Zim Airforce Casa Crash

[Gunship]

From News 24 : A Zimbabwe air force plane crashed soon after takeoff from Harare International Airport, killing the two pilots on board, state radio reported on Friday.

The transport plane was on a training exercise when the accident happened on Thursday, an Air Force of Zimbabwe official was quoted as saying. The cause was not immediately known.

"Two Air Force of Zimbabwe pilots were killed on Thursday night when an AFZ transport aircraft, a Casa 212, crashed on take-off at the Harare International Airport," air force spokesperson Simon Matingwina told the New Ziana news agency.

Defence Minister Sydney Sekeramayi visited the crash site and also consoled family members of the two victims, Zimbabwe radio said.

Plane crashes of any type are rare in the southern African country, which has maintained high standards of aviation safety despite chronic economic difficulties that have affected the supply of fuel and spare parts.

Thursday's accident is likely to put a further dent in the reputation of Zimbabwe's defence forces after soldiers fired live ammunition in a mock battle staged at a fair in the eastern town of Marondera last September, injuring 14 spectators including children. :ouch:

Three Zimbabwe National Army soldiers were this week fined and two of them were demoted for their role in the incident. - AFP/AP

:sad: RIP :sad:

[Jacobest]

killing the two pilots on board


The transport plane was on a training exercise when the accident happened

So WHO exactly was training who or did the training captain jump out?
:ok:

[Rhodie]

According to the following list - that takes care of the last Casa... :sad:

• Chengdu FC-1 - lightweight multi-purpose fighter (12 claimed to be on order as of 2004, it is seen as a counter to the South African JAS 39C Gripen. The FC-1 is believed to be replacing the F-7)
• Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 - multi-role fighter (2 seen in 2003 fly past)
• Chengdu F-7 II/N - fighter (only 6 of the 48 delivered is believed to be operational while 3 have reported to have crashed in January 2001)
• Guizhou FT-7BZ - conversion trainer (2)
• Hawk Mk60/A - advanced trainer (all 13 is belived to be grounded due to lack of spares)
• Hawker Siddley Hunter FGA.9 and T.81 _ 11 remaining from the Rhodesian era
• SIAI SF260M/TP/W - basic trainer (6 belived to be operational out of 49 delivered)
• Boeing 720-025 - VIP transport (1 status unknown)
• BAe 146 - VIP transport (1)
• Yakovlev Yak-40 - VIP transport (3)
• Lockheed C-130 Hercules - transport aircraft (2 status unknown)
• Antonov An-12 - transport aircraft (1)
• CASA C212-200 - medium trasport aircraft (only 1 out of the 14 is belived operational)
• Britten-Norman BN-2A Islander - light utility aircraft (6)
• Cessna FTB.337G and O-2A - light utility aircraft (only 1 out of 23 delivered is belived to be operational, 3 where lost in operations in the DRC)
• Mil Mi_24 _ assault helicopter (2 lost in operations in the DRC)
• Mil Mi-35 - assault helicopter (thought to 4 although only 3 seen in 2003 fly past)
• Aerospatiale AS532 Cougar _ medium utility helicopters (2 used as presential helicopter)
• Agusta Bell AB412SP _ light utility helicopter (only 4 belived to be operational out of the 12 delivered)
• Aerospatiale SE-316B Alouette III - light utility helicopter (only 1 is belived to be operational, 2 lost in operations in the DRC

And so it goes.....

R

[Tachi]

A Sad aviation Story indeed may the dear comrades`s dear souls rest in peace. BTW how many casas has ZAF have.
tach

[Gunship]

Yeah Viva in hulle moer comrade.

I think Rhodie mentioned there is / was 14 of which the one servicable one aint no more comrade. :}

[Tachi]

sorry but I tend to ignore everything that rhodie says nothing personal just his name is unacceptable to me . It just has this bad boy image for the majority of zimbabweans Alurta Continua

[126,7]

Isn't it supposed to be

Aluta Contunia ??


Stem saam met Guns. Laat hulle in hulle moer in vlieg!!

[Tachi]

whoops. roger copied over and out.

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Tachi

Just as Mad Bob's gross human rights violations are abhorrent to those who wish to live peacefully in your country.

Don't you find this "comrade" crud so last century?

[Tachi]

Given the two options rather BOB than Rhodie you need to know the history well before you comment. East ,West home is best . My home and best is Zimbabwe. I guess you also have a home. VIVa Zimbabwe !!!! GO HOME.

[Solid Rust Twotter]

You are obviously one of the deranged one's minions. As a matter of fact I know your homeland well and what it was compared to what it is now is no credit at all to President Insanity. Many of your fellow citizens would strongly disagree with what you advocate.

[Tachi]

They are cowards they dont speak out neither do I until provoked See who they vote for in the next election ? Not my choice because i wont vote but theirs . All I said was Rhodie the name in itself is insulting to Zimbabweans and Rhodie himself Knows that. Its fact . I need to seat with you or better still call rhodie he may fill you in and give you what we went through for you to appreciate reality . then and only then are you qualified to comment from an informed point of view. I say again Viva Zimbabwe.

[Solid Rust Twotter]

..And how are you qualified to judge how informed my point of view is?

[Gunship]

:E .... aaahhhhhh a bit of (African) "spirit" on PPRUNE again ... was just getting worried for the past few weeks ... :E

[I.R.PIRATE]

VIVA HUNGER.....VIVA FAMINE....VIVA UNEMPLOYMENT....VIVA DESTITUTION.....VIVA SANCTIONS....VIVA CORRUPTION...VIVA GROSS HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS....VIVA PIGHEADEDNESS....VIVA CRIME....VIVA THE DESTRUCTION OF A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY....VIVA THE LOSS OF TOURIST DOLLARS.....VIVA PRESS CENSORSHIP.....VIVA ALL OUT FOR 13O...............YOU'RE RIGHT .......VIVA ZIMBOBWE !!!!!!!!!

[Gunship]

Some "hit parade" music for you Rhodie(s) ;)

http://www.finalsounds.co.za/FinalMusic/RWS.htm

[C4]

Tachi,
You are a JACK@SS..
Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about, and some serious issues on top of that.. Get help..

Hy kan sommer in sy moer in vlieg, weet nie waarvan hy praat nie. (waar is die K-Kar nou!)

[Gunship]

Relax oke's Tachi is a fly on the wall ... :E

... last post prior to this thread was nearly 2 years ago when he was searching for a job ..

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Gentlemen/Ladies

It doesn't do any good to attack the person. Doing that will just degenerate into a slanging match, possibly driving the person off. I'm interested to hear how Tachi justifies his stance and still waiting for clarification on a previous point.

[Gunship]

... seeing that we are on a thread talking about two "fellow pilots" that lost their lives it might not be a bad idea .. :ok:

[B Sousa]

Seems Tachi is all draped in the flag of Zimboonland. Good for him. Rhodie was born in Rhodesia so I guess its an appropriate name.

Gunns a question for you. It seems the general attitude between SAers and Zimmers is We and They. So since the crew that perished were in Zim, were they actually working for Bob??(At least in some sense as he no doubt scrapes and cream off the top of anything that resembles a functioning entity there.)
Are they not sort of Them than We?? Also if these folks were SAers working in Zim wouldnt that be somewhat of an afront to what so many of you stuck your necks out for??

I.R. Pirate makes a good point, but also one that is slowly becoming the sound of SA??
Comments.???

[I.R.PIRATE]

Nothing I'm on about takes away from the sadness that is caused by the death of one of our airborne collegues, HOWEVER....tAchi..... Heres a question for you.... Show me any country in the universe, that uses the terms comrade, and viva....that has made a success of itsself and has managed to climb out of the 3rd world gutter of dispair and misery? You do that, and you are free to chant whatever you want. Trying to stand up for Zimbobwe, is comparable to standing up for paedophilia. Wake up clown!!!!

[Tachi]

Whatever you guys say It does matter. you wont understand zim more than zims. Bad or worse I have no where else as home I better enjoy my home . Enjoy yours too guys . we need to move on..... . swearing and all does not help. Over and out.

[McGreaser]

The gist of the thread is that two pilots lost their lives at Harare Airport. Now whatever colour or whoever they work for is I think totally irrelavant. May their souls rest in peace. :ok:

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Still no answer.

Yaawwnnnnn......:rolleyes:

[Gunship]

Maybe Tachi has a point ... Zim's understanding Zim's and Rhodies understanding Rhodie / Zim is in a different league alltogether.

To answer Bert's question.

Mate a Zim is a Zim and a Saffer a Saffer.

A Rhodie is , was and always will remain a Rhodie (with a few exceptions) but I can not answer on their behalf.

And before I get into politics and discuss colour schemes ... I am signing off as I had a few beers in a country where the colour of your skin does not matter (something not normally seen around in Africa).

I am gone ... :E

[Chambudzi]

All I said was Rhodie the name in itself is insulting to Zimbabweans and Rhodie himself Knows that. Its fact . I need to seat with you or better still call rhodie he may fill you in and give you what we went through for you to appreciate reality . then and only then are you qualified to comment from an informed point of view. I say again Viva Zimbabwe.


Hey Tachi, speak for yourself sunshine and dont include me with your childish vision of Zim.
Im a Zim/Rhodie and Im not indoctrinated with all the Viva Zim garbage. Zimbabwe is a ruins in the South East and President Catastrophe named the country after the same Ruins. Nothing to be proud of there.
Maybe one day but not now.

Dont go away Gunns you know the country as well as any.

[Gunship]

He he he .. don't worry .. still here but know South of the border a bit better ;)

[clipboard]

Here we go again. Zimbabwe was previously slated on this forum.... and with good reason. It once was a beautiful country with beautiful places, parks, eco environment etc. Today it is still a beautiful country but totally :mad: . Destroyed by a syphillis infected despot called Mugarbage who has nothing better to do than slag off the British. Both him and Thabo say "Colonialism is dead in Africa". Well, I recently experienced just how allive colonialism is in Africa. Just go to a fancy 5star hotel in Harare. Man, they polish your shoes, wait on you, serve you and best of all, they have nothing good to say about the AIDS infected, syphyllis riddled Bob!:D

Everyone wants to see the end of him, but most of the people are too scared to do anything, because like in a pretty good communist state..... cross the president and you're eliminated forever. I mean.... just see what these barbarians have done to Roy Bennet and his family after he was jailed. Raped, murdered and attacked his farm labourers, beat up his wife and kids, stole his coffee and raided his farm. People in this modern society that think it is cool to commit acts like that, should have their heads read. Anyone who stands up for Mugarbage should be eliminated along with him.:}

Just consider how many Zimbamboons are working in this country? Why? Because they fear their lives and there are no jobs for them to earn money to feed their families. So they head South to good ol RSA. Damn menace, but one cannot help but feel sorry for them because who would want to live under constant threat and fear. Never knowing when you or your family are going to be eliminated?

That brings me to an allegedly very highly (European University) educated, senior SACAA Official. A Zimbabwean by birth, but working in SA for the SACAA as an engineer of some sort. There is no job for him in his field in Zimbabwe, so he came to SA and the SACAA snapped him up because his face matches their equity employment policy. A Zimbamboon working in SA, being paid in SA, lives in Bryanston, earns R500K per annum..... all OK still.... but in conversation will tell you what a great country Zimbobwe is and what a great "Statesman" "Mad Bob" is!:}

Now I ask you, what is a dude like that doing in SA? Why does'nt he "rock-off" back to Zimbamboonland and go and maintain airplanes there? This is one of the reasons why the SACAA is so :mad: d. A non south African, living on the fat of RSA, coining it here, but does'nt care a dime for SA. As long as he gets paid, he does'nt care. He's living a real good life here with no worries, and his brothers and sisters are starving. A guy like that should be deported. He slags off SA along with BOB, but SA feeds him and his family, and educates his children..... free!

Back to the airplane crash........ The newspapers report that the student was a junior flight luit, and his instructor a Squadron Commander and senior instructor. They were conducting assymetric training, and at the time of the accident, one engine was shut down. It appears, according to eye witnesses that the student was not able to cope with the situation he was put in. An Air Force spokesperson confirmed the above and said that assymetric training was very demanding, and that it normally places the student under huge stress. He confirmed that the student was not capable of dealing with the situation. Yeah right! Why train him to fly then? Just shows you that the instructor/squadron commander was a real d**s as well, for not fixing the problem before it got so bad that the sitation caused them to crash. Maybe he was'nt up to it either......:confused:

I mean.... A Casa is such an easy plane to fly. Two reliable Garrets, engines reasonably close to each other that minimises severe swing when one engine is shut down, and then there is the yaw damper. Man, I don't know.

What you say Guns? :ok: You've poled those around with CE huh? Remember the Tzaneen show? Easy as pie huh?:ok:

[Gunship]

Lo Clipboard,

Long time that TZ airshow ;)

Yeah I have a few thou on them ... then again a great pilot lost his life while training the Ciskei or Transkei pilot's.

Those levers can be dangerous - so can reverse thrust in flight ... we always flew with an engineer who would not let you pick up the toggles to go into reverse till touch down.

RIP Alwyn and Velle (2 Engineers not with us today) :sad:

All the very best,

Gunsss

[Rhodie]

Damn...

I had this whole reply ready for Tachi, but it has all been said so well by Chambudzi, Gunss and Clipboard, that I shall desist..

Mine would not have been put so eloquently or as succintly as CB Esq.

Tachi - Shamwari, come talk anytime.. you are even welcome to come and have a beer in my pub at home... that is, of course, if you don't mind the Rhodesian flag on the wall, the military plaques and badges, the pictures of the Hunters and Vamp's and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Don't forget - that was my country, as much as it is yours. I, however, had had my birthright denied, the land I grew up in, worked in and fought for has been destroyed - and you don't like my name...?? I don't give a :mad:

(OK, maybe just a little dig...) :E

Cheers

R

[Paterbrat]

Tachi anybody can be proud of the country where they were born and brought up, that is something that colours the soul no matter what colour you are outside.
But to continue to condone and support a man whose ongoing policies have condemned the majority of people he rules to hunger misery and the uncertainty of arbitrary arrest imprisonment torture or death.
A judiciary that is neither impartial or independent but is controled by him.
Armed forces who are sent out as mercenaries to fight foreign wars for profit and gain and all in the name of the freedom he promised them after Chimurenga, would seem to be the actions of either a very simple fellow, or, one who is an active participent in what is happening in the country today.

They were pilots RIP.

[joshua express]

Clipboard,
there seems to be a carbon copy of the Zimbabwian working for CAASA working for the Nam DCA - very high up. Would probably do a lot of Nam pilots a big favour as well if he mosied off back to his homeland to his great president.

(compare it to the reply by Skaz re. Namibian Licences ,"When will they learn")

Tach - do you mean what you say or are you just winding us up ?? Please let it be the latter.

[chuks]

I live and work in Nigeria, as an American ex-pat, a non-Bushman.

With that adage about people in glass houses in mind, what in the world does 'voting' in the commonly accepted sense of the word have to do with what's going on in Zimbobwe?

Of course if someone wanted to be unkind they might suggest that our own American presidential elections showed some flaws, but at least there was a semblance of avoiding being openly seen to be committing daylight robbery/murder.

And in Nigeria the former dictator, Ibrahim Babangida, has very kindly offered to serve as President. The man has a really big heart and no shame.

But, last time I checked the newspapers, Bob seemed to have everything arranged in the good old African president-for-life manner, making voting rather redundant. He 'forgot' to invite the African Union election observers. Senility, or cunning? Never mind, it's 'Bob good,' whatever tricks the old goat gets up to.

It seems that some people can do that double-think number here, ignoring the reality and going for the 'correct' political/racial stance. PC I believe that is called. Without it, what would we do for fun? Let the flames rise!

By the way: I think you will find it is \'La luta continua,\' meaning, \'The struggle (to build socialism/crush imperialism/whatever) continues.\' It\'s another one of those markers like the clenched fist salute and the use/overuse of the term \'comrade\' that marks a believer in Marxism/Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism/totalititarianism.

Curiously, their political soulbrothers, the Fascists, are in very bad odour but the Reds are still acceptable to the weakminded everywhere.

[ou Trek dronkie]

I believe the Portuguese for "Aluta Contunia" is
"A luta continua".

Mistakenly, I used it at Ciampino some months ago and got a very odd look from the guy I was talking to. It has strong Kommunis connotations this side and must be used rather carefully, if at all, unless you are a Komunis of course.

Quite a few of those in this land. In fact I saw a super big band from the PCI (Italian Communist Party) playing in Campo dei Fiori last year. Bass player was a bit rough, but they could swing lekker man.

Must go back and read the insults again. Such fun !

oTd

[contraxdog]

Gunns I see you mention the beers where colour dont matter. Do we by any chance have the same place in mind, the land of red green and gold?West of the Volta?
Dont tell me it took you six moths to fall in love with the charm of the place?

Guys, please lets start a new thread to slate the Bob a jaan. I dont think This is the place.

Two fellow brothers in wings took off and came back in the paper. They did assymetric training and lost it, and were most probably better aviators than me, and a couple of other fellow aviators I know.

Here's to you brothers, May you rest in peace, may I buy you guys a cold one, in the quiet cool place when I get there.

[ou Trek dronkie]

contraxdog

Ek stem saam. Time and a place for everything. A flier is a flier.

RIP boys

oTd

[Alfred Kamara]

rip brothers (not comrades) comrades are houtkops