crew rest seats

[Fellowship of the drink]

To all CX pilots. .. . I work for an Asian Major and I would like to know if CX provides crew rest seats for long haul double crew flights (in addition to crew bunks) and what class the seats (if any) are situated in.. .. . Rumours are that we're losing our crew rest seats in Business class. 3 economy seats to be blocked for crew rest instead. Management citing space beds take up more room thus reducing the number of business class seats available. . .. . Would greatly appreciate any input <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . .. .Lord of the drink

[jtr]

4 Man long haul, no seats, just bunks.. .. .post script, Used to have `love seats` on the -400, but no longer I believe. . . . <small>[ 30 March 2002, 03:54: Message edited by: jtr ]</small>

[smallwing]

jtr, as i remember (not sure if actually changed), that we are told by flight attendants that those love seats on long hauls are only released with captain's discretion.. .. .Short hauls on the other hand, you have two seat of your own!. .. .Cheers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[mole]

Just proves that those posting here know absolutley nothing about CX. With 4 crew complement two bunks and two C class seats (immediately behind the flightdeck) are provided.. .. .With 3 crew complement rest seats are not an entitlement, however, gentleman's agreement says that they should be sold last. In my experience they are invariably sold, even when other C class seats are empty.

[Kubota]

Mole is correct. ULH (flights exceeding 12 hours), 4 man compliment, usually Capt, Relief F/O (Senior F/O), F/O and S/O. Two bunks in the flightdeck area as well as a dedicated washroom within the flightdeck area. In addition, the the "honeymoon suite" (two seats immediately aft of the bulkhead on the STBD side) are for in-flight rest. One (and only one) may be given away by the Captain for a jump-seater.. .. .On any other flights, these two seats are available to be sold (AND MOST OFTEN ARE).. .. .JTR and Smallwing = wannabe's

[jtr]

Fellowship, my apologies for not being more specific.
On the A340 on long haul greater than 12 hours i.e. 4 man crew there are no in flight rest seats provided. Merely 2 bunks. Airbus fleet office have an deal with the cabin crew which allows one crew member to sleep in the lower deck crew rest area with the girls as the top bunk behind the cockpit is only about 1.7 metres long.

Kubota and mole, my apologies for daring to post info re the -400 that was incorrect, even with the disclaimer of "I believe" In future I shall research all aircraft type we have before trying to help someone with a question:rolleyes:

[Fellowship of the drink]

Thanks for the replies fellas,


What about positioning in CX? Is there a minimum class and maximum duty for flight crew positioning? My company books us firm on Economy for all positioning (upgradable as last priority to first or business) and no max duty time for positioning.

Current record is almost 24 hours to Las Vegas via Seoul and Frisco. High possibility in Economy all the way. Is there an AOC FTL re positioning? I would appreciate any contribution as our companys positioning policy is getting a bit out of hand.



One Beer to bring them all and in the darkness bind them....

Lord of the drink.

[smallwing]

Kubota, us staff of CX calls it the love seats, not the honeymoon seats.

Reasons were that they used to be blocked off for cockpit usage, but because of revenue purposes and upgrade of J class, they are now fully open.

Enjoy the 400s while you can because in a couple of years, they will phase out like your buddies.

[Kubota]

Well, there you go...

Smallwing is a normal, gweilo-hating local! What a surprise.

FYI (For Your Information) "smallmind", here's a quote, from Cathay, regarding some sevices:

"From 1 June, Cathay Pacific's service from Los Angeles to Hong Kong will increase from 7 to 10 flights a week. From 1 July, the airline's service from Vancouver to Hong Kong will rise from 11 to 14 flights a week and flights from San Francisco will switch from being served by an A340-300 to a higher-capacity B747-400."

There are some things that a 747-400 can do that an A340 can't do, like carry 360 passengers. So it will be "phase out", eh?

For every two 747-400's that will be "phase out", we will need 3 A340's, and that means...MORE GWEILO's! Bit of a Catch 22, but then again, "smallmind" you won't know what I'm talking about because "hello kitty" comics haven't brought out a 15-page edition of Catch 22, have they?

[jtr]

Fellowship, off the top of my head, (and I am sure I will be corrected if it`s wrong) there is no limit to the amount of positioning we can do, provided we are legally rested before next operating. As for class of travel, it varies with sector length, rank, seat availiability etc.




Kubota.... so much anger, try switching to decaf.:confused:
You may want to reassess your estimations of the scarebus, the - 600 will carry 360 pax in 3 class with cargo, and can still get off a cont rwy in YVR without having to tech stop "I`m told "

[reliefer]

to small wing, i hate to bring it to you, but cx will never have only locals crewing all flights. right now cx is having problems recruiting cadets who care and/or know enough about flying (aviation), while being able to speak english well enough to pass icao standards. if you think i'm lying, look into it. even ask amy at cx cadet recruitment. i respect asians flying for cathay. i am asian and i made it as a pilot. but don't be against gweilo flight crew. a safe pilot is a good pilot no mater what backround. especially if he or she loves their company.:)

[smallwing]

Kubota and Reliefer,

Perhaps I am mistaken from my last statement. I have nothing against gweilos. I grew up among them and have utmost respect for them.

When I meant phase out, I meant what is ALREADY phased out, and that is the 48ers.

What I also don't understand (this is not of the topic) is that FAA flight training is not taken highly anywhere else in the world but most people wants to fly the Boeing!

Kubota, Kubota, smallmind is that you go out of your way to rag on people being wannabes, but if being a pilot is anything being like you, then I am no wannabe.

Enjoy your roster.

[smallwing]

reliefer,

CX is so full of politics that not even the bosses know what is what.

As for flight recruitment, that is a joke. They hire people who are AFRAID to fly (cadets), and recently heard someone was not suppose to pass the physical did so (rumor). I have many friends with english backgrounds and some aeronautical experiences get rejected.

Perhaps you should go and ask Amy and Peggy what is going on. Or better yet, Ms Lucas.

Cathay should have no problems hiring people, if they hire the right ones.

I also have strong belief that what kind of union is IFALPA if what their so called ban is hurting their own union members by not allowing them to apply for the job. I hope the AOA will wake up and smell the coffee. Bygones be bygones.

[reliefer]

smallwing, i have to say i agree with you on the politics issue at cx. when i originally inquired about employment with cx, i talked with andrea. (lucas) she is quite friendly, i must say you are right about FAA training. besides hk, and japan, i am also rated in canada and the usa. canada by far has the best training. please know i do strongly support asians in the cockpit at cathay. but i also support people in the cockpit who love their job, and their company, and not just money. by the way, i also have heard some scary stories in regards to so called cadets at cathay. it is quite sad that some of these kids are permited in our cockpits.:)

[6sha7]

I have met cadets who have CPL from Australia, Great Britain, and US before they join. CX does not have domestic flight like other national carriers. Cadets will face a big jump in operating an a/c after flying couples of hour in a twin prop. I believe the cadets try hard to survive among the big boys.:p

[ronnie123]

i am a wannabe SO with CX I say so without any remorse for myself. i hapen to have 1200hrs frozen ATPL , and if ever i do get in CX i know the learning curve is going to be huge, but its the duty of the far more experienced capts. to impart that knowledge
to "wannabes".