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Freebird17
30th Apr 2005, 21:33
Following on from the "Apostrophes" thread.

I'm in current flying practice but others reckon that they're in current flying practise.

I'm adamant that it's practice with a 'c' in this context.

What do you think?

EDDNHopper
30th Apr 2005, 21:38
The practice.

To practise (brit.).
To practice (am.)

McAero
30th Apr 2005, 21:40
defence or defense? :}

Loki
30th Apr 2005, 22:02
licence or license?

Let`s (note apostrophe!) call the whole thing off.

tart1
30th Apr 2005, 22:05
F17 - I think you are correct!! :cool:

If we ignore american english (only for simplicity, no offence intended) it would seem that practice is usually a noun and practise is a verb. You are correctly 'in practice'.

Well, that's what it says in my dictionary anyway!! :D

B9
1st May 2005, 12:46
An 'easy' way to decide whether it should be 'c' or 's' is to substitute the words choose or choice in turn and say the sentence out loud. The correct one sounds correct.

McAero
1st May 2005, 12:51
I will not choose to make that choice.

compressor stall
1st May 2005, 12:59
yup, practice is the noun.

Ice is a object therefore a noun....that's how I remember it.

Hagbard the Amateur
1st May 2005, 19:25
The 'c' in 'practice' comes before 's' in 'practise' in the alphabet.

The 'n' in noun comes before 'v' in verb.

Apply c to n and s to v.

joe2812
1st May 2005, 19:27
You say tomato, I say toma...

...hang on a sec...

McAero
1st May 2005, 19:29
where are all these random "theories" coming from? I don't recall being told this at school.

is there a similar theory applied to other words like dior....diarre.....diaohre.....i give up....

cyclicmicky
1st May 2005, 19:34
I before E except after C............ Practice english
Practise a dodgy spelling .Full stop.
Night Night
:}

Grainger
1st May 2005, 19:36
There's one really weird word that breaks that rule...

scrubed
1st May 2005, 19:37
An 'easy' way to decide whether it should be 'c' or 's' is to substitute the words choose or choice in turn and say the sentence out loud. "I'm in current CHOOSE practice but others reckon that they're in current CHOICE practise."

Hmmmmm........

cavortingcheetah
1st May 2005, 19:39
;) Out of the quagmire of your semantic turpitude shall I drag you.

The noun ends in ce.
The verb ends in se.
In both cases, in the good old US of A, the ending is commonly ce.

That, I think takes care of that point of English usage. :p

McAero
1st May 2005, 19:41
There's one really weird word that breaks that rule...

CEILING :D

cyclicmicky
1st May 2005, 19:47
"And some fell on stoney..stony, sto... hard ... uncroppable... shitty... ground" Ah well , who gives a flying copulation!!!
:} :yuk: := :confused: :eek: :* :zzz: :{ :ugh: :\ :uhoh: :uhoh: :ok:

Grainger
1st May 2005, 20:19
McAero....

"...except after c ... " ?

McAero
1st May 2005, 20:55
....was just kiddin' grainger.....

neighbor, sleigh, weigh, freight,seize, weird, neither, either, foreign, forfeit, counterfeit, leisure, heifer, protein, geiger (as in 'counter'), height, sleight, feisty, seismograph, poltergeist, kaleidoscope

:8

Grainger
1st May 2005, 21:45
tee hee - so, more of a guideline than a rule...

Cornish Jack
1st May 2005, 22:13
Simplest way of deciding which is which is to 'parallel' practice/practise with advice/advise ... the first is a 'condition' the second is an 'activity'.

WestWind1950
2nd May 2005, 04:14
@compressor stall

it's "an" object, not "a" object ... always "an" before a vowel ;)

another rule: when 2 vowels go walking, the first one does the talking (nope.. that doesn't work often either... )

Westy

BombayDuck
2nd May 2005, 05:28
Westy

"An" before a "vowel sound" as opposed to a vowel...

i.e. "A United Front" v/s "An RAF aircraft"

:)

cavortingcheetah
2nd May 2005, 07:23
:) Yes but it would be, 'A Royal Air Force aircraft.'
Before letters of abbreviation the rule is that the use of either 'a' or 'an' is determined by the sound of the letter it represents.
Thus, 'A RAF aircraft sounds wrong.' 'An RAF aircraft' sounds correct. So long as the usage is consistent we may do as we please.:D

henry crun
2nd May 2005, 08:18
A quote from a BBC report on the deployment of the Mars Express radar "We need these data - there is a competition here. Wlodek Kofman, University of Grenoble"

That does not sound right to me, I think it should "this data"; or is "data" singular and plural ?

What does the team think ?

Grainger
2nd May 2005, 08:47
"datum" - singular, "data" - plural

"these data" is 100% correct.

McAero
2nd May 2005, 09:09
If it was Dubya that said it then it wouldn't matter. He has his own rules for the spoken word.

He talked good England :}

k-lo
2nd May 2005, 10:40
Isn't it also supposed to be "an" before an h?

As in "It was an historical moment"?

flapsforty
2nd May 2005, 10:43
Only if you speak cockney ;)

cavortingcheetah
2nd May 2005, 10:46
:) Grainger is correct.
'This data' is a solecism as distinguished from a barbarism.
The word solecism comes from the corruption of the Attic dialect among the Athenian colonists of Soloi in Cilicia. But then, we all knew that anyway, did we not?:E

McAero
2nd May 2005, 12:21
'This data' is a solecism as distinguished from a barbarism

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

XXTSGR
2nd May 2005, 14:01
Certainly "an" before "h", such as "an hotel".

The one that confused me when I first saw it was someone who runs a "restaurant" is not a "restauranteur" but a "restaurateur". Can now see the logic - just stick to the original French. Can't see Drapes liking it, tho'! :8

McAero
2nd May 2005, 14:57
Doesn't that just make the person a restaurant manager?.........by the way, the "an" before "h" is a lot of cobblers. Who on earth says "an hospital" or "an house".

:p

Spotting Bad Guys
2nd May 2005, 16:59
I was once told that the word 'facetious' was one of only two words in the English language to use all five vowels in order.

Is this true? And if, so - what is the other word?

SBG

cavortingcheetah
2nd May 2005, 17:00
;) Mc Aero, hello.

'This' is singular.
'Data' is plural.
In order to be correct : 'These data'.
A solecism is an offence against grammar or incorrectness in the construction of sentences.
A barbarism (quite apart from many other things) is incorrectness in the use of words.
I avoid bonny clabber like the plague.
Yrs aye, as it were. cc.

;) Ho yes, the H bit.
\'An\' used to be used before an unaccented syllable beginning with h. An hysterical scene, pehaps? Don\'t aspirate the h.
Hope that sorts matters out.:)

McAero
2nd May 2005, 17:58
I understand the theory a bit better now. What is a single bit of data called then?

cavortingcheetah
2nd May 2005, 18:21
:) De data.:p ?
Nope:
A datum. But its use is, as you may guess, rather rare.
;) Datum-line is, of course, the line taken as a basis.;)
I think I need to absquatulate.:suspect:

McAero
2nd May 2005, 18:27
Too many big words!!.......brain overload!!!.......arrrrghhhh!!! :p

XXTSGR
3rd May 2005, 02:25
Of course, a restaurateur may also be an hotelier! :E