Jetstar misses out

[Stall Margin]

On the 24/8 2004 many engineers most members of the ALAEA signed a document requesting ALAEA involvement in their current EBA negotiation.To this date their has been no union involvement despite the complete breakdown of the EBA with the company putting it to a vote without hardly any negotiation with the staff.Needless to say it was not passed 66% against.Reading the latest E-Torque from the Union,Jetstar was not mentiioned once despite the e-torque mentioning a myriad of other companies.I would like to know why the union has allowed no engineer pushbacks and no pre-flights at jetstar and why the union does not want to help their financial membefrs

[The masked goatrider]

Because the senior officials of the ALAEA are in favour of a tarmac without LAMEs. They will get "looked after".

They have allowed it in at Jetstar unnopposed. The next thing they will be convincing the Qf boys that they need to remain competative and accept change. Thats why it's been thrown into the Qf EBA negotiations.

We've all seen it before though.

[AN LAME]

Thats why it's been thrown into the Qf EBA negotiations

It's statements like that that prove what an ignoramus you are goatrooter. The oportunity to take protected industrial action to support the Preflight through 'legal' industrial action was prevented by yourself and some sadly misled MEL members when they petitioned the AIRC. The loss of the preflight will sit squarely on your shoulders - you imbecile :mad:

[Stall Margin]

One day you walk into work,do a Pre=Flight for the first flight of the day which is the only pre-flight you do for the whole day and then the company let's the EGH do the headset and the arrival and pushout of the aircraft.One day the engineers were doing it via towbar and tug and the next day the EGH were doing it ALL with the power push machine.Watch out QANTAS this is coming your way if you let it.It makes for low morale as the engineers do not talk to the pilots anymore and only assist in the fuelling of the aircraft and only attend any defects that sometimes are not passed on by the pilots or if they are the EGH does not pass them onto engineering until the last moment which can occur delays and quite often does

[The masked goatrider]

Just a quick question AN LAME, why didn't the ALAEA suppport Jetstar when it come in there? Where were they?

Edited to remove real name!

[AN LAME]

My guess, goat rooter. is that since Impulse didn't have preflights as part of their system of maintenance by reason of having grown from a bugsmashing outfit to a fully fledged airline, CASA were too soft to impose similar requirements on them once it was too late.

But remember it was you and your ratbags who prevented any legal action being taken now - idiot

[fistfokker]

Are you guys having trouble finding the professional engineers rumour forum?

At least be civil or perhaps post somehwere else.

[Stall Margin]

Good question gaotrider !Thats exactly what i would like to know.I have been a financial member for many yearts but am rethinking this now as their obvius lack of interest stnks

[Kiwiconehead]

why didn't the ALAEA suppport Jetstar when it come in there? Where were they?

They did, they put up a billboard, and made a website................. :rolleyes:

[The masked goatrider]

Yes David it’s true that the Bugsmashing outfit grew into Jetstar with their prior system of maintenance in place. The original question from your valued member Stall Margin relates to the ALAEA and the lack of support to prevent the no-man transits when Jetstar implemented it.

He is not asking why the maintenance system is such; he wants to know why the ALAEA didn’t use its Industrial muscle to prevent it. Where were they when Virgin went down that path? It went in unopposed there as well without stoppage to any aircraft ops despite a resolution of the Exec that mass stop work meetings would take place if it ever happened.

As for the Qf lameless tarmac, I thank those behind the petition to the AIRC. Without it we would be all on nightshift by now. Full credit to every Domestic engineer and half the International ones who initiated bans without ALAEA support. We thank the members who ignored Shane, Mick, Ferdus, Tim and SF and continued ot bans despite repeated requests to get back to work. The members are strong and we will win the battle. I know this gets up your goat.

Stall Margin – read some of the other topics and take a look at glsol.

http://glsol.com/airboard/index.php

No need to throw in your membership, take part in the overthrow. It is well organized and every vote will be needed. There will be a time when the ALAEA stands up for the LAMEs and it’s not too far away. Until then we need to make sure they don’t throw everything away, they sure as hell are trying.

[Orville]

Rider of goats isn't it going to be too late when the next election is held?

Isn't this the last EBA that the ALAEA will reside over?

Is Qantas pushing their reforms ahead earlier than planned because they fear that at the next election all the yes men will be gone?

Is it feasable that one day all engineering in Aus. will be controlled buy one labour supplier and they would then be contracted out to handle all Aus. based and overseas customer aircraft?

The jet engine overhaul in Melb. is jointly owned by Qantas and Patrick, two companies in competion but sharing labour costs within the engineering field. No loyalty required to get the job done in engineering as it is strictly controlled by procedures and law, no one need ever work harder and faster again because it is not your airline competing with the opposition.

Overseas single MRO's supply labour to competing airlines and even operate out of the same offices, the job gets done.

Interesting times ahead...............will you still be here to see it all unfold?

[Stall Margin]

To all concerned ,it appears there is some confusion here! The Jetstar EBA and the QANTAS EBA are two entirely seperate stand alone documents.Jetstar have offered avionics LAME's 100,100 dollars which is inclusive of all dil days etc whilst Avionics LAME's at Eastern get 90,000 with all dil days.They only work on one type dash 8 whilst we work on two.At present wage at jetstar is 90,100 for Avionics on both types a long,long way behind what other operators are paying.Management attitude"If you don't like it you can leave".Well we shall wait and see! The ECC committee wants people to vote on the original proposal and vote YES despite the fact that this same proposal was voted on a month ago with an overwhelming NO vote 66% againt it.What has changed,Only increased threats by company management that Newcastle will lose the heavy maintenance contract.It seems the majority of people who voted no have rolled over due to unveiled threats.A very sad day indead!

[AN LAME]

goat rooter your ignorance of the real world knows no bounds

[Kiwiconehead]

whilst Avionics LAME's at Eastern get 90,000 with all dil days.They only work on one type dash 8 whilst we work on two

Avionics (EIR) LAMEs at Eastern will get as of 1st July $62500 plus an averaged penalty of between 38%(MEL) and 48%(MQL) with SYD falling somewhere in between due to different shift combinations.

This works out as between $86250 and $92500. This includes an average of all Pub Hols and DILs. SYD guys still get RDOs due to working over 38hrs per week. MEL & MQL work 10.85hrs for a 38hr per week average.

The $62500 includes 2 type payments as before the introduction of the graded wage structure it was succesfully argued in the IRC that the -300 was of sufficient difference to earn an extra payment.

When the -400 turns up, a LAME signing EIR on -100 thru -400 will go to $64500, or between $89010 and $95460 for what is nearly 3 types.

$100k for 2 sounds OK.

[Stall Margin]

Thanks for putting me straight kiwi!At present we get 90,100 for E,I and R on the A320 and the B717.If the proposed EBA passes it will be bumped up to 100,100 dollars.Jetcare at present for a single type B737-800 are getting 107,000 base + bonuses which take them up to nearly 120,000.Not too bad all things considered!