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The masked goatrider
13th Jan 2005, 09:11
A Qf LAME was stood down tonight for taking part in the unofficial overtime bans. It appears that the airline wishes to step up the pressure on anyone opposed to the changes and has stated that two more LAMEs are about to cop it as well.

The directive has come from past ALAEA Federal Secretary and now GM Line Maint Manager Mr BD. In typical Qf fashion they have chosen to target a young family man who has been known to question the union of recent policy.

As you would expect from the Manager who escorted him off the airport his parting words were "we suggest you contact your union for assistance".

Ultralights
13th Jan 2005, 09:24
so what your saying is they ere stood down for refusing to do overtime?

Overtime in Qf is NOT compulsory! (it wasnt when i was there)

sounds like the typical QF procedure of provoking a fight. first step, dont negotiate untill the EBA neg time has expired (they have done this EVERY time with every EBA) step 2, stand down chosen emplyees to provoke industrial action Outside the eba timeframe. same old.

sadly QF staff unions have a very sad track record of sticking together for the common good. QF knows that this will provoke some sort of action, and will get no support from other unions, = division!

Uncommon Sense
13th Jan 2005, 09:29
Stood Down for NOT working on your days off?

I think even the union bashing members of the Coalition used to refer to this as facism didn't they? You know - the USSR, reds under the bed, internment camps in Siberia? (or was it Woomera?).

Perhaps John Howard can come out and declare it as simply "Un-Australian?".

Honestly - WTF is this country coming to?

If THIS is not a reason to take industrial action, QF employees, there will NEVER be one - and you will ALL be royally screwed by the greed merchants.

If you remember how and why unions were organised in Australia in the first it was to counter exactly this type of exploitative and draconian rule. The pendulum has swung well and truly too far back in favour of the greedy few.

If you do not fight now, you will have nothing left worth fighting for.

Ultralights
13th Jan 2005, 09:36
what QF staff need, is ALL unions to unite and fight as one! something which they have never done. i just pray that QF have pushed their staff too far and they WILL unite as one! and if a LAME can be stood down for not working on his/her day off, then ALL staff can be!

talking as an Ex delegate, You MUST Unite, all Unions, all emplyoees! or you will sign your lives away. again......... and again.....

planemad2
13th Jan 2005, 10:02
IF this is true, it is certainly Un-Australian, and bloody disgusting. :(

Qantas, the Spirit of Australia, NO WAY........... :mad:

Son of Brake Boy
13th Jan 2005, 10:35
From here on in, I will be refusing to do ANY overtime.

SAFE training, driver/equipment training, tank entry training, early morning starts, extensions to shift and call ins.

Its expected that we will help the company out when they SCHEDULE compulsory training on employees days off. I dont geta great deal extra for having a drivers licence, or being able to crawl into a tank (a task at which most guys are dodging anyway!)

I would encourage all LAME's to follow this lead and F#ck the C#nts. The only reason they are putting pressure on us is because their getting pressure put on them! Support our fallen brother and support each other.

This action only reinforces QF managements disrespect for LAME's, and our role in the airline.

F#ck em!

The masked goatrider
14th Jan 2005, 07:39
Dobbed in by a Canberra scab.

Hope you enjoy your company sponsored holiday in Darwin.

Sunfish
14th Jan 2005, 07:49
Guy's, don't get angry, get even. Bite your lip. Say nothing. Keep it at an individual level and never EVER admit to the current campaign having ANYTHING to do with your refusal to do overtime. All it takes is a few words - like you are "sympathetic" with the campaign and you are nailed.

Simply say that you would love to do OT but circumstances/ family commitments/ etc etc. stop you right now. Ask them to call you next week.

Do not EVER admit to being part of a campaign even in the tinsiest way or they will get you.

Good luck.

The Fremantle Doctor
14th Jan 2005, 08:50
If proven to be true, I hope this mans name is distributed amongst his fellow Engineers. Canberra have a lot of good guys working on the Line. Dissappointing to hear of such a betrayal. I for one will choose not to work along side a man of this calibre.

What goes around comes around.

Mean, Nasty & Tired
14th Jan 2005, 10:58
:E Don't get mad get even, it seems someone's got their nose out of joint or should I say frillies in a knot Barking up the wrong trees fools Your staff is just sick and tired of your bulls@#t you have infected them with your own contempt

Prepare for the Onslaught:ok:

vortsa
14th Jan 2005, 23:50
It would appear that Q management still have their links to the ALAEA senior executive but lost all control of the rank and file.
This can only end in a bitter fight, with consequences only once before seen in the Austarlian aviation scene. The personal loss to so many and the stagnation of growth in the industry over that period should never again be repeated.

It may be time to look for some common ground so as to forge a unity between these facets that were once part of the gem which was Australia's icon.

Moment of Clarity
15th Jan 2005, 04:31
It is my understanding that the person from melbourne stood down was done so not for partaking in overtime bans, but for starting and coordinating these bans. He and 2 others will be bought to task over this matter.

We have a union to oversee such industrial action. If people want to work outside the bounds of there union in an industrial capacity, then they will suffer the consequences.

Let us all learn from the mistakes of others. If any industrial action is deemed necessary, let our union take the lead, and allow them to work it into any other plans they have in place ie. EBA negotiations etc.

Lets focus on keeping our jobs and getting the work done as efficiently as possible.

planemad2
15th Jan 2005, 04:39
I see that you just registered today. ;)

Mr Qantas under another name? :rolleyes:

Starts with P
15th Jan 2005, 05:05
And since when did the Unions stop working for us? If I was paying Union fees and I was this LAME that got stood down, I would be on the phone and getting up the Union in a BIG way!

planemad2
15th Jan 2005, 05:11
Sadly, you will find that the ALAEA would have already agreed to it, might have even been their idea, for daring to go against them. :(

Ultralights
15th Jan 2005, 09:42
my average for doing overtime while in QF service, was approx 4 hrs quarter! (3 months)
all my superiors knew i rarely worked overtime, but still continued to ask me, so, if i was still in QF service, would i be stood down for refusing overtime?

the result of LAMES being stood down for refusing overtime during rumoured OT bans will achieve nothing but enrage employees and lower morale (if it can)

QF has No legal right to stand an employee down for refusing to work Non compulsory hours!

Just remember, What OT bans? i cant work, because my wife is ill, child is sick, car needs work, pool needs cleaning! all legitimate reason to go home when your legally entitled too.

It is my understanding that the person from melbourne stood down was done so not for partaking in overtime bans, but for starting and coordinating these bans. He and 2 others will be bought to task over this matter. again, What overtime bans?? is there legal proof of these bans? It School Holidays! and as you would expect ant good husband/father you wish to spend as much time at home during the festive season, How QF percieve this as OT bans is beyond me!

regitaekilthgiwt
15th Jan 2005, 10:12
Check ‘oppurtunity’ and ‘seroius’ – he/she isn’t quite the way there… :uhoh:

Propstop
15th Jan 2005, 14:07
I am sitting on the sidelines seeing how the ALAEA have not changed one bit. They are still selectively harassing the members who disagree with them, as they, with BD's help, did to me many years ago. What they did not realise was they did me a big favour. I left the airline and left Oz to work overseas, where I have had a very satisfying career working all around the world in some very interesting places. As a LAME. That has also cured me from having anything to do with unions.
Beware!! The aformentioned gentleman will stop at nothing to achieve his aims, just stick together. LAME's are very thin on the ground, and the situation is not going to get better. It is LAMES who are the backbone of the company. Do not under any circumstances devalue yourselves.
Have I got a vested interest in QF?? Yes, as a passenger who flies regularly to my place of employment on a long overwater flight which goes far south.
Mr Qantas, you are pathetic, or are you really BD. You have that wine in your posts that I remember came from BD all those years ago, not forgetting the promotion of your own position as a loyal company employee. You poor soul!!!!!

blubak
15th Jan 2005, 21:48
nice to see the suggestion of our union becoming active in this intimidation of 1 of its members.BUT,all is silent as we would expect!! OBVIOUSLY directives are coming from outside the union headquarters.....could they be coming from the headquarters of an even bigger organisation????. WHAT has the ALAEA come to??? ITS time for issues to be taken seriously,stop all the bitching,internal fighting and power broking and stand up for its members instead of being a front for an ex union turncoat!!.GET SERIOUS AND PROTECT UR MEMBERS AND SHOW EVERYONE THAT WE ARE SICK OF BEING INTIMIDATED,VERBALLY ABUSED BY SO-CALLED MANAGERS AND THREATENED.

Kaptin M
15th Jan 2005, 23:31
Well as Oldmeadow will be in this up to his balls, you can probably expect an Abeles style invitation from your management to meet in groups of 5 or 6 to "talk about things".
Once you've aired your grievances, expect a new contract to be given to you, and returned, signed, before you walk out the door.
The way it stands right now, there is a window of opportunity for Oldmeadow on which to capitalise if he acts quickly, and you can bet he will!

If you have decided that the current ALAEA is not representing the rank and files best interests, you'll need an alternative - but fast.


Otherwise it'll be game over before the end of the week.

planemad2
15th Jan 2005, 23:47
Ironically the ALAEA was set up many years ago, because the Unions at the time that represented LAMEs, did not understand the needs etc of the LAMEs.

In hindsight, things might have been better staying with the real Unions, at least they wouldn't have become stooges of the Employers. :(

Kaptin M
16th Jan 2005, 00:24
The ALAEA might still be the correct vehicle, pm2 - it might just need an EGM to replace some of the current drivers to stop the tail wagging the dog.
Unfortunately, that (EGM) takes time.

planemad2
16th Jan 2005, 00:33
It was good originally, back in the 1970s and 1980s, but sadly it is not now. :(

I guess a lot of the problem is that the only people that go into running an outfit like that, are people looking to progress their own agendas, either politically or inside an Airline, or become a judge. :(

The LAMEs that originally went to a lot of trouble to start the ALAEA had good intentions, sadly they must be now turning in their graves at what is happening. :mad:

QFBUSBOY
17th Jan 2005, 03:10
After this I may well be swimming with the fishes.

After reading all the different sites concerning the supposed O/T bans,I was quite amused to see that some people seem to think that all stations are onboard with this.Well I for one know this is different.

To start with, I have seen with my own eyes,LAMEs from both SIT and Base Maint doing overtime.These guys seem to think that just because the company isn't targeting them in the same way as the domestic brothers,and because they are not directly affected,that they should go about their merry little ways as normal.Generally these boys will be the first to ask LAMEs in other areas to support them when their crunch time comes.

So I will put it on the record that LAMEs in Sydney should forget their domestic/international prejudices and work together on this issue.Blokes have got to remember that there aren't too many ex-TAA/Australian Airlines guys left in Sydney anymore,and ultimately we are all on the same side.If the boys at SDT and at other ports are not doing O/T at the moment,then we should all think about why there is the current situation,and what you can do to support your bretheren.

e.g.The SIT mob have got to stop doing 1,2 and 4 hour o/t stay-ons and call ins.The Base guys have got to stop coming in to work the SDT aircraft on night time call ins and the SDT blokes have got to leave the BBJ/Poly alone if they are called in for O/T.In the short term it means that we guys who are on shift have to carry a heavier load,but in the long run it may pay back some good,equitable dividends for LAMEs.

And for the guy from CNS who stated that O/T was being c/o on or about 14/01/05 at SDT,then if this is true,it is understandable,as there is still a lot of loyal BD supporters amongst them on that particular gang.

So boys hang on tight,don't let the bast@rds wear us down and lets see where we are at come early February, even if the ALAEA exec won't stand by us.Hopefully they will be concentrating on the EBA properly.

MRS QANTAS
17th Jan 2005, 03:39
Busboy, the problem with imposing this OT band across the board is the lack of communication between departments.
I know that base for one have not been approached to jump onboard..The boys and girls in a number of sections are hereing rumours but nothing substantial...Engineers must talk to friends in other sections, make them aware of these forums and get the word out to all areas...All LAMES across QF must be in...
Base rely on the engineers coming in on OT...But without more people being aware of what is going on, the OT sluts will keep coming..The more people that are made aware, the more these people will pressure those that continue to do OT to stop....
Engineers must also phone the ALAEA and put the pressure on them...We pay their bills...
So engineers reading this, tell mates about these forums.Get them to register and tune in for a FORUM 28/01/05.....

Mr Qantas
17th Jan 2005, 07:20
We shall see how much laughter there is when your man gets sacked tomorow. If you want to destroy the union then expect pay backs.:O

rudderless1
17th Jan 2005, 07:45
Will those hangar and servicing OT chaps wake up now a portion of those 7000 jobs to go overseas will be theirs?

Bruce is still very cocky, but I must say he seems somewhat stressed. Its having no effect apparently.

Redstone
17th Jan 2005, 07:45
Close to the action Mr Q? Your post seems to suggest it's a done deal.....

Ultralights
17th Jan 2005, 08:17
sacked for posting on an internet forum? hahahahahahahaha, like that will ever happen!

QF's facing crippling staff shortages, and still they want to sack people for anon ramblings on an internet forum!

Mean, Nasty & Tired
17th Jan 2005, 09:29
Take your best shot Mr Potato Head we're ready, several years of relentless degradation and bullying has produced a defiant and beligerent LAME workforce.
If you don't know of the cause brothers you've been head down ass up (for the boss most likely).
Cause and effect gentlemen its gettin to em MPH has already begun bullying oh I mean information meetings in Syd.

The masked goatrider
17th Jan 2005, 09:50
ALAEA plans revealed- If history is a thing of the past and we should put the past behind us, we must never forget. History is a valuable tool to gauge the future and we must learn from it. Now let’s learn about the week ahead.

A member in Melbourne has been stood down for inciting overtime bans. Completely unfounded according to those who have seen the evidence and more of a punishment to the individual for speaking out lately about separate ALAEA matters.

The ALAEA will come to the rescue of Paul and miraculously win back his employment. It will come at a price, the airline will only reinstate him if the overtime bans cease. If things go to plan a notice will be drawn up by this Friday demanding members work a reasonable amount of overtime or face disciplinary action from Qf without ALAEA backing.

The suspended member is now a hostage held at ransom by the airline and union. They have a common gaol, sorry goal, and that’s where they’re all headed.

Kaptin M – The end of the week may be too late for Oldmeadow.

Ultralights
17th Jan 2005, 10:50
"i cant work Ot because i have to pick up my daughter from day care, but if i refuse, i might get suspended" = lost sleep, fatigue, inability to concentrate properly.

see a doctor as the stress of this situation might cause an accident that could cost lives.

Redstone
17th Jan 2005, 14:38
If manpower is that tight, perhaps management should release the oh & bs guys from their office, oh thats right.....there goes the bonus........

Mr Qantas
17th Jan 2005, 19:08
Weve now suspended pct courses to the lames involved in the bans and if they dont stop type courses comes next. You fools is doing irepairable damage to the good name of the alaea and lames in general and it must stop.

The lame doesnt need to sign that preflite check anyway and its been approved by CASA so I dont see what the problem is. They dont sign it at Virgin and Jetstar and everywere in the world so just get over yourselves and take a reality check. Why dont you all just pull your heads in and start working with your union. Follow there lead and work with Qantas to make our airline viable in the short and long term.

schnauzer
17th Jan 2005, 20:44
The lame doesnt need to sign that preflite check anyway and its been approved by CASA so I dont see what the problem is. They dont sign it at Virgin and Jetstar and everywere in the world so just get over yourselves and take a reality check.
I understand that this is what Qantas are planning anyway. Why don't you just come out and say it?

HotDog
17th Jan 2005, 21:25
Mr Qantas, you should really invest in an English dictionary before your next post. It is you that is giving Lames a bad name.

Sunfish
17th Jan 2005, 21:28
Mr.Qantas is scared he is going to be replaced by an Indian. Let me give you a little advice; no matter how much you toady to management, you can expect nothing in return. In fact,your unpopularity with your staff will make you the first to be made redundant.

And unless you all act together - pilots flight attendants and ground staff, to severly and quickly jolt Dixon out of his comfort zone,you will all lose.

Moment of Clarity
18th Jan 2005, 04:25
O/T bans are now only going to contribute to the company's resolve in moving more jobs away from the core company and into 'safe' contracted jobs where industrial action has less impact on product.

While they'll acknowlege that LAME's are a necessary evil, the impact that these remaining LAME's will have will be reduced to finding defects when the aircraft have stopped operating for the day.

Maintaining jobs at QF should be of paramount importance to all. Once again, I would ask if someone could LOGICALLY (not emotionally) explain to me how the Jetstar product will NOT have an effect on Domestic operations and thus employment, how we can fight the 'no engineer transit' when it has already been approved by FAA and JAR and is already in the approved QF procedures, and finally how O/T bans are going to help maintain of improve the prospect of further employment with QF.

I ask in hope of just ONE logical arguement.

Sunfish
18th Jan 2005, 06:14
I would have thought the real issue is mintaining Qantas's brand image. there appear to be two components to this

- its reputation as having a laid back friendly Australian style cabin staff, and associated service levels.

- its reputation for safety.


Dixon's changes put both of these at risk in my opinion, not that change is not needed, it obviously is.

O/S cabin staff do not have the capability to provide the type of service that Qantas was world renowned for in the 1970's

I will give you an example - I once watched a Qantas steward at LHR in about 1977 engage with a family of Poms migrating to Australia. It was obvious that Mum and Dad were a bit unsure of their decision and the kids were apprehensive too as they buckled up. The steward sussed out their situation and spent a lot of time putting them at ease and talking about their plans with them. totally disarmed and charmed the kids "you lot, orange juice- liquid Australian sunshine get it in yer" and so on. New crew did likewise. It just made you proud.

2. Qantas has a safety record that was not produced by good luck. My guess is that Dixon and Co. are now relying on luck. probably following the U.S. "buy it and fly it" minimum maintenance model. I guess Dixon never read Feynemans appendix to the Challenger disaster report. Just because it hasn't happened yet, dosn't mean it can't happen.


In the U.S. now, smart companies use an audit of organisational health and capability performed by consultants before and after the reign of a CEO to accurately measure what a CEO has contributed. The purpose of this is to ensure that a CEO does not maximise his own bonus and wealth by short term thinking that leaves a shattered wreck of a corporation behind him.

I regret to say that every one of Dixon's strategies has the hallmark of very short term thinking that will grievieously hurt the organisation.

The correct task of a CEO is to maximise shareholder value IN THE LONG TERM.

planemad2
18th Jan 2005, 06:21
Maybe Dixon will base himself in India. :rolleyes:

I'd like to see that. ;)

And pay himself as an Indian of course. :uhoh:

ziggy007
18th Jan 2005, 11:19
Can anyone actually tell me what happened to the LAME stood down in MEL? Wasn't there supposed to be a meeting today? God help both the Asn and the company if he doesnt get a favourable outcome. For that matter, god help us all , the travelling public included, in this whole debacle.

rudderless1
18th Jan 2005, 22:34
He is still stood down. The company has nothing on him, but good ol' BD and co are suggesting untruthes to various people to elicite a response to hang someone?

Confirm the truth before believing the crap eminating from their mouths.

Where is the union?

Can't anyone see blantent, selfishness and greed coupled with short sightedness is destroying this airline and our great country.

WE ARE NOT AMERICA NOR DO WE WISH TO BE LIKE THEM!

Moment of Clarity
19th Jan 2005, 01:25
Sunfish

I appreciate your effort in conveying your interpretations of the 'real issues'. Where others have dismissed an oppurtunity to openly discuss this issue, you have taken the time to reply and it is appreciated, however.....(you knew it was coming!)

The QF product you speak of is the product of a Government owned era, where money was of no real concern and competition within Australia was negligable. I'm sure you'd agree that the aviation climate today is far different from what it was both Internationally and Domestically.

We like to believe that people fly with our Flag carrier for unsurpassed service, reliability and safety. This is a very big misconception. The reasons people fly QF are cheap fares, Oneworld links, frequent flyer (taken a bit of a battering lately) and cheap fares!

If service, reliability and safety were of such importance, you wouldnt see QF management cutting costs the way they are at the moment. They are cutting costs in order to provide a cheaper, more accessable, product for the general public. Which leads me on to.....

Where does the LAME and engineering fit into all of this. If we maintain our reluctance to change, we could quite possibly price ourselves out of the market. Sure engineers will always be required, but in what capacity and in what numbers is really going to depend on us, and our union.

With this in mind, I honestly believe it prudent for all to consider whats on offer from QF in the latest EBA. It may not be palatable at first, but it may be all that stands between keeping jobs at QF, in Australia, or losing the jobs to overseas interests.

vortsa
19th Jan 2005, 01:38
Thankyou for your insight Tim, but when are you going to grow a backbone.

planemad2
19th Jan 2005, 01:54
Well at least it is nice to see someone from Qantas Management admit that they are cutting costs on service, reliability and safety. :rolleyes:

If service, reliability and safety were of such importance, you wouldnt see QF management cutting costs the way they are at the moment.

bugsmashing
19th Jan 2005, 03:10
MOC,

I have to disagree with your assessment. You say that we like to think that people fly QANTAS because of its:

"unsurpassed service, reliability and safety"

That is exactly the reason I USE to fly QANTAS. Over time, all of these aspects have diminished to levels that are equal to or below competitors. This use to be a distinguishing characteristic of QANTAS that meant I was willing to pay a little extra to travel with the flying kangaroo.

Now, under the careful eye of Chainsaw Dixon and his loyal troops, these qualities no longer exist for QANTAS to stand out from the crowd, and I go seeking the lowest price. If this is QANTAS, I'll fly them, if it's someone else, I'll fly that airline.

Bringing QANTAS down to the level of its competition as far as service, reliability and safety goes, means the only competitive advantage left is price. So now managment has to continually cut costs to lower prices to stay ahead. From my experience, it doesn't even have a great advantage here.

I wouldn't consider FF points and Oneworld links to be that attractive to the general community, especially considering the recent publicity regarding QANTAS' FF changes. How many people know anything about Oneworld anyway? Travel agents would be aware of this, but see EeastWest Loco's recent post regarding his attitutde to QF after their recent cutting of payment to travel agents.

Looking at your businesses' cost structure and removing "the fat" is a sensible practice. Slashing your costs at the expense of staff morale, product quality and customer satisfaction is not a formula for long term success in any industry. If you support this plan, can you show me an example of a airline that used this formula for long-term success?

Orville
19th Jan 2005, 03:46
Who's in it for the long term, definately not dixon and his executive staff. After he has made a few years of record profits he will move on to something else and take his baggage with him.( hopefully)
The share holders can sell out any old time, the only people who are going to be around to see Qantas in the future will be the staff, lets hope there will be something left to salvage after he has moved on.
There will be no good memories of him and his kind in years to come.

Moment of Clarity
20th Jan 2005, 01:25
bugsmashing, I appreciate your honesty and perspective on the current situation.

You have essentially confirmed my beliefs on the question of 'Why do people fly QF'. Oneworld may not be of much importance to the Australian Domestic market (well obviously anyway!), but the number of pax that can book a 'through' flight from one carrier, say British, and use the Oneworld network to get from Heathrow to Roma definately increases the pax loads for QF.

Look around at the post 9/11 aviation industry. Look at the Industrial reform being spearheaded by the Australian government. Look at the added competition in the region and how much is subsidised by THEIR governments (ie. Singapore, Malaysian etc).

Whether we like it or not facts are facts. We either deal with it, or we sink. Who's in for the long term? From a management perspective, who cares? Slash and burn is the flavour of the month. As engineers how much can we change QF corporate attitude.....very little if any I would say. So we deal with it. How we deal with it will define the future we have in this industry and the part we play.

Survival of the fittest. Level heads must prevail. Emotion must be removed from the equation, and we must move on in partnership with the company that pays our wages. Once again, I ask only that you consider the facts I place before you.

bugsmashing
20th Jan 2005, 03:52
Hi again MOC, thanks for the reply

I don't think any reasonable person would disagree that the aviation industry as a whole has become far more volatile in the last five years and many airlines have collapsed, gone into receivership or being forced to rely on government assistance to survive.

However, through luck, good managment or other reasons, neither QF or DJ have experienced any of these issues. Yet, for over three years, we have heard Geoff Dixon using these horror stories to justify why QF can't afford to give staff pay increases and why Australian jobs need to be moved offshore.

Immediately after 9/11, Geoff Dixon was able to force a wage freeze on staff. QF then announced a net profit of A$428 million. After accepting the wage freeze, the unions asked for some level of job security, which QF refused. This is the sort of partner that Dixon likes to be. Since then, there have been redundancies each year, while profits continue to increase.

A CEO is paid his bonuses depending on the growth of share holder value, which is based on profit growth. He is supposed to increase profits by growing the company. Finding new opportunities and the such. Unfortunately, along the way, someone worked out "Hey, if I just cull 1000 staff and make the rest work harder, we make a bigger profit and I get more money". Rinse, wash, repeat.

You ask "Who's in for the long term?" The employees are for a start. Their future is heavily invested with the company. Most don't have the financial resources to survive without the employment the company gives them. Will working with the management this time be any different from past experiences? Will it just reinforce to them that they can continue to remove jobs as they please?

The Fremantle Doctor
20th Jan 2005, 06:27
So far from what I've heard and read our O/T bans are having great effect. I see them at the least showing unity of Licenced Engineers and demonstrating the worth of 'Good Faith' shown by Engineers, and taken for granted by QANTAS, in the amount of O/T worked normally.

David Cox isnt so happy, and therfore neither are any of the managers beneath him. They have targeted individuals in an attempt to stem the effect of the bans, but members have stuck to their guns.

With these feeble attempts to incriminate people, and the bans going so well, why am I hearing rumours that the ALAEA is going to make this all official. This along with Bruce Deahms Line Maintenance newsletter saying we should take any grievances to our union, something just doesnt smell right. If these bans are going so well, why give QANTAS the oppurtunity to fight this industrially? We're killing them at the moment and the protection of being directed by the ALAEA isnt all that great anyway.

Stay united and out of sight. They cant hit what they cant see. They can try but dont have much chance of doing any real damage.