Fly Who !!!!!!!!!!!!! [Archive]

niceguy

22nd Feb 2005, 22:46

Have to say I am a little confused. I know at least one person who was being interviewed on Feb 12th along with a dozen others so I cant imagine that the company would really have told people they would 'be in touch' before they had finished seeing everyone.

Are you certain they told you you would hear by the 12th??? Seems odd if they were still looking, that's all, and as the few posts on here seem impressed once they met the flywho people, I dont know why they would be impressive AND stupid at the same time. Not that it's impossbile, just unlikely!

Maybe a little wrong info going round here???

Stay cool. If they do it, they do it, if they dont, they gave it a darn good shot!!!

Iconic

24th Feb 2005, 11:18

Well just to let you know I called them this week to find out when they would be letting people know the outcome of the interviews and I was told letters will be sent out the end of this month. She did also say that the they had only just finished interviewing, but that wasn't for crew I dont think, perhaps ground, office personel.

Will post a reply as soon as I hear anything;)

330-Purser

24th Feb 2005, 18:50

So how did the interview's go out of interest? Was is the usual group stuff or was it something different? After all the fiasco with last years recruitment at flyblu I just wondered if they managed to make a professional job of it this time? Was that girl from Now Airlines still doing the recruitment does anyone know?

thereandback

25th Feb 2005, 17:45

Hi 330.

It was a grat day and FLYWHO are extremely friendly and professional - they made us all feel very very welcome.

We all met and then escorted to a room to have our passport and photos checked then taken to another room. we were met by the Directors and they are great upbeat approachable and determined.

We had to introduce ourselves then we had a talk from some of the senior guys about FLYWHO and they thanked us for been supportive over the last year as many of us had applied last year.

We did group exercises then had a break. they even provided tea and coffee !! -. then candidates were asked to go out and they did not get through. We then had the hardest test I have ever had lol lol lol it really pushed you to the limits ( well me and the other guys on the day !! ) everyone said how hard it was.

We then had lunch and then went back in for our 2 on 1 interview. this was great as well really friendly and they asked lots of questions and I really enjoyed it.

After that it was time to go home - and What I think was fantastic was that they gave us all gifts ( FLYWHO merchandise ) and they said thank you for coming and that was that. I thought this was a great gesture. I would love to work for FLYWHO if I get through. Its been a long haul ( excuse the punn ) but I think they have a fantastic product and they will get the best crew I have no doubt here.

SO I say go go go FLYWHO !! :ok:

Iconic

3rd Mar 2005, 10:17

Well people, letters are out for the outcome of interviews,
got mine this morning and have been successful!!

Looks like the venture will be getting off the ground after all and I for one can't wait!!!!

:D :D :D

Anyone else heard anything??

VIKING9

3rd Mar 2005, 12:15

Iconic well done for getting the job, but just be cautious is my advice. Until the aircraft is sitting on the ramp, nothing is set in concrete, and even then, it's still doubtful potentially.

330-Purser

4th Mar 2005, 07:04

If the letters have gone out, does this mean they have appointed a Cabin Crew Manager now?

Anyone know who it is?

Iconic

4th Mar 2005, 11:30

Well I cant be certain but I am pretty sure the woman who interviewed me with the ops guy is the Cabin Crew Manager. She seems like a really nice lady.

I know caution should be aired and air it I will, having said that sometimes you have to take risks in life, calculated at the very least. I still believe the flywho product is viable, bookings have been strong according to the management team and I was impressed to say the least at what they had to say during the days interviewing.

Even if it goes under after twelve months I wont mind too much, for me it is time to move on and flywho would work well for me at the moment. A freind of minewho also applied found out yesterday she was unsuccessful so looks like I ight be flying solo at the minute
:uhoh:

wan2fly

4th Mar 2005, 11:40

Hi Guys....

I am also joining FLYWHO and I am over the moon... it was well worth the wait now.

I agree with Ionic - we have to take risks in life and this is an opportunity to good to miss - I remember when Virgin started flying and no one beleived Richard Branson and he proved the whole airline industry wrong.

I am so excited :)

ps - Ionic Read Your PM's

teamilkandone

18th Mar 2005, 20:01

My mate got offered purser with them but still hasnt been given salary details. Also they told her they didnt have license yet so are they going to actually take off?

Transat Hostie

20th Mar 2005, 10:45

teamilk: thats nothing new re salaries. the people behind this venture seem to think that everyone will work for the love of it!

Lets take a moment and look at the history of this shambles shall we?

They've been trying to get off the ground now for so long we've all lost interest and probably don't believe a word they say. they still have no licence (maybe no money either judging by this fact) and nothing more than a cheap rented office in some dodgy part of Birmingham.

I know of someone who used to work there and found it complete chaos. none of the owners/managers have any airline experience and so have hired experienced industry bods in to provide this on a hourly rate. they have no expereinced core staff and apparently have even been politely declined by certain companies (eg. training) who don't want to be associated with them. apparently, my source tells me everything is outsourced, or bought on the cheap (even from the local markets!).

Last year they made job cuts in the pre-launch management team. not good for an airline that hasn't even made its first flight!

I think we can sum this whole thing up now,,,,

BE VERY CAUTIOUS before giving up a good job to be made promises by these guys!

teachin

20th Mar 2005, 14:32

Don't go there, they are full of hot air and the Managing Director is a nutter ! Be warned it will not take off so do not leave good jobs !

thereandback

20th Mar 2005, 16:25

What planet are you on ???

And WHERE IN THE WORLD did you get your info from ????

Market stalls my eye !!!!

The only thing I can think of is that the uniform hasn't been designed by some major designer like BA or VS but has been chosen by realstic people within the company. Its very nice by the way !!!!!!!!

I have been for the interview got a position and I am very proud of that. Yes things have been slow and yes they have had some teething problems, HOWEVER I can not praise the management team high enough they have kept in touch with us all, all the way through and been 100% honest about whats going on and what future plans are etc etc... I will not divulge these on here as they are no bodies business apart from FlyWho themselves.

Salaries WERE DEFFO discussed at the interview and are very competitive.

Management were totally honest and answered all of our questions in full, and beleive me there were a lot of questions.

I do have a full time job which I also love however its time to move on and try something new and life is a big adventure we only live once so what's the point in playing safe all of the time?. Take a risk I say and if it doesnt work out then move on and put it down to experience.

It seems to me, that you may have been rejected or had some kind of knock back by FW, I mean why else would you be so vicious and negative about a start up airline??....

I for one am proud to have been chosen to fly with them and I know others I have spoken to feel the same.

Its a new company so give them a chance and yes, no doubt there will be changes along the way but what a new company needs is up beat, supportive and great staff at the begining and indeed the whole way through - From what I have read on these threads I am so very pleased that I wont be flying with either of you !!! .

Hostessmostess

20th Mar 2005, 16:36

Dream, Dream Dream Dream Dream! How does that song go?!

Bless your heart, honey you will still be in the same position this time next year. its a great idea and great product yes, but its still very much a paper airline.

wan2fly

20th Mar 2005, 19:01

Hostess.....

how would you know ????????????

you on the board or something ?

I doubt it lol lol.

Hostessmostess

20th Mar 2005, 19:04

Hun

weve been in here for a while...Flywho is as credible as sklyink.
if youre brave, go for it and good luck!

wan2fly

20th Mar 2005, 19:05

Think you missed this bit that There and Back wrote......

I do have a full time job which I also love however its time to move on and try something new and life is a big adventure we only live once so what's the point in playing safe all of the time?. Take a risk I say and if it doesnt work out then move on and put it down to experience..................

Not only are you extremely patronising but also havnt got the brains to read the whole post before you reply.....

Hostessmostess

20th Mar 2005, 19:34

Bless!

hun i havent time and really cant be bothered to read anything else, just fly safe and take care with this outfit.

wan2fly

20th Mar 2005, 21:53

Yeah - on your way sweetheart :rolleyes:

Think you missed the point here mate ! ;)

Correction to previous post.

Iain....

Think you missed the point here mate ;)

OZcabincrew

21st Mar 2005, 15:31

FlyWHO and NOW Airlines!!!!

Who the hell comes up with these names, that's hilarious!!!!

hahahaha

:}

wan2fly

21st Mar 2005, 16:17

Hey Oz....

You obviosly dont work in marketing.....

1st of all look at the web site......

then think of the marketing lines that can be attatched to the name of the brand !!

eg...

WHO offers the biggest seat pitch to Florida !!

WHO gives the best service !!

WHO has a gold cabin with prices from xxxxx

etc etc etc

Need I go on ??????

:rolleyes:

shoegal

21st Mar 2005, 18:24

guys/gals,
lets stop this squabbling,good luck to all of you i do hope for all your sakes the venture takes off as you will have a fab time. i had a couple of pals that did the same thing 4 years ago with a similar outfit and loved it,but i have to agree with transat hostie do be wary of such a company as my pals left very good permanent jobs with one of europes leading airlines,were promised the world and a salary to match.they had to wait 5 months before the aircraft arrived then wait for the licence to be granted by the caa.then after a few months flying it folded and they struggled to get back in the business.so if any of you do fly stay put the grass is not always greener.:ok:

Harry F Sanford

21st Mar 2005, 19:04

Great idea, barmy name, good luck to them....but something tells me that half the posts on every flywho thread are put there by the management.
:ok:

mr xyxyx

21st Mar 2005, 21:28

how sad that people who should be excited about a brave attempt to get something new started should have only critisism and bad comments from so many people.

what a sad refelection on the fliying community here that the best we can do is poor bad feelings into the effort.

I do think it can succeed, but not without a little more support from the trade and the air professionals in the midlands.

as for the posts being from the management, i doubt it. they readi this i suspect, but at the intereviews they said they werent impressed.

so maybe transat hostie did work for them. maybe he/she has worked for evenyone. so what. all that I see is they are trying harder than most people do in this life and may start and may not but lets do a better job being positive please!

:( :O

Fly_JEMS

22nd Mar 2005, 01:18

Good Luck to a New airline trying to start up. As everyone know the start of is a long transition and needs all the support it can
get.

HostessMostess.. Do you ever stop slaggin people off. I am surprised you are still flying with your history. If its not on this
post then its another. Go back to what you are good at... Ohh thats not alot from what I remember

warkman

22nd Mar 2005, 07:19

There is a discussion on the Disney boards
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=708815&page=1
that Fly who have ceased trading.
Anyone know if this is correct or not?

OZcabincrew

22nd Mar 2005, 09:04

wan2fly

yeah, it might be a good marketing tool, i did look at that before making the post and good luck to them, however i couldn't think of a tackier name! As a passenger, i don't think i would want to fly with an airline called FlyWHO!

Oz

wan2fly

22nd Mar 2005, 14:14

Thank you so very much for your insight into airline marketing I will always look back at your wisdom and opinion...... :rolleyes:

Re - FLYWHO - Hold your horses everyone !!!!!!

OZcabincrew

22nd Mar 2005, 15:36

wan2fly

oh no no no, i should be thanking you for your lesson on marketing, quite frankly, WHO cares! There's one for you!

Oz

wan2fly

22nd Mar 2005, 16:02

LOL @ OZ

Very good !!!!

Harry F Sanford

22nd Mar 2005, 19:46

THAT CRAZY NAME

Get real, the name FlyWHO is completely crazy and cannot be defended by resort to any purported marketing benefits that it may confer. No one in their right mind will jeopardise the entire image and dignity of a quality product by using a high-risk and extremely perverse name for the sake of some cheap by-lines to ads in the opening campaign.

That airline will have to live with its name for many years, long after the initial advertising campaign is long forgotten. Everyone associated with it - staff, regulatory authorities, ground handlers, and most importantly passengers - will have trouble with that stupid name.

It's the product of people who've spent far too long working up a business plan, and far too little time out in the real world. My prediction: if it gets off the ground and prospers (which I sincerely hope it does), the name will be changed within a year.

wan2fly

22nd Mar 2005, 21:32

I JUST KNEW YOU WOULD BE A YANK MAKING THAT COMMENT!:rolleyes:

Get a life matey

Harry F Sanford

23rd Mar 2005, 01:13

wan2fly

I've no doubt "FlyWHO" probably sounds great in your part of the Galaxy. But back here on Planet Earth as a name it just doesn't work......it's a lemon. In fact FlyLEMON would be better.

Get a proper name, "matey":ok:

tiggerific_69

23rd Mar 2005, 10:09

well judging by their website,first flight is still going ahead 25th june.well thats when you can book for.however the disney forum seemed convinved they had gone bust.There is a disused 767 at BHX and has just been moved from the ramp to the end of rwy24/06 by the cargo terminal.There's no livery on the aircraft (its a 767) and has been there since last August,maybe it could be one of their Aircraft?I hope they make it into the skies,after all their hardwork trying to get started,they deserve to be successful and it will be nice to see more long haul out of bhx. :)

330-Purser

23rd Mar 2005, 11:46

There is a disused 767 at BHX and has just been moved from the ramp to the end of rwy24/06 by the cargo terminal

I think you'll find that aircraft was the Midland Airways/Slovak 767 which has been held since they went bust. You cant actually book on the website either, only fare quote.

As for booking Flywho, I rang them myself and was told they weren't taking bookings anymore and didn't think they would be flying this year. She said the ATOL holder had pulled out, sounds more the like financier to me! I asked about the winter schedule and the woman I was speaking too didn't know what to say other than call back at the end of October, no use to anyone is it!

Its a shame, but to me it looks like 2 years of the same thing over and over will destroy confidence totally even if they are actually bankrupt yet.

I have to agree with some of the comments on here earlier. If your thinking about giving up a secure job to work for them, I would have a word with yourself first!

;)

warkman

23rd Mar 2005, 14:38

Iconic & therandback;

have you heard anything from FlyWho?
have they said what is happening?

DELTABOY

23rd Mar 2005, 15:55

With a name like 'FlyWho' they don't deserve to do well. sounds mickey mouse from the start!!
Why do people even bother with these narcissistic start ups?
:rolleyes:

xflyer

23rd Mar 2005, 18:41

After reading all the posts on here , i think the best thing would be to ask them directly. There head office is about a mile from where I live . How about I go and see them and ask the question?

VIKING9

23rd Mar 2005, 18:46

IMHO I would think that 18 year old guy at Oxford has more luck getting airborne than Flywho. Yes, different business models, but lets face it, Flywho, Flyblu, Flywhen was another NOW that was destined to NEVER get off the ground. Has the Flywho website been updated I wonder.... I can't seem to get on it :uhoh:

bradfordboy

24th Mar 2005, 12:16

Its on their web site now http://www.flywho.com/default.asp

Unable to proceed blah blah blah

Cheers

warkman

24th Mar 2005, 14:09

A message form the owner of fly who has appeared on the Dis discussion forum here
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=708815&page=4

Thunderball 2

24th Mar 2005, 15:08

To save you clicking the link;

Flywho update

The Board of BluArrow Aviation Ltd has reluctantly come to the decision that we are no longer able to proceed with our June 2005 start date.

Our ATOL-licensed partner had originally agreed to a programme of charter flights to Florida and would be responsible for the sale of all the seats. All reservations would have been effected with them and protected accordingly. Sadly, they failed to commit to the contract in necessary practical ways within an appropriate timescale, which has resulted in the suspension of this programme until further notice.

We apologise most sincerely if this has affected your plans.

All existing passengers have been re-accommodated on other carriers and we will not be taking any further booking requests until we are 200% sure we have the right ATOL partner to undertake the passenger-protection role.

We have not ‘gone bust’ or ‘ceased trading’!

We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for Florida and this has set us back a number of months.

Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in the future.

Aden Murcutt
C. E. O.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Okay, but "airlines" were never meant to have "ATOL partners". To be "umbrella'd" by an ATOL-holder is a highly unsatisfactory arrangement which was never anticipated when the ATOL regulations were drafted. Flyblu clearly cannot satisfy financial fitness in its own right.

Let's hope that they either raise serious finance or admit defeat. I wish them luck, but this is not clever.

330-Purser

6th Apr 2005, 15:03

So what's happening with all the jobs everyone was promised and people were so excited about? Is anyone waiting around for them or have you decided to call it a day and try another airline?

It must be really horrible for you (been there years ago with another similar episode in my flying history!), and I don't mean that in a patronising way! Just a little note of support to any of you guys who had been promised jobs with Flywho and probably aren't going now.

Best of luck to you all.

330-Purser ;)

wan2fly

6th Apr 2005, 16:07

Hi

Flywho have been in contact with us all before all the above annoucemements were made so we didnt have to learn second / third hand as it were....

All I can say really is wait and see :-)

Thanks for your support - I am already flying at mo so safe with a job.

come on

7th Apr 2005, 16:35

Hi everyone

Well done to all of you that been successful with your applications to fly who.

I work in the airline/travel industry, I have been cabin crew for big airways for many years. I've been following their progress since the start and think the concept is a very good one and I very much wish them and you all every success in the future.

However, and I don't want to be a killjoy here, I'm not sure if the venture will work. The reason I say this is a very basic one. We all know Florida is a very popular holiday destination for us Brits and flights are always very busy. But, the travelling British public love a bargain and to get something cheap (and then moan about it for being cheap and nasty afterwards) so I'm not sure if they will pay a premium (in sufficient numbers throughout the year to make it viable) for a flight which granted will be very nice but be more than they are used to paying or be willing to pay. A premium product is great to have but I worry that the numbers of poeple willing to pay for it will be very limited, particularly from BHX.

Just a view, I'd be interested to know what others think.

wan2fly

7th Apr 2005, 18:01

Hi

Thank you for your insight into the requirements of Midlands Travellers...

I too have been in travel for many years - and I have to disagree with you. I have been in retail travel a long time as well as Airline and there is a definate demand for a premium product, Not all pax who fly from LHR etc live in LHR area and the midlanders who travel to either LHR LGW OR MAN find it tedious - I know how difficult it can be to get a premium or club seat on some airlines. I do agree though that there is a massive bucket and spade market in the Midlands but remember there is also a massive bucket and spade market in ....for eg... Essex.

So not EVERYONE is after a cheapie some Brits have some money to spare and if I dare say taste lol lol

Also, if I can refer you to the FlyWho website the Florida flights are not operating for the forseeable future, As in my previous post just lets wait and see what is gonna happrn in due course.

Thanks for your insight once again ;)

come on

7th Apr 2005, 18:24

Hi want2fly

Thanks for your comments and I fully agree getting to LHR/LGW is a pain for customers living in the Midlands. Also fully agree there is a market for a premium product, I'm just not sure there are enough people willing to pay for it.

At the end of the day and in the cold light of day, how many customers when faced with the decission will pay? When you're talking over a hundred pound per person difference, will they pay for more leg room which is really what it all boils down to, forget cabin service, not many customers will pay a premium for better cabin service. American (to their credit) took out a few rows of seats on their trans atlantic 777's to give pax more leg room, with the marketing budget they have they couldn't convince the British or Americans to spend slightly more to fly with them. No, I'm afriad it comes down to hard cash.

The website states the atol holder has let them down and pulled out, very iffy. I would have thought they would have been in negotiation with all tour operators to Florida to get maximum exposure and seat sales, not just one. Apology after apology has been put on the site, always someone letting them down!

With regard to the name, it's doesn't sound that odd to me, Air 2000, Virgin, Easyjet. They all sounded strange at first when you're used to an airline being called XXXXX Airways or XXXX Airlines but now they are all household names. I really do wish them luck and hope it comes off but things are just not adding up.

VIKING9

7th Apr 2005, 19:17

If I may be so blunt with my opinion here, but lets face it, FLYWHO will never get off the ground. Not this year, not next....

Iconic

8th Apr 2005, 09:29

Oh dear Viking,

Yee of littel faith, I think people are missing the bigger part of the picture here, start thinking bigger, certainly more global, those who have been offered positions will be aware of what is planned, but rest assured it will happen, and sooner than you might expect!:ok:

come on

8th Apr 2005, 11:03

Iconic...............I wish I had your faith! I sincerley hope I am proved wrong and you can say I told you so!! BUT, no employer is going to divulge the real state of business of their new company to potential employees at an interview/recruitment day. It's called business! What they will do however is paint a very colourful picture about future plans, routes, aircraft, cabin service, uniforms etc etc etc. This of course is exactly what I'd expect as how else will they get their new workforce? I have no dought that those attending recruitment days were very impressed, on paper the airline sounds great, but that's where I think it will stay, on paper. Please don't think that those that have been successful (and well done to them) have now been given "inside" information, fly who simply now have a list of poeple they can contact as and when they begin operations, and I'm talking about cabin crew here. And before somebody says it, I am not belittling those that have been succesful, it's just the way recruitment works, fly who are doing nothing other airlines have not done or currently do.

I fully appreciate and understand that some want to believe this venture will be a success. Mass market travel, which is what Florida is, want budget prices. There is always an execption to the rule which is where fly who belive they come in but I simply don't don't think there will be enough potential customers to make the service viable.

wan2fly

8th Apr 2005, 13:33

Hi

Viking - You have posted a short and to the point post - Its will never happen !!!! - How do you know - Did you say this when Virgin started ?? ( i know its not the same product ) Did you say that when Dyson made his first washing machine or vacuum cleaner ?? - You seem so certain but Do you have an insight into the whats and ehy's of FW ???

Did you go for a job with these guys ? are you on the board or was you on the board ??

Just to say - They wont get off the ground is not ..... well ... not really saying anything is it ? YOU dont know for 100% if they wont make it, like I dont know for 100% that they will.

Do by posting a one liner all negative is hardly giving advice, helping anyone. However I do take your comments on board so thanks for this.

We are not going into this blindfolded my friend, and we know the risks and please please believe me that when I say i was gutted that the Florida did not happen I mean i was gutted !!! and Im sure i speak for the others on here who like me have been fortunate enough to get a position !. We worked hard at the interview to get through and it was hard. So lets just all wait and see what is going to happen - none of us REALLY know but some of us have more info than others. Like I keep on saying FW have been in touch with us and will again be shortly we heard all about the disappointing news re the Florida flights BEFORE anyone else. So I do have faith in the company.

Come ON....
=========

Thanks again for your post but you have missed my point, Yes the Florida flights are not taking place until further notice but THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH US SINCE !!!.

As the CEO says they have NOT gone bust or ceased trading.

You are deffo correct though that they will not go into the ins and outs with potential employees at the interviews - I agree and who in their right mind would !!! ? Yes they tell you all the "Fluffy" bits re uniforms service etc etc etc......But which airline wouldnt or indeed doesnt

Re customers up grading to a premium product is very very popular ? For EG - BA LON to SIN to SYD the upgrade for WTP is 250.00pp per sector so only another 500.00pp for the whole journey quite a lot i hear you say - yes but remember that there are people who pay it and I can hand on heart say that this is VERY VERY easy to sell. My Local vicar paid this when i booked his holiday :-). Not everyone will pay granted and if this was a family of four then I agree it may not happen, However FW has never been after the Lower end of the market who use charters to florida in a 30 inch pitch or less. They are after the premium end eg - Villa owners , golfers etc etc. Have a look how difficult it is to geta premium seat on say MYT BY FCA or TCX on a long haul holiday its really hard unless a pax books early and the prices for the upgrade is approx 300.00 pp some less some more depends on the travel date. Have a look at VS or BA and try the same .

Have a look on some of the Florida chat websites which FW have appeared on and there are lots of pax on there who would and DID pay altho im sad to say havnt got it.... But lets just see - NONE OF US ON HERE REALLY KNOW !!!!.

Take care guys

DELTABOY

8th Apr 2005, 15:19

FLYWHO!......zzzzzzzzz:bored:
Yeah, 'WHO' flies A310's to Florida or the North American region for that matter?? seems a strange choice of equipment & having worked in the travel/airline industry for many years & seen all the comings & goings, it screams of another none starter. Perhaps a different market should be looked at, Asia possibly. Would be nice to see it happen for all the folk involved thou!:cool:

wan2fly

8th Apr 2005, 16:03

Everytime I read your posts i think

zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ

You obviously havnt REALLY read any of the above....

VIKING9

8th Apr 2005, 19:29

wan2fly what I posted was my opinion. No I didn't say the same when Virgin started, I didn't have to because it was bound to succeed and it did, as did the man with the hoover idea. In his case, simple engineering techiques made simpler made it a success story.

The name FLYWHO for starters is just laughable IMHO. Yes, that's my opinion again.

I ask the question again. How can the CEO say they haven't ceased trading when they never actually started trading ?

I'm sorry if my opinion is not what you want to hear, but I personally don't think this crowd will get airborne. If they do, well, good luck to them. The next question will be, for how long ?

wan2fly

9th Apr 2005, 01:30

LOL LOL - I just knew your next question was the " How Long Question" It was quite predictable I guess !!!

I do honestly respect your opinion I really do - But lets see what happens - Yes the FW project has not YET taken off FOR FLORIDA but WHO knows whats in the bag !!!!

Thanks again and NO doubt speak to you again or at least I will respond to your posts.

G nite

VIKING9

9th Apr 2005, 06:38

wan2fly I suppose next you'll be telling us that they won't be flying to Florida but some other far flung destination. India maybe ???

Harry F Sanford

9th Apr 2005, 11:11

If Richard Branson had spent the same amount of time the guys behind FlyWhoDunnit have spent on this and other forums endlessly trying to keep alive and defend a concept that still only exists in their own minds, Virgin Atlantic would never have happened and he would be still be trying to relaunch Mike Oldfield rather than buying a fleet of A380s.

FlyWho, (and you're all over this thread, who do you think you're kidding?), just forget about Prpune, the Disney forum and every other forum, you'll get no credit marks for anything you say here, all that matters is getting heavy metal in the air with paying punters.

DELTABOY

11th Apr 2005, 08:28

Wan2fly, I have read all I need to know about this outfit & your tedious threads as well. I just hope it works out for you as you seem so obsessed with this dubious outfit......but i still think your wasting your time mate.

wan2fly

11th Apr 2005, 10:05

So if you have had enough why read it ?.

Its one thing having an opinion but to get personal is quite another.

Everyone has, obviously, got an interest in FW and are airing views/experiences etc on here.

Im not exactly obsessed as you put it - however of course i want them to work.

Ending - Stop reading my tedious threads then ! I guess we wont hear from you again as you wont be reading this one.

crewmeal

11th Apr 2005, 11:48

In all my years in aviation why would any new carrier regardless of who they are, want to jump on another Companies AOC or ATOL.

The excuse this time was that FW were on someone elses ATOL license and the ATOL holder pull out. Something not right with that!

Also I thought FW was going to be a scheduled carrier operating to points in Florida - not a charter carrier!!!

Our ATOL-licensed partner had originally agreed to a programme of charter flights to Florida and would be responsible for the sale of all the seats. All reservations would have been effected with them and protected accordingly. Sadly, they failed to commit to the contract in necessary practical ways within an appropriate timescale

come on

11th Apr 2005, 12:51

I tend to agree with Sanford but let's just wait and see eh.

VIKING9

11th Apr 2005, 17:24

Why wait, Florida ain't gonna happen IMHO - as for Flywho actually commencing any sort of ops, well, remains to be seen :confused:

Iconic

20th Apr 2005, 09:28

Anyone else looking forward to Saturday??;)

VIKING9

20th Apr 2005, 14:25

...and what is happening on Saturday :confused: Oh yes, I forgot, the official launch of FLYUSANYWHEREEXCEPTFLORIDA.COM starting scheduled flights to Reunion Island. It's soon time for Flywho's 1st reunion anyway.....:\

Iconic

20th Apr 2005, 14:33

oh Viking9, you should have been on the stage, your wasted in the air!!:}

wan2fly

21st Apr 2005, 13:54

I doubt he is in the air - Just a plane spotter who hates flying, I mean "WHO"else ( No pun intended ) would take so much enjoyment in been negative about an airline - Maybe someone from FW nicked his bobble hat or sumthin ???

flyguy532

22nd Apr 2005, 17:54

so wats actually happening with this airline because its been a very lon time since the idea was started.

when the first fliht

when the cabin crew training start

niceguy

4th May 2005, 00:02

Word on the street is that the cabin crew met last week and VERY impressed. Trainign starts VERY soon. Programme looks very interesting and all doubters will be silenced!

Believe it when I see it but very credible source. Be prepared to have red faces if this lot does fly!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. does anyone else know anyone who went?????

come on

4th May 2005, 08:47

The cabin crew met and were VERY impressed, so that means this outfit are about to take off does it? Listen to yourselves, what's the point in training cabin crew, they haven't sold a seat yet, they have no advertised programme or do they intend flying empty aircraft!!!!

Sorry but it's complete and utter rubbish. With all respect to the guys and girls that have been told they have been successful with their applications as cabin crew but remember they don't have jobs yet with flywho and they are not being paid, they are simply on a list of potential crew. As most that have been cabin crew (and I was for many years) will tell you it's great to see the product you will be working with, the presentation, cabin interiors, livery, uniform etc. The marketing/sales, business plan etc are of no real interest. I can fully undersatnd this, I've been there.

It now appears (from the website) that they will not be operating as a schedule airline and will be selling via an atol holder. In that case they will need to be contracting with the relevant tour operators to be featured in their brochures and on their websites to get maximum exposure in the markets they will be aiming at. They will need an atol holder with quite a high profile or a large sales/marketing budget. I see no evidence of either. Their own website alone will not generate enough sales to launch the airline.

Again I apologise for putting a downer on anyones hopes but those of you that have been VERY impressed, please take it easy, do your homework and check these guys out, look at tour operators brochures and websites for Florida and see if flywho are featured. I think you'll find they're not which means there will be no launch in the near future, ask yourself, where will the customers come from? How will the seats be sold?

Potential cabin crew being VERY impressed with a product does not sell seats. Aggressive, clever, focussed and potentially expensive marketing does, I am yet to see anything that convinces me flywho will take off.

A question related to my second paragraph, tell me, those of you that have been told that a cabin crew training course will begin shortly, do you have contracts and are you being paid? If you are about to go on a training course you must be employed by the company and being paid a salary?

VIKING9

4th May 2005, 12:54

They will probably (maybe) get an AOC and then do subs for BMI down to India :yuk: But, don't hold your breath......:uhoh:

330-Purser

4th May 2005, 17:10

They will probably (maybe) get an AOC and then do subs for BMI down to India

Never in a million years!!! lol!!!

I can't for one moment see flywho being an approved Star alliance carrier! After all, the Indian routes will be full service bmi and Star alliance routes and from what I know, it has to be an approved Star alliance airline to sub out to.

That was funny though. Maybe they're more akin to the likes of the Flyjet BHX charters to Amritsar?

flyguy532

6th May 2005, 11:46

i just thinkits odd that the airline first came onthe scene over a year ago and it still hasn't taken off. i worked for av8air and belive me it sounds exactly the same as this. they wer saying everything was ok and new a/c are coming, truth was they wer jus trying the tell the crew wat they wanted to hear to keep them happy.

the question u have to ask is een if they where to have gone ahead with the june launch, where is the aircraft. when a start up airlins happens its usual that the aircraft are at least in the same country at least a month before first flight to get it all prepared and crew familiarisation flights.

where has the aircraft gone, was it ever here or is it still satin the dessert covered in dust!!!!!!

i hope for all these people saying watch this space that tey still arent saying that come end of summer.

good luck to all..............i think this venture will need alot of it

oh yeah an i must say that was funny about the bmi idea

its like saying air scandic are doing BA flights

lololololololo

come on

6th May 2005, 12:13

Agree with you flyguy, there is no way they will launch in June or I wouldn't have thought any time this year. I've been trying to find someone that sells on their behalf, as yet I've drawn a blank. So as per my previous post, they can't have sold a seat so they'll be flying around fresh air! Or I could be totally wrong and they're the worlds best kept secret, if that's the case I'll accept all of the I told you so posts that will follow.

It's also been well over a year that they've been talking about operating, more like three years.

Like your suggestion of Air Scandic operating on behalf of BA, maybe they'll be the next franchise!!!!

tiggerific_69

9th May 2005, 09:35

330-Purser

9th May 2005, 19:54

in reference to who flies a310's to north america...i saw an Air Transat A310 off to Toronto from BHX last week...now im sure last time i checked,Toronto is in Canada,which isnt too far from North America.

Your absolutely right, but Sanford and Fort Lauderdale are good bit further than Toronto though!

I thought I read somewhere that flywho would have to get extra fuel tanks fitted to make it non-stop to Florida?

niceguy

9th May 2005, 23:11

airbus website (if you can get past all the A380 stuff) says A310 range = 9,600 kms, distnace to FLL is 6,970 kms.

Think thats the end of it dont you?

let up now please.worry about important stuff instead like food and drink!

Thunderball 2

11th May 2005, 11:17

niceguy,

You're right that the A310 will fly BHX-FLL;

Route between EGBB (BIRMINGHAM, WEST MIDLANDS, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM) and KFLL (FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA, USA):
Distance along great circle: 4330.1 statute miles, 3762.8 nautical miles, 6968.7 kilometers

An A310-300 @ 157,000 kgs MTOW will fly this sector in 9 hours 2 minutes @ M.079 carrying a total payload of 22,476 kgs - say 250 pax @ 90kgs each - and burn 42,220 kgs of fuel in the process.

But, with respect, the A310-300 won't fly 9,600 kms - that's 5,200 nm - with a decent payload. To go that far it will burn about another 14.5 tonnes of fuel, which leaves a payload of about 7 tonnes, or 77 passengers.

DELTABOY

11th May 2005, 13:07

Next it'll be DC-10's/L-1011 dragged out of the arizona desert with cocktail lounges in the belly, accessed via elevators with silver service offered as standard throughout:p
'FLYWHO', the thread that beggars belief to so many, although you have to admit it does offer amusing entertainment.;)

Thunderball 2

12th May 2005, 10:16

...not to mention the c/c dragged out after dessert with cocktails in their bellies.

Seriously, though, you're right, DELTABOY. Someone up there at BHX has spent the last two years (?) turning good, honest pounds sterling into Prime Grade A1 Bullsh*t.

Mike16

12th May 2005, 16:24

Hi Guys

Well i told you all this was a shower of SH*T from the start, well trolleydolleybabe what ever you are called ,do i get an apology ? i was apparently being negative about this set up, and guess what i was right.
i am so glad though that innocent people have not gave jobs in or moved house for this so called cowboy outfit.

take care all

mike

DELTABOY

13th May 2005, 13:46

mmmm, its gone very quiet all of a sudden....:hmm:

wan2fly

13th May 2005, 14:58

Still reading the posts just not replying.......

Amazes me where you all get your info from !.

come on

15th May 2005, 20:33

wan2fly

I wish I had the faith that you have. I go back to my points made in previous posts, no seats sold so no launch!!! Simple as that and no amount of you wondering where we get our info from will change that. You may have been successful in being added to a list of future cabin crew but you know very little about what's really happening, or should I say not happening. Incidently, myself and others in the travel industry are the peolpe that are approached by start up airlines like flywho who are aiming at a particular market to get behind their launch and sell their product. At first I was impressed and excited about the prospect although I had my reservations about the limited appeal in a very price concious market. An airline solely aiming at the premium market, particularly from a regional airport, a very nice idea but possibly not a sound business one. We were contacted a few years ago but the whole venture came to nothing, as we all know. Florida for 2006 is on sale now and no sign of a flwho seat being offered either via the usual channels or on their website, wake up and ask yourself how its all going to happen. Seats will need to be on sale months before you start your training as cabin crew so until you see some promotional/media sales and marketing activity I suggest you get on with your current job.

wan2fly, I think we'll still be having this same debate in 12, 18 and 24 months time. I don't think this venture in it's current form will ever get off the ground. I'll keep my ear to the ground though and let you know if I hear anything, in the meantime keep on believing!!

wan2fly

16th May 2005, 11:59

Thanks for the lengthy reply !

I am still flying - loving every minute of it thanks...

But - Re FW - I cant be bothered to get into the debate anymore -so ill just read the posts - thanks again tho for taking so much time with the above reply...

Ps - this will be the worlds longest post if it is still been debated in 12/18/24 months time.

Happy flying / investing or whatever it is you do.

niceguy

17th May 2005, 22:28

' Next it'll be DC-10's/L-1011 dragged out of the arizona desert'

Could be, yes. I see Air Scotland has contracted an L1011 for the year ahead (from Greece I think) to do Florida and other long hauls. Dont hear anyone laughing.

In fact, you better get used to the idea because there is not enough modern jets to go round anymore and you will see LOTS of DC10's and L1011's coming back into use until the situation corrects itself.

Even the air lease conference in Dublin this week has a session about old jets coming back, so dont go being too clever. Everyone expects them to make a return until the manufacturers can catch up with demand!

330-Purser

18th May 2005, 07:47

In fact, you better get used to the idea because there is not enough modern jets to go round anymore and you will see LOTS of DC10's and L1011's coming back into use until the situation corrects itself.

Don't forget passengers have a choice where to spend their money niceguy. :hmm:

I personally wouldn't pay over the odds to travel on an old Tristar to florida with flywho or Air Scotland. I don't care how lovely the seats are, I would give my money to someone like Virgin instead who I know will be operating nicer and more modern aircraft.

If flywho are seriously having to go down the "drag the oldies out the desert" route, I think its time to call it a day personally!

Harrier46

18th May 2005, 08:19

I don't think the average passenger would have a clue what they were flying in. A330 or DC-10, what does it mean to them? If they get more legroom and a cheaper seat they are quite happy. I for one do know the difference and also go by price. The economics and availability dictate which aircraft are used on charter flights, not aircraft branding.

come on

18th May 2005, 08:27

I think there's a slight difference here, flywho are supposedly offering a premium product at a premium price. Leaving all of the already said issues about credability etc aside and in their defence, the two operations are differnet. Air Scotland as far as I'm aware propose to operate a budget style economy service, somewhat along the lines of their European procuct but caterered more to long haul and aimed at the budget and cost concious customer. To the vast majority of travellers provided the aircraft is ontime, safe and has a degree of comfort and the price is acceptbale then they are happy. The Flywho operation on the other hand I believe will be aimed at a the more affluent end of the market.

Travellers do have a choice, the new First Choice premium product is now available on long haul aircraft (including BHX departures to SFB) and appears to be popular.

As my previous posts state, I'm very sceptical about flywho's future plans but to be fair I don't see their operation/product being in the same camp as that proposed by Air Scotland.

I totally take your point though about where I would spend my money. I also would go down the VS route and probably not want to board an old 1011 or DC-10, having said that I wouldn't set foot on a Ryanair aircraft either but that's another debate!

DELTABOY

18th May 2005, 08:58

Great news 'niceguy', I loved those handsome tri-jets & loved working on them too!... proper aircraft built to last, not like the dull plastic looking jets we see before us today. Although i am a little surprised you say there is a shortage of newer equipment about. Aren't there alot of B-747-400 & MD-11, A300-600R sitting about in deserts post 9/11?

I think the Air Scotland L-1011\'s are going to be ex Air Transat 500 series long range jets, great machine!:ok:

Nato 35

18th May 2005, 18:32

A new start up charter airline basing from Manchester in 2006.
The company will be operating 4 x A310.
Not much detail at present however keep an eye on their web site for details www.airwho.com

"We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for
Florida and this has set us back a number of months.

Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in
the future."

Aden Murcutt
C. E. O.

niceguy

18th May 2005, 23:48

I must admit defeat. As Salmon Rushdie found, it is not possible to fight against faith. That faith may be very stupid but if it is really believed no amount of reason will prevail. You either believe everything negative about flyblu/who or you dont.

People are now posting stuff like 'I think there's a slight difference here' to allow Air Scotland to do something that no-one wants to allow flywho to do.

Fine. you win. All you brilliant people who run your own companies, you do win. I am just tired of it. When you start your airline, post here and I will come work for FREE for a month.

Goodbye.

come on

19th May 2005, 08:12

Hey Niceguy, take alook at my post again, I was in fact saying that there's a difference between the two products that are possibly being offered. Air Scotland = budget, Flywho = Premium. I was defending Flywho, for once!

Apologies if you find my posts unpleasant reading. My comments are based on experience and what makes business sense, not a glossy picture that is painted at a recruitment day.

At the end of the day, if the business plan doesn't stand up and you don't get the financial backing, you're going knowhere. No amount of wishfull thinking, faith and being impressed will change that.

niceguy

19th May 2005, 22:35

I must admit I agree with you! If funding does not come through a great plan will fail. If it does come through a stupid plan will get started.

EUjet at Manston for example. What a stupid plan that is, but give someone Â£30m and they can start. The problem with F.W. is not that the idea is bad, it's either you get the cash or you dont.

This admission that I can be reasonable hurts my head. Think I need to go lie down now.

tumbo33

20th May 2005, 19:58

Hi all after looking at there website today i found this on the homepage and i quote
"The Board of BluArrow Aviation Ltd has reluctantly come to the decision that we are no longer able to proceed with our June 2005 start date.

Our ATOL-licensed partner had originally agreed to a programme of charter flights to Florida and would be responsible for the sale of all the seats. All reservations would have been effected with them and protected accordingly. Sadly, they failed to commit to the contract in necessary practical ways within an appropriate timescale, which has resulted in the suspension of this programme until further notice.

We apologise most sincerely if this has affected your plans.

All existing passengers have been re-accommodated on other carriers and we will not be taking any further booking requests until we are 200% sure we have the right ATOL partner to undertake the passenger-protection role.

We have not ‘gone bust’ or ‘ceased trading’!

We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for Florida and this has set us back a number of months.

Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in the future.

Aden Murcutt
C. E. O. "

so it may be a while longer before you hear anything at all

niceguy

12th Oct 2005, 20:51

Greetings cynics!

Anyone heard anything about flywho lately? Seems way too quiet to me. Calm before the storm or perhaps it really has all gone down?

Anyway, willing to listen if you know anything.....

come on

13th Oct 2005, 09:47

The flywho website says they hope to make a "significant announcement very soon" so I guess we'll have to wait and see!

Mike16

14th Oct 2005, 05:37

Hi

The announcement will be " We have tried everything, we even changed from fly blu to fly who and we have no money, this was a dream, we have hurt some people on the way, for example getting crew all prepared for a job that does not exist, like i say it is all a dream and we would like to get this started ,so if you have lot's of money and want to give it to us, then we will set off !"

This airline which has been going of now for a couple of years is a shower of S**T, lets put them to rest with NOW.

Mike

bacardi walla

14th Oct 2005, 06:09

The difference with Flywho and NOW is that NOW had offices and staff and it failed because the backers, well, backed out ! I'm sure NOW would have survived. Lets face it, the locos are now doing TFS - one of NOW's destinations. Not so far fetched hey !

niceguy

28th Oct 2005, 21:00

It is clear you have no idea how well set up the flywho team have been in their offices etc. Also the staff they had at the start would have run most people into being bankrupt over the months they were on pay unless there was some substance to the claims of being able to get this going.

I was fortunate to visit the flywho place once in the early days (still called blu then) and it is/was very smart and enough to convince me that this was a real business.

All the same, I have always wondered or even doubted if this idea can ever fly, and still do wonder, but give them a break if they do start, and respect if they dont for even having had a go.

For what it is worth I believe the original (multi million dollar) backer for flyblu also backed out immediately before their huge NEC launch leaving them to do the best they could. Ouch! So there is a lot more similarity than you might think.

Epsilon minus

31st Oct 2005, 19:31

Bacardi
Who were Nows backers that backed out?

bacardi walla

1st Nov 2005, 06:41

Epsilon minus I'm not aware of the name, sorry.

What I am aware of is that both companies (Flywho/blu and NOW) will never fly !!

wan2fly

18th Nov 2005, 12:17

Hi

Website message changed and things are looking up - Come FW lets hope you get up there this time !!!!

Some good people out there wanna work with FW !!

Epsilon minus

29th Nov 2005, 11:18

What's the latest on this dodgy airline wannabe?

Thunderball 2

30th Nov 2005, 11:03

WIN A TICKET TO ORLANDO!

Just select the correct answer to the following question; "What proportion of the posts on this thread are from the backer of Flu Who?"

Is it

a) 50%
b) 75%
c) 100%

* Please note that the prize is a ticket, not a flight.

:ok:

gatwicknose

30th Nov 2005, 11:20

Flywho have just purchased two A340-600 aircraft which will be stored at secret location until their flights commence. Flywho would therefore like to assure all doubters that they are a real airline and have every intention of intending to plan to start to organise a process whereby they will consider all aspects of the commencement of an objective series of studies into the feasability of future operations . perhaps.

Flywho would also like to thank airfix for the donation of two A340-600 scale models.

Do I get the free ticket?

Seriously...I wish them luck...but after all this time see little chance of operations.