding operations in the UAE, especially in the energy, environment, infrastructure and health sectors.

The launch of this new destination supports one of Etihad’s key goals of offering the people of Abu Dhabi and the UAE access to as many of the world’s capitals as possible and ensuring Abu Dhabi’s role as a hub between East and West, North and South. Etihad expects to add New York as a destination in 2006.

To the US in 2006??? How will they fare with the FAA red tape???

Cheers!

[RevMan2]

one of Etihad’s key goals of offering the people of Abu Dhabi and the UAE access to as many of the world’s capitals as possible


YYZ is the capital of which country?

Ian Ferguson Brown, you are the Weakest Link, goodbye....

[AMX10]

Well anything is better than YKZ which in my opinion would have made an ideal connection from AAN, the Middle East's capital of round abouts. 2 of them in font of the airport alone!


:E :E :E

[wallflower]

I am sure that i am not alone in my feelings of anticipation.August 1st should hopefully bring all of us in Etihad some news about long overdue changes.Will we all be celebrating?Lets hope so!

[fullforward]

Check you PM, please.

[AMX10]

keeping our fingers crossed!:p

[wallflower]

Seems I was wrong to get excited about the new CEO..Everyone was expecting BIG CHANGES especially in the ops dept and what happens?.......Nothing!.Corruption reigns at ETIHAD.What a shame,a great opportunity to make a great company....wasted.

[gccpro]

Hello Boys!

August first!

[Engine777]

Guys,


Give the man (the CEO) a chance. Fast changes doesn't work always. anyhow already there is new blood in EY and I am sure thaty it will pick up.

Keep hoping!!!!!

:p ;) :D

[Zomp]

Hope the new CEO gets rid of the italian G.E. who was in Lauda Italy then Alitalia where he got kicked out after a few months and then was taken back in Lauda. They should check his logbook everybody in Italy knows that he was an ATC and not an AF pilot.
He can't get a job in italy anymore that's why he ended up here.
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[tinamdfaa]

Well I thought that they should rid themselves first of that Omani Scholar, who only left behind him a trail of deceipt and chaos while he was in Bahrain.

I was shocked to find out that he was taken on by Etihad, he is an ignorant, lying pretentious xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, with a record of corruption like no other, ask anyone in Gulf Air.

I'm getting tired of cleaning up posts littered with gutter language. Your first & last warning. Welcome to the forum. 4HP

[gccpro]

First thing he will need to do is asphalt and cover tha parking lot.

About time it starts to look like a corporate office and not a barn entrance.

[flynbyu]

Well WB and GR are now gone, any guess as to who will be next?

[fullforward]

It is very impressive the absolute abscence on this Forum of any objective and unbiased plain information regarding EY T&Cs and howgozit being at there.
Hello insiders!
:confused:

[gccpro]

Fullforward;

So many of the folks at EY are from dodgy backgrounds, that no one dares open their trap for fear of being shown the way.

If any astute choice was made in recent weeks it certainly is in the selection of RS. He will undoutedly put an end to the Gulf Air/Volare way of doing things and usher in the material and know how EY should be made of.

At this stage all I can do is wish him luck in his endeavour, him and a few others who have been true to the aspiration of the airline deserve a well needed break to make their impression.

I would stay posted and watch as the program unfolds.

[jan brady]

Ahh....we can all breathe a sigh of relief..Thankgod those two are gone. Shame a few of their friends are still hanging around..Won't be long now though..
Perhaps its time to start looking at the Cabin Crew department management??? There are a few space wasters there,that's for sure..
New VPO was an excellent choice!!

[RevMan2]

Can you give us the lowdown on the new VPO?

[flynbyu]

People say the new VPO is a nice guy to work with, but in reality what are people going to say when they are worried for there jobs and the VPO got his posting in a pretty downright ruthless way instigated by himself and 2 others.

Only time will tell whether it was a power struggle just for the trophy title or if his interests are actually in the airline.

Not even one public word for the work WB and GR have done for Etihad. I do think that was a bad show on the CEO and Flt Ops department. They seem to have forgetten the work that they actually did do and have just focused on old stewing rivileries. The way it was handled is also a nice clear indication as to the ruthlessness of the new CEO and upper management. If they can remove a VP and his deputy in less then 24 hours without anything more then an email stating one has resigned for better opportunities and being replaced effective immediately and no mention of his deputy going shows nothing but a lack of class.

As much as many people didn't think much of the two who have left, Etihad handled it very poorly, which like I said gives a wonderful insight as to how the CEO operates.

I don't think it necessairly means a bright and rosey future for Etihad. To me it looks as though it will be the same sh*t different pile.

[west of 30w]

Flybyu, You have obviously been on a planet far far away for the last year or so, so I forgive you.
The new VPO and his team have finally given Etihad a chance at the future that this airline should always have had. They are a good bunch of people with nothing but the ultimate aim if making Etihad a true global player, with a reputation to match.
You mentioned that WB and his deputy had gone, was his deputy not HW, and he is still here.
GR was just a guy who was out of his depth swimming with the big fish, its a shame people have to lose their jobs, but for the benifit of Etihad its best in this perticular case.
How was it you would have liked EY to have handled the change, maybe sent out a ballot and we the troop could vote to power our new leaders? No really going to happen.
finally you also seem upset that they did not publish the two dearly departed's list of good things, if indeed they do publish this should they also publish all the bad and illegal stuff they (may!) have do too? I assume you dont want that list?
Maybe the "lack of class" is damming these people, as you seem to do, within 24 hours of there appointment, they deserve our full support, the only way was up.
To suggest its the same old same old strikes of someone who is badly informed.

[flynbyu]

Everyone knows in Flt OPs GR ranked higher then HW, hence the deputy. Apparently HW will be staying on by invitation of the CEO.

How was it you would have liked EY to have handled the change, maybe sent out a ballot and we the troop could vote to power our new leaders? No really going to happen.

== I never mentioned anything about casting votes, the only thing I thought was done in poor taste was the message the company has sent out to the company as a whole and its affiliates as to how a highly visible position of VP leaves with no thank you from the company. I have seen others leave also on bad terms but the company always had enough tact to thank someone for there services via an all company email. The image given by the CEO's office over this matter has actually upset a fair number of people and also worry a lot of people within the company who are not insiders in the politics involved. 98% of the work force has no idea of the internal politics of upper management and the CEO has just come off looking basically like a tyrant.


The CEO has been around for longer then 24 hours. I am not damming anyone. Not the new VPO, he hasn't been around long enough for anyone to draw conclusions.

My post is more about how the CEO has conducted himself and his image to the company with how it was all handled. He just didn't come out looking like the wonderful approachable, open CEO he claimed in his welcoming as you must also remember even though you pilots are essential to an airline you are not the only department and his image goes across the whole company. so while one department maybe be very pleased there is actually about 10 otherdepts where alot of us people are saying WTF just happened.

Either way karma has a funny way of sneaking up on people.

[gccpro]

Those of you in doubt, WB wasn't Kosher material.

To be let out so quickly is not a matter of choice for him considering the integrity the organisation has to keep.

Etihad cannot do with the liability of individuals of the like of WB and some others like AY who are still in.

The situation although only recently has shown tremendous improvements, and EY is becoming a choice airline to work with.
Employees are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and the smiles are back on the faces....

I also reckon that it has now, beyond the flash of press spin, become a contender on the market provided the CEO clears up on the admin and commercial side as well some of these parasites that have no other job than to disturb development and implementation. To name but a few the LSG waster and his Indian X-EK Cronie who are both appointments EY, thanks to SAS will come to regret if it has not already.

I say cheers to RS and I am sure many of you will join me in wishing our EY colleagues best of luck in their future as a real airline!

[wallflower]

FLYNBYU


What a stupid thing to say,why should people be afraid about losing their jobs.The new VPO is a rare breed in etihad with an excellent background.As far as expecting a eulogy to sing the praises of WB,GR then you must be trulymad.WHY on earth would anyone think they will be a loss to Etihad.Walk into any ops building now,the atmospher is no longer one of intimidation and i am sure that i amnot theonly person to feel that.Also FLYNBYU I am not afraid about losing my job,why should I be?as i havent done anything to be afraid of(perhaps you have?RS has done well so far and has made a good choice with CC.Although i must say the theory about a conspiracy was very funny,have you not been reading pprune for the last few months?Anyone reading the threads associated with Etihad wasl left in no doubt that changes were imminent .WB knew what was coming,how could he not?He and GR and HW made their beds!Good luck to the new ops team.

[jan brady]

:( So where from here???? There will need to be quite a few more kicked out yet!!! He has a very large task ahead of him yet.... Get rid of Cabin crew management (all) of them, they do not know what is going on, and they are the hold up of progress, and how the crew feel on line... As to the so called Line supervoisors, well the old VPO picked them out, as his bit of fluff, and they got away with bule murder...provided they did what he wanted them to do...:yuk:

[gccpro]

I will second Wallflower in adding indeed that the new team is what Etihad needs, subdued, effective and experienced with a reputation to match. Not one of these attributes would have closely fitted anyone on the WB team. and to those of you still in doubt, WB wasn't Kosher material.

To be let out so quickly is not a matter of choice for him considering the integrity the organisation has to keep.

Etihad cannot do with the liability of individuals of the like of WB and others like AY in finance who is still in.

The situation, although only recent, has shown tremendous improvements, and EY is becoming a choice airline to work with.
Employees are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and the smiles are back on the faces....

I also reckon that it has now, beyond the flash of press spin, become a contender on the market provided the CEO clears up on the admin and commercial side as well some of these parasites that have no other job than to disturb development and implementation. To name but a few the LSG waster and his Indian X-EK Cronie, and that faggot in staff travel, some appointments EY, thanks to SAS and his abysmal vision will come to regret sooner or later.

I say cheers to RS and I am sure many of you will join me in wishing our EY colleagues best luck in their future as a real airline!

[Gendec]

What about that man who is always walking around with his hands in his pocket and the red spot on his forehead?

Seems to have nothing to do apart from waiting for providence to appear in the form of the boot.

Before 2 pm pls!

[9876]

Get rid of Cabin crew management (all) of them, they do not know what is going on

Jan
I would imagine that EK was pleased to see the back of them in the first place.

[fullforward]

Check your PM please.

[gccpro]

Heading select

Fullforward chk pm pls

[frenchguy]

I will come the first week of september to start my new job as cabin crew, I was recruited in Abu Dhabi by the section head of cabin crew! I would like to know if I made a mistake to accept this job!

[airbusflyer3]

Well since things are changing for the better now to ask the question that nobody could answer for me so far:
Is there any kind of agreement between EY and QR or EK not to take their pilots? Formal or informal, rumor has it that a lot of QR pilots in particular are applying for EY especially since they started accepting 320 applications..that comes as a surprise :O :O

Anyways, the rumor is a couple of the guys were told that they can not accept them except after 6 months from the time leaving QR !!:confused: :confused: How would they go around thinking this would happen ? Is anybody supposed to leave the company he is working for, then after six months apply to the prestigious EY? and its not like after you are accepted.. no just get your family on the street first with no income and then have the pleasure of applying:confused: Ya right

[fullforward]

It seems that this is a fact, from a search here. Too bad.

Good luck!

[cayenne]

I don't believe there is any agreement between the companies. There are several Gulf Air pilots at Etihad. If your company will give you a "No objection" letter, basically saying that your present company has no problem with you quiting them to go work for the competition, then you can apply and join right away. If not, then you have to quit your job and leave the Gulf for six months. Nothing to do with the "Prestigious" Etihad but with the UAE labour law.

And to the rest of the Etihad bunch, lets stop airing our dirty laundry here for a while and give these new guys the chance they deserve.