Eft & Uniform....

[SAMIR786]

Just wondering how strict EFT (USA) are with uniforms.

I am going in a few days for 2 weeks to do my PPL and was wondering if I could get away with wearing brown loafers instead of the black!

I really dont want to spend money on something I will not utilise after these two weeks.

Any advice???

:confused:

[heinzmanm]

Yes you should be fine with brown shoes.
I'm here at the minute so will look out for you in a few days time

Matt

[BEagle]

From the EFT website:

"Uniform

By training with EFT, you are becoming part of a professional training environment in every respect. This necessitates a strict dress code, and you will be required to wear a uniform at all times whilst at school and during flights. EFT's uniform consists of black shoes and trousers with belt, and a white pilot shirt with epaulette holders. Short sleeves are worn at our USA base, and long sleeves and tie at our European base (except in summer).

To complete their uniform, students will be awarded stripes according to course in accordance with the following system:


PPL student one silver stripe
CPL student two silver stripes
IR student three silver stripes
FI student & above four silver stripes"

What complete and utter twaddle! Why should you, as a PPL customer, be told what colour shoes to wear? I agree with a short sleeve shirt and trousers, but a poseur's pilot shirt with little silver stripes? Oh purrrrleeeeeze! A polo shirt and jeans would do.

I doubt whether their fashion police will let you wear your brown shoes - but why bother going to somewhere which demands such nonsense for recreational flying training? Or suggests that you buy your own fuel strainer and fuel dipstick?

Presumably they check that you've cleaned your shoes every day and award you demerits if you haven't? And how many pilot shirts will you need to bring with you if you have to fly for 21 days in a row?

[prunster]

I might wear their uniform, but only if they paid for and provided it!!

I can't see how it really matters although I know most schools carry on like this. It is extremely pretentious however to be wearing stripes until you are at least on-line. Using them during training really smacks of a "Y.T.S." mentality!

I know that a school will insist that it increases the professional attitude. I disagree with this as it depends on the individual as to how they conduct themselves and judging by the amount of flying students who happen to end up in the local or in Tesco's whilst in uniform, it's simply a poorly used way to try and get laid!

If you're are paying for your own training then wear bloody brown shoes, flip flops, trainers or jack boots. As long as your clothes are clean and not with offensive messaging then who cares?

[Farrell]

SAMIR!....and others

I am at EFT at the moment. EVERYBODY has to wear a uniform. white pilot shirt, black trousers, belt and black shoes. you will be issued with a one bar eppaulette when you do your first solo.

if you are coming over to do your ppl in the minimum of 21 days, i wish you good luck. i have been here for almost 5 weeks now and have to go home tomorrow, with no ppl.

the weather has been a major factor most of the time, but there have been a lot of problems with aircraft as well. but let me state, these problems are general maintainence problems and i have had a lot of bad luck with airplanes going tech. this is aviation and it happens - aircraft that went tech on me were normally sorted out and serviced in a few hours, it was just that when they got them back onto the ramp, the weather turned!!

the staff have been nothing but exemplary, the instruction has been first class. i have not been overcharged or screwed over in any way, in fact in some areas I've received more than what was offered.

Incidentally, EFT works directly with Ari Ben Aviator (they hire Aviator's airplanes). Mike Cohen, the owner of Ari Ben - has bent over backwards to help me out during my time here. He sorted me out with a hire car (which is not a wreck as has been previously mentioned, but a relatively new model sedan) - I can even get the car serviced and washed once a week free of charge if it needs it.

He has been nothing but straight up with me since the day I arrived, and the same can be said for Trevor Brackston and the entire EFT crew.

I'll place a full post of what my EFT / Ari Ben experience was like when I get back if people on here would like me to do that.

Wayne

[Farrell]

"As long as your clothes are clean and not with offensive messaging then who cares?"


contradiction in terms buddy..... now you're dictating what we should wear! (remember, even a Nike logo can be deemed offensive in some circles! :) )

Wow! The mods are hot today!! ;)

[SAMIR786]

Well I asked Trevor this morning and received an email stating "no you don,t need a uniform".

So I will go with that!

[Vee One...Rotate]

Too right. The PPL is not a professional licence and you should be allowed to wear what you like. You're their customer!

V1R :ok:

[SAMIR786]

For the record...I have recleared it with Trevor...and his answer remains the same (NO uniform for PPL needed).

I just think its much more enjoyable to fly with clothes that one feels comfortable in.

I guess I would never have known if hadn't asked a day before I am flying out!

Anyone wants to bid for two pilot shirts I picked up from ebay?



:ok:

[prunster]

Sorry Farrell but remind me again why a Nike logo is offensive in some circles?

Hope you feel proud of your stripe. Don't get me wrong, going solo is a big deal but when schools have their students playing make-believe pro pilots then it's going a bit far. Getting the good habits and attitude in early is important but the average young male takes the stripes crap all wrong! Save the flash stuff for when you've really earnt it.

Please fill us in with some more gratuitous name dropping and pseudo advertising for your flying school as you've promised. I for one have baited breath!

Have fun Samir, good luck with the weather in Florida. It seems that summer is cranking up over there and with it comes those daily Cb's...

[SAMIR786]

Cheers guys.

I have 4 weeks to do between 25-30 hours.

I am pretty sure it can be done!!!

[WX Man]

DONT GET ME STARTED ON FLIGHT SCHOOLS THAT MAKE YOU WEAR A FREAKING UNIFORM!!!!!!!!!!!!

How pretentious can you get?

FWIW, I was in talks with EFT (Florida) and I asked about this. They said that they don't require it, but strongly encourage it.

That being said, I would never go for my £637 test with the CAA chappy without white shirt/black trousers/black tie. But as for wearing uniform whilst you're training.... GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SAMIR786]

Couldn't agree more!!!!

[Farrell]

Sorry Farrell but remind me again why a Nike logo is offensive in some circles? (child labour ring prunster)

Hope you feel proud of your stripe. (i do.) Don't get me wrong, going solo is a big deal (agreed) but when schools have their students playing make-believe pro pilots then it's going a bit far. (i like to view myself as a pro-pilot i.e. being safe, good airmainship, no making rash judgements ;)) Getting the good habits and attitude in early is important but the average young male takes the stripes crap all wrong! (just so we're clear prunster.....how should 'we' take that stripe?) Save the flash stuff for when you've really earnt it. (i've really earned my single stripe mate, but that's just my opinion)

Please fill us in with some more gratuitous name dropping and pseudo advertising for your flying school as you've promised. (sorry mate, didn't promise that at all......again, just offering my opinion based on my own experiences at the place)

Have fun Samir, good luck with the weather in Florida. (Yeah, good luck Samir, especially with the weather......and don't forget to check out the gorgeous girls at the Tiki restaurant!)

[prunster]

Thanks so much Farrell for putting me so firmly in my place. I've never felt so silly, I'm sure.

However, once you get to join the rest of us on line, you'll realise how pretentious the wearing of stripes at the training level is, as 'WX Man' says too.

I'd be happy to issue you further instructions on how to 'take your stripe' if you want, but I guess you know what I'll say!

Remember you offered more name dropping and advertising if people were interested, and I can assure you I am, for one. As you're the apparent 3rd Wright brother, I am sure to learn from anything you have to say.

Look forward to being your captain in the future dear boy

Prunster

[Oooh what a greaser]

Okay, so if you've been paid for by an airline to go away on a course through sponsorship, then I guess you would wear a Batman suit if that was the requirement. :rolleyes:

If you are spending your own money though, then as long as you are reasonably presentable, and comfortable in the your own clothes does it matter? You are there to learn - your dress sense isn't going to make a difference to your learning ability. You are the customer at the end of the day.

As with WX Man, I dressed casually during training, but presented myself smartly for the Examiner. The school I trained at said they wanted me to feel at home, relaxed and to enjoy my time with them. I did, and passed.

Uniform wearing will come with the future airline / instructing job whichever comes first. :cool:

[cosworth211]

Im with wearing a uniform, even at training stage. Being a pilot is about many qualities, of which one is proffesionalism and presentation. I start with EFT on their APP in september and will wear a uniform through out, not to show off but to learn values. As so many wannabe threads state there are few jobs and those who get them are those who make the difference and put in the extra mile.

[WX Man]

Okay, so if you've been paid for by an airline to go away on a course through sponsorship, then I guess you would wear a Batman suit if that was the requirement

Precisely!!!!

I was forced into wearing a 'uniform' for my CPL. As a result I was uncomfortable all the way through the training and resented the school for that (and other things).

I use 'uniform' in the loosest sense of the word, because a uniform should really be issued, or at least supplied by the same supplier. Like when we were at school and mum took us to the school shop and fitted us with blazers and disgusting coloured ties.

(Hmmmm, jumpers for goalposts and all that. Enduring image isn't it?!)

[charliealpha]

I trained at EFT and I was requied to wear uniform for flight training, but in their defence, they want the students to be on a professional level, and the uniform encourages that. Often they do not require basic or fast track PPL's to wear them, but you must under the APP programme and on the commercial courses and higher.

I found all the EFT staff to be helpful and knowledgable.

I would recomend to them to anyone who is serious about flight training as a career.

My experience of reading pprune is that the people who complain are the ones who are substandard pilots and non-acheivers.

[scroggs]

Most UK Public Schools (Private Schools to the rest of the world :p) insist on the wearing of uniform, and they can be even more expensive than flight training! If a given FTO wishes its students to wear uniform, that's their prerogative. You, as the paying customer, can take or leave their product as you wish. For every uniform-wearing FTO, there are plenty that prefer a more relaxed style.

Scroggs

[Fair_Weather_Flyer]

I should imagine that most of the EFT students are a long way past school age. Making them dress in Grange Hill style uniforms does not promote a more professional image. After all didn't Ziggy Greaves and Tucker Jenkins wear uniforms? Look how they turned out! Not exactly airline material were they? Then again perhaps things would have been different if they wore epaulettes; just like EFT.

Being a professional is about many things, wearing a fake airline pilot uniform complete with four bar epaulettes is not one of them; that's just naff.

[scroggs]

No-one is forcing anyone to go to this or any other school; you have a free choice of where you spend your money. What you don't have is the right to tell the school how it should conduct its business, so long as it meets the required standards and offers a reasonable product. It must be said that if you don't like uniforms, maybe airline flying is not for you!

Scroggs

[Farrell]

..........................sigh!............................. .......:rolleyes: