ALAEA ups bans

[fordran]

The ALAEA Federal Executive have voted to up the current EBA bans by refusing higher duties and secondment work.

Further details/debate on

http://glsol.com/airboard/viewtopic.php?t=135

[The masked goatrider]

That wasn't part of the plan????

Maybe thats why Deahm just got the ar$e:O :p :ok: := :D :)

[the mustang ranch]

is that right BD just got the arse!!! can any one confirm this and shed more info on possiable replacement.

[lucky7]

Just heard it from a mate in Sydney that BD has elected to call it a day. Don't really know much more than that.

[The masked goatrider]

Not only did he get the ar$e. He got it in the most dramatic of circumstances. Security were required to escort him off the base because he wasn't exactly part of a one man voluntary redundancy package. It was forced upon him due to a number of circumstances.

What now of all the scabs who bent over to please him during the unnofficial overtime bans? What of the ALAEA President who announced that he was chosen by Bruce to be the next President? What becomes of all the ALAEA dogs who look to him for protection?

We might not need to wait until next July. The wicked witch is dead.

He has 3 weeks leave then he will be allowed to return and bow out gracefully. I look forward to his speech.

[sport]

I can recall someone posting in one of the threads a few months ago that if they got rid of BD, thats all the bonus they would be seeking in the EBA.

[Mean, Nasty & Tired]

Word on the tarmac is that a trio of fearless amigos made an ill-advised trip to texas to see the wicked landlords in their ivory towers.

They sought restitution for all the peasants in our land, pleading our case before burning eyes and snarling lips but they had an ace up their sleeves for they asked for it not in gold but in blood.

Adios Mr Potato Head, a great leader leads by example not by force.

To all those sharks circling the floater be very aware the goodwill well of all LAMEs has dried up, it's time to pay the ferryman or become a floater yourself.;)

[Orville]

Suggest that BD departure may be a sacrificial one. Has he left because he refused to take out the axe and chop off the heads of the those who refuse to toe the line. Is this an indication that he may well have grown a back bone. Has he had a show of emotion and could it be that he was the LAME's best friend?

Is the executioner about to arrive?

Who ever he is he will be the "Grim Reaper" the end may soon be here.

[Turbo 5B]

Well..it must be time for us to all go out in sympathy.
He was a member of the Asn Exec....wasn't he?

[Son of Brake Boy]

I guess a relevant question amongst all the celebrations would have to be....

Where is David Kemp?

On 'leave' for a couple of months with Tim Heywood sliding into his role quite nicely and given the previous history, one would have to be a little suspicious!

No one seems to know where he is, including Executive members.

Perhaps he's already been groomed and given promises of controlling OUR union and its activities!

Congratulations to all on this first battle victory. Remember though, the war's not over yet.

Maintain the Rage

[the mustang ranch]

don't pay the ferryman untill he gets you to other side.
DF to be the annoited one --and now we will know what pain really feels like.
this saga has just begun a chapter has just finished ..there are many more to come.

[Orville]

There is a more sinister play at foot, we have only seen the first scene, what will be 'Act 2' and will we be ready.

All those with ideas lets discuss them so they can't come from behind.

[the oracle of life]

a caretaker will take over for a short time --many will sit on the throne/ there will be many pretenders but only one will stand up--- DF- to be the new gm line maint--- the dark years will be fallen the land..

the oracle know's all:ok:

[Turbo 5B]

Speaking of people disappearing.. Has anyone seen that useless moron Trustee 1 anywhere?

[fordran]

Fat farm maybe? He should be writing our next EBA update informing us about the higher duties bans. SF are you going to tell the members or have the ALAEA lost its rudder with Bruce outed?

[vortsa]

On another forum Trustee 1 wrote.

Grunt I don't know what your sources are but they are grossly incorrect at this time.

[the mustang ranch]

all quiet on the western front- i wander what there up too.
will the ALAEA take the next step and ratchet up the pressure .
maybe ban all relief work for out stations.---who will be the next casualty and what side will he come from. will there be peace talks. ---no i don't think so .... i think we are just getting started.

stay tunned.:confused:

[amos2]

Ah! yes!...the ALAEA...

wonderful, wonderful organization!!...

especially back in 89'...

we are so fortunate to have these guardians of the skies in our midst, still!! :8

[vortsa]

What point are you trying to make ......spit it out........dont beat around the bush.........89 wasn't a milestone in the ALAEA history book.

[amos2]

You said it!...not me! :8

[The masked goatrider]

Yes gents you are both correct in fact the ALAEA have never had a milestone in their history.

[Turbo 5B]

What about 4 April 2005? The first time they've had bans of an industrial manner since the great carpark dispute back in the 80's (not counting jetsmart of course).
Although I have to admit that the O/T bans were left so far open for abuse by the company, and individuals that can't bear to not work o/t for a couple of weeks for the benefit of the whole organisation that they're not really genuine anyway.

[fordran]

We all know about last weeks demise of Mr Potato Head but has anyone seen or heard from Mr. Qantas since the beheading? I just wonder if Bruce has access to a computer from home.

[right wing]

:* You are joking, right? Wake up to yourself! BD posting here? Idiots, the lot of you! I have sat here reading long enough. Time to get involved. Yeah, I know, I am setting myself up for some nasty posts. What you do not realize is that no one of signifigance posts here! (Myself, included!) So, post away! It all falls on deaf ears! Bunch of old ladies, as I see it!:bored:

[amos2]

Meaning??!! :confused:

[vortsa]

Yes you are correct no one of any significance, as you say, posts here. I take it what you meant to say was, those who hold the key to our future and live in ivory towers NO LONGER POST HERE, because I can assure you they once did. Another fact that may have eluded you is that where they no longer post here they sure as hell still read the thoughts of those who do. :ok:

[the oracle of life]

and what about the rumour --about BD starting at VB/JC engineering--well thats all it is a rumour started by the artfull dodger(JM) and sucked in hook, line and sinker by people starving for info on the demise of the great leader.

the oracle knows all:ok:

[rammel]

I'm not in engineering but was the reason VH-QPE was in PER for almost 2 days because of the good weather in the west and people needed to spend time with their families. This in turn caused QF83 ex MEL to be canx and no one told the CSM so she turned up ready to operate but there was no one there.

It seems that this is the only thing that management will take notice of when it starts to cost a heap of cash.

Keep up the fight,

Rammel

P.S I also heard of another a/c which was in PER with 21 MEL items, I thought this was a large number or is it about the norm.

[sport]

And how ridiculas is it to be transferring cabin defects into the Tech log as if there aren't enough deferred defects now. Every piece of trim and cabin that would normally be picked up on an 'A' check or overnight is now being logged by cabin crew and then Mandatorily logged by the Tech Crew. This takes up a lot of valueable time that should be used else where.

[Son of Brake Boy]

Well are they defects or not?!

If an aircraft is not in A1 ,tip top, condition does this then constitute the need for attention from Engineering.

There has been a lot of talk recently about how 'good' a Hold Item is. A Hold that could potentially down an aircraft (dare I say a cat ' A' MEL) would be considered a 'Good' Hold, whilst an aircraft with pathetic paint and thus a bad image for QF would be considered a 'Bad' Hold.

Both require Engineering to rectify the problem, but in an airline run by Pilots and accountants the fact that paint is a form of corrosion prevention is somewhat lost.

And what are we to do. Wait for these defects to be found on 'A' checks? If we can get enough guys to work on the aircraft. If we can get enough time to rectify the defects. We dont have enough time/manpower as it is to fix problems, just do the inspections and hope you dont find anything.

This is a problem with an obvious fix no one wants to admit. We have a severe shortage of qualified Engineers able to perform the necessary tasks and until the issue of staffing is addressed we will continue to be pressured by management to cut corners in order to make the system work.

Train and Employ more staff. Stop looking at what it costs you and start looking at what it SAVES you!

Maintain the Rage

[vortsa]

Some airlines are using security personnel to do a cabin condition report after their security check, and you should see the Sh!t they report. They also think that a frayed edge on a Partition curtain is too important to not follow up to find out what the Engineer did about it. You have to draw the line somewhere, next they will be giving passengers a post flight report slip to complain about there problems.

Still if they want to keep reporting defects( however insignificant they might be) then you and I will be around for a long long long time.

I would like to know what percentage of delays have been attributed to completeing the deferral of cabin defects. Only yesterday I had a technical defect that took the whole transit, which was completed in time for departure, but alas, I had no time to action the miriade of cabin defects that had been transfered into the tech log. Therefore, the aircraft was delayed while I sat and completed my duties.

[AN LAME]

SBB

Well put :ok:

[fordran]

The beloved QF 83 Mel-Hkg has just been cancelled again this evening due to a maint problem. You can't help bad luck.

[Son of Brake Boy]

Heard an interesting story tonight from Maint Scheduling in Melbourne....

Apparently a few nights ago a 737 was due for an 'A' check in BNE (beautiful place!) but complications arose where the aircraft was U/S'd in Melbourne. Another 737 was due for an 'A' check in Melbourne as it was on over run, but it had to be deferred.

The U/S'd aircraft had approx 10 hours to go before it was to be grounded due to the inability to apply an over run to an over run.

Once in the hangar, the 'A' check was carried out, but the aircraft was grounded for 3 seperate defects.

Thats right....3 seperate defects were so severe in nature that either of them would have grounded the aircraft.

Be very thorough in your inspections guys. The standard of servicability is slipping, and at the end of the day we'll wear it for the company's 'cut backs'!

Maintain the Rage

[Kaptin M]

My sons and I are booked to fly on Q in the near future.
You blokes had bettter make bl@@dy sure that the aircraft are not carrying any defects that compromise Safety in ANY way.

It's a relief to know that you're not letting your professional standards drop, despite "commercial" pressures from above.

Keep it up, guys - for Safety's sake...and ours' :ok:

[Son of Brake Boy]

What is it with QF 83?

I've heard the flight to Hong Kong has been cancelled twice in the last week due to maintenance problems.

Can anyone shed some light? If its true the wheels have already fallen off after about 3 weeks of simply refusing to do O/T!

Maintain the Rage

[Mean, Nasty & Tired]

:ok: First Mr Potato Head - Mashed

:ok: Second The Ginger Ninja TH - falls on his sword

:p Who's next ? Hey Grey man, you got itchy feet

You gotta love it

[rammel]

The QF83 was not the only flight canx that week. QF67 PER-HKG, QF188 HKG-MEL, QF83 MEL-HKG both legs and then QF83 both legs once again in the week.

It seems to be an avionics fault to do with flight control systems.

[Turbo 5B]

It would be nice if the ALAEA could give an update meeting or two on the success or failure of the bans.
Wont hold my breath waiting though... even if they'd like me to.

[qf_conehead]

This overtime ban is a joke. Even with 99% of assn members refusing to do ot on any a/c. it is the 1% that is completely negating any effect of the other 99%.

Thursday i was talking to someone from SIT and they were telling me a sit lame (ex-ansett) is providing licence coverage in DARWIN because all the 737ng guys are complying with the assn 's directive and not making themself available for overtime.

When he was confronted about it, he claimed that it wasnt 'overtime' as such, but he was in fact receiving time in leiu of days worked so it didnt come under the o/t ban.

He was also advised by the powers that be, that he should stay in his hotel while hes up there, and only come near the airport if he is required. i bet theres a few blokes up there waiting to 'shake his hand'.

I'm an ame and i honestly dont know how you guys can look at yourselves as a union, your a joke....let me rephrase, i know the majority of you are wanting to make a difference, but there are far too many in the assn that get away with completely disobeying union directives!!! you guys have to take action for yourselves - not wait to hear it from some douche bag exec that lives under managements desk.

I hope to get a licence soon and i sure as hell wont be joining the ALAEA, id rather take my chances by myself then waste my membership fees and still get f**ked up the a$$.

[company_spy]

Heard today that the ALAEA has decided against incorporating bans on higher duties and bringing everyone back on the floor. Suppose to be imposed next Wednesday or Thursday. All the pissweak reps on OCS or higher duties probably realise it's not in their own short term interest.
Let's not pussy foot around guys. Either have the balls and go out on the grass or just take 3% with back pay and get back to your own pathetic lives. If you don't you'll be screwed.

[Turbo 5B]

Hey Cone head . Put the guys name or initials on the forum or on GLSOL. Make sure that every one knows who he is.
If not, the toilet walls at work make a good canvas.
By the way join the ALAEA. Youu can't change it from the outside.

[numbskull]

The ALAEA have notified the IRC today that they are escalating industrial action. The timing to be around Thursday next week if the Company refuse to begin talking.

I presume It will be "no higher duties" ban as rumoured. QF will presumably not agree to talks as they have already warned people on various secondments that they will be returning to their crews to resume their normal job description.

Check out ALAEA website forum under EBA 7 thread. You will need to register to gain access to the employer specific forums.
www.alaea.asn.au

[vortsa]

From another forum over a week ago Bexley suggested that the bans would not be escalated, But then he is on the inside.

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Richard Slicker Posts: 34 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:45 am Post subject:

Although we haven't heard from the asn the Fed Exec have voted to up the bans in 2 weeks to no higher duties. Was that part of the plan Bex?
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Bexley Posts: 32 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject:

And to you Dick slider, It will never happen. I will leave it at that._________________Lifes to short
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[The masked goatrider]

I hope to get a licence soon and i sure as hell wont be joining the ALAEA, id rather take my chances by myself then waste my membership fees and still get f**ked up the a$$.

Why not join so you can voice your opinion and take part in the overthrow of the current Wallys. There is a team ready to lead for the members and without management influence. You can vote for them in 12 months time but you can't if you aren't a member.

Would you like to see SF have his little Empire taken away. Are you happy with TH and his mates selling agreements that we don't really want. I'm not so I remain a member to end the rot. I hope you join for the same reasons.

[Stall Margin]

:mad:

Woomera

[The masked goatrider]

I can understand selfish basturds who couldn't give a damn about the others the work with but what do these scabs do when their children grow up and start asking questions. How do you sit down with a 22 year old son, look him in the eye and say "Yes son I was a scab and I want you to be just like me".

[JETTRONIC]

well it looks like the sh*t hit the fan tonight in CBR. No E&I cover for the 738 and it came in with an fmc fail. Grounded:) Then anouther 800 came in with a dead FCU. With one lame on the fcu then there were only two lames left to run the tarmac, so you can only guess what happened. Yep! mass delays you little ripper. Cop that Mr D. So two A/C up against the fence and heaps of delays there, how can they say this industrial action is not affecting QF. Bullsh#t!!!! All I can say now, is bring it on....:cool:

[Turbo 5B]

The thing that amazes me the most about these people is that they pretend that they are looking after #1 but all they are doing by not sticking with the rest of the boys is reducing their conditions in the long run. It is the most senseless action around.
And How The **** do they think they got the major conditions that they enjoy now ...like long service leave etc.
No. Our predecesors put in the hard yards and stuck together and fought for our rights. these slimy people cant even stand up for themselves.

[Kaptin M]

He would have had some excellent mentors in the pilot ranks, during his time with Ansett.
It's surprising how only these people have families to take care of - or so THEY'LL tell you!

[the mustang ranch]

who is this person - he should be named/shamed.

No he will not be named. If there are any names this thread will be removed!

:mad:

Woomera

to the person in DRW.... how can you look your fellow LAMEs in the eye and your family and say--- when the LAMEs fought hard and stuck together to achieve a satisfactory EBA out come ... I was in DRW stabbing them in the BACK...

[Mr Qantas]

He is happy to go there and others were going in fact if he didnt. Its nothing any decent lame wouldnt do anyway. Go read the notices idiots overtime is baned not releif work so leave the bloke alone hes just doing the right thing. Just cause we have bans doesnt mean you dont take care of the airline if you just delay the aircraft the passengers will go elsewhere. Have a think about it fools and by the way I havnt been sacked.

[Sunfish]

Glad the resident village idiot is still around. You obviously have absorbed the FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) provided by QF management really deeply. In other words, you really believe that the "passengers will go away" (and take your job with them) if LAME's do not accept 3% and roll over and do whatever is required of them, despite the fact that QF has an iron grip on airline capacity into and throughout Australia.


There is only one way that the passengers "really" will go away.

And that is when an overstressed LAME, makes a maintenance error.

[sys 4]

MR QANTAS you really are showing yourself as a fool,what are you going to do, come the end of the week when higher duties comes into play,nothing i would say as steam clean should operate business as usual.TWIT

[fordran]

Is it really going to happen or will the asn chicken out?

Can't wait if it does go ahead. What happens if the DMM goes off sick? The place will fall over.

[jakejet]

Although I'm Cabin crew I have been reading your site with great interest, I agree 100% about these people, how can they sleep at night, to me its one of the lowest acts one can do to another human being.
look at what happened to us during the last EBA, they trained hundereds of people, sadly most of them came from within QANTAS, at one stage they were going into their managers office and were upset that they had not being asked to participate against us.
Make life miserable for these C***TS.

[Woomera]

Whilst I understand the passion this thread may evoke, this forum has rules to which all agree when they register.

No one will be named, no matter how subtly or obliquely.

Long experience indicated use of that "S" word should not be permitted.

Whilst Woomera have edited certain posts, the thread is not being censored - unlike allegations against your association web site.

Transgress the rules and your access to this thread will be restricted.

Woomera

[Stall Margin]

Sorry bout that woomera will cease to name names in future

Heard from a good source that syd domestic line in trouble.With no DMM on crew 1 the shipo is rudderless

[the mustang ranch]

sorry about that woomera---- can we use low life C:mad: T instead


Mr mustang ranch will be enjoying a short break whilst he writes out long hand 100 times "I must not piss of the Woomeri nor use abusive language.":mad:

[vortsa]

I would suggest that " the mustang ranch" is deliberately trying to push you to removing this thread, for reasons obvious to the rest of us. Those of us that respect free speech also respect the parameters we must comply with, and if anything should be deleted then set the horses free.

[Kaptin M]

The "S word" - how pathetic, coming from a supposedly mature adult.

The word is neither slang, nor a profanity.
It was coined to indicate the low level of esteem in which wilful strikebreakers/blacklegs are held within decent societies that follow long established rules of accepted behaviour.

"The S word" appears in the OED and all other well respected dictionaries.

Anyone who has been - or is threatened by - these lowlifes knows how THEY destroy the very fabric of the establishment.

That is my opinion Woomera - because I, and hundreds of acquaintances, HAVE seen (and felt) the effect of these people when their actions were condoned by others.
And, for the record, ALL of those who VOLUNTEER to take strike-breaking action, do it IN THE FULL KNOWLEDGE that they will be labelled "S(@8S".

Why is 1 particular Woomera siding with them?

"Sticks and stones....."

Please edit or empty your mailbox W

Done, as requested. K.M.

[Turbo 5B]

There is another name that is usefull in this situation. It 72227.
(If you need help look at a telephone keypad.)
Honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about. Is it offensive to label an unnamed person a 7222.
Or is it only offensive if you give the 7222 a real name.
Either way the most offensive type of person in the workforce is a 7222.
You don't see too many of them going in the front door to break work bans.
And in response to the Cabin crew person who made coment about his own group offering to backstab their own colleagues,that doesn't suprise me as during the great AME dispute back in 2001 the most vocal opposition we got at our picket lines was from hosties in their cars as they drove through telling us that we were lucky we had a job and to get back to work.

[JETTRONIC]

Hey Dude's fairly new to this site but got a few questions????
Am new to QF engineering, been here about two years and immigrated from the regionals. I'm all for the industrial action and have been doing my bit as well :} but just how long do you think this is going to last??? I guess you guys have been through this before but how long did it take last time. With a new little one on the way just wondering if I should be looking at getting some part time work.

Ow! by the way MR Qantas just delayed a 738 for three hrs. For some reason I just couldn’t find all the info I needed in the AMM to get the hunk of junk going, even though normally I would of just let it go. :ok:

Now I'm just pissed off!!!

[qf_conehead]

In regards to the higher duties ban.

Im sure there will be more fine print like there was in the over time bans if it ever does eventuate.

it will cause a lot more problems than sections having no supervisors dmm's.

Think of all the people on secondment. ie - the blokes involved in anything a380 related, weather it be in sydney or the blokes in tolouse. The whole thing would be majorly disrupted if the lames doing that went back on the floor.

All the people who are seconded to office duties for OH&S crap, most of them are licenced. Im not sure, but would the company be able to operate without all the seconded OH&S people? or would workcover eat them alive.

I also think that if they do carry out a blanket higher duties ban there will be alot more people doing that unspeakable word because they will only be seeing the short term. What do they care? they are involved in the a380 project, or their working their way up in the oh&s/corporate environment.

You guys really need to just take it outside the gate for a day or 2. In the slim chance that it achieves nothing, atleast us ame's and apprentices will get to sit on our asses all day, unless the managers come out and start using their pens. Come to think of it, I would actually enjoy that even more than sitting on my ass all day i think!!

[jakejet]

yes you're right, I remember that all too well, those idiotic hosties were an embarrassment to us cabin crew, from my recollection we did comment on onboard about those idiots,but I can assure you that 95% of crew were embarrassed by them.
I used the 7222 word in my post, I,m only new to this forum, I had not idea that it was regarded as offensive and I cannot see why! they are 7222 and to me they are the lowest form of life.
they undermine us.
I cant see the point of this forum when they ban the use of "that" word, I was surprised, I thought forums were set up so we can openly discuss our opinions, when I was censored It was like being at the QF workplace, don't so this, don't say that!
Woomera, why are you so against this word?
:ooh:

[Woomera]

Jake

Over the past eight years or so the issues surrounding a previous industrial dispute have been done to death, time after time, ad infinitum. Threads have degenerated to the point users have been banned – not for their opinions either way on the dispute, but solely due to their conduct in this forum. Consensus will never be achieved.

Indeed, the owners and publishers of this forum have been threatened with legal action for libel and defamation. As a result, a decision has been made not to permit that word due to the emotions it generates.

Regarding Kaptin M’s totally erroneous allegation – no Woomera is siding with anyone. The Woomera team have always conducted their moderating of this forum in a professional and fair manner, never permitting personal opinions (if indeed they have any personal opinions on the issues) to cloud their judgement.

Lastly, the title of this thread is ALAEA ups bans. The engineers are entitled to their opinions without flack from the side lines, provided the posted opinions are in accordance with PPRuNe rules.

We will not permit thread drift into other issues.

Woomera

[vortsa]

I have just seen the latest notice to come out of the ASN and it is as I predicted, with out any ban on Higher Duties.

weak, weak, weak, weak

[rudderless1]

ALAEA Notice out today, Qantas wishes to meet, ALAEA offers to suspend ban for 24hrs.

Quote "This action has been taken by the Federal Executive in response to a request by Qantas for a meeting "to explore the potential to reach an agreement"in regard to EBA vii. (Note: it is Qantas' policy that the company will not meet with the Association while industrial action is in place. )"

Meeting today 1400 in Sydney.

[fordran]

Interesting to note that they decide to meet the day before the bans are upgraded. Why the hell didn't we step it up earlier?

Bans will be off completely by this time Thursday (in good faith)with the ASN supporting an offer by the airline based on the old "it's the best we could do in these difficult times." It will include a transmission of business clause.

Will the ASN be first to allow transfer of business without redundancy. Every other union in Qf holds it's breath as the 7222 union wheels and deals. It is their turn with the TWU signing off first last time.

[The masked goatrider]

Now lets see who's batting for the members. The bans will never reach the higher duty ban. It was never part of the plan. A motion introduced by an outsider and somehow passed by the Executive. Wish I was there to see the look on Bruces face when the phone call come through. Heard he's enjoying retirement.

[Orville]

This is the meeting where the company will give a little, but only if you accept by ..... date and ......lift all bans til then....... or we will remove any back pay

[hannibal lector]

Lets get 1 thing straight out there, the current bans are useless.... Q: Why is overtime allowed on customer aircraft??? We at dom are doing it tough while our brothers down the road manipulate the rosters so they are rostered on qf aircraft and do overtime on customer. So much for solidarity.
Q: Why does our fed. pres. do overtime on customer aircraft?? Should he not be leading the way and lead by example. We have had enough. Blanket ban on overtime(no execptions). No higher duties. No secondments. No project work.

[Son of Brake Boy]

hannibal lector

100% in agreeance with you there on a 'blanket' O/T ban.

I've heard so many International Engineers say that customer work is what keeps them in a job and so we have to look after them etc.etc.

Lets get one thing clear....there IS a shortage of LAME's....there IS a DEFINATE shortage of experienced LAME's....and do you honestly think QF handles other operators to keep YOU in a job? Dont kid yourself! We all know the only language our near sited managers understand....$$$!

If customer aircraft are not covered and depart late, QF wears the costs. With agreements between airlines QF MUST fulfill its obligations to third party operators. If they cant they are penalised financially.

Dont forget why the bans are in place, and how they can be lifted ( short of undertaking to 'explore the potential...' baloney).

QF management hold all the answers. Treat your employees with a bit of respect and give them a descent EBA. How much pain they have to endure is up to them.

Do Not bend to the first offer gentlemen. We KNOW there's more in the kitty....how much goes into our pockets or managements pockets is upto each LAME.

Maintain the Rage.

P.S. The bans so far ARE having effect, but a 'blanket' ban will bring them to their knees.

[Turbo 5B]

i think that instead of lifting the bans so that qf would talk to us, we should have said we won't lift the bans until they negotiate in good faith. Stay in the drivers seat and don't blink first.

[sys 4]

F@^KEN WEAK C*^TS the bans should of been increased once qf asked them to be lift,they will only come back with 3% because they know how weak the exec is,the meeting will be a waste of time and it will only remove any momentum we had.these twits must be removed next election

[Mr Qantas]

This is a load of sh1te whinge all you like our future is in good hands as long as all you sh1t stirers are only posting here.

[hannibal lector]

The only thing that will be looked after by inept exec is the company. For years they have been asked to provide a proffesional negotiator for our EBA's but all we get is a team of company orientated men. They show more balls trying to sue fellow members than standing up to the company. As far as you go MR QANTAS your protector is gone, you will be next.. To those who tried to break the overtime time bans in SYD domestic, we know who you are. Your PIMP is gone. We will never forget YOU.

[sys 4]

looks they got an in principle agreement today, no details though when i rung the office

[QFBUSBOY]

Looks like business as usual.

I hope that the Exec come to us with a more than reasonable offer.Otherwise what is the point of discontinuing these bans?

Has anybody heard what this in principle agreement contains.

:hmm: :yuk:

[sport]

So the company can catch up on their time limited defects and then survive for another 2 months when you reject their offer, followed by another lifting of the bans ... and so on ... and so on

Stay strong and consider that the family still needs you home on these cold nights, enjoy spending more time with them with or without official bans.

[Redpanda]

Hey guys, the bans may have been lifted, but lets not just jump staight back on the gravy train................. Wait until we see what the offer is! I dont want to help the company out until they can come out with a reasonable offer, and show us a bit of respect for a change.

Stick together, and grow a backbone!!!

Maintain the rage.

[Mean, Nasty & Tired]

"We've been sold out we've all been F@#KING SOLD OUT"

Hope you're thirty pieces of silver weighs heavy Judases

[hannibal lector]

my apolagies oracle but i meant the 3 guys MPH tried to get to break the unofficial o/t bans !!!!!

[notasheep]

Was having a beer with a fellow Lame on the W/E and told me about this ex ansett Lame in Darwin doing relief. I made a few calls and read some of the forums re: this matter only to find i have no faith in what i read anymore.
I was told by darwin that there have been lames covering for ages and when this guy was up there there were two others there from bne covering mech i am also told there were Lames in CBR doing relief, why do we not here about these on the forum.
There was no o/t or time in leu in fact im told the lame in question had a great holiday.
Im also told if this lame did not go the lame he was covering would be pulled from course,well this is all very different from what you read.He did nothing wrong.
I suggest you do a bit of research before hitting the keys,it
only lowers the standard of this forum.

[grubbysubby]

I can't believe the balony I've read over the pages in this post. You people have completely missed the point....the real pain train hasn't arrived yet. Now that Mr Potato Head is gone, and the Lib's are about to get contol of the senate, the Australian Workplace Agreements (AWA or individual contract) are coming. There'll be transmission of business for ETOMs to a seperate CAR 30 or 145 org which is a requirement if QF plans to comply with the new regulations!

Then QF as the operator can demand whatever the heck they like, by simply rewriting (with appropriate approvals) their manuals. They will be the customer and they will demand anything that meets their service level expectations/agreements. :ok:

[ZIP TY]

:ugh:
The LAME will soon be extinct if we don't standup for ourselves now!
QF were hurting with the bans and what does the ALAEA do? lifts 'em!!! The AMWU didn't and the company still talked to them and they got 3% with NO comprimise's.
why are LAME's different? Perhaps we deserve our reputation as spineless :{