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AerBabe
24th Nov 2004, 14:31
I seem to have rented an non-thermostable (or should that be thermounstable?) flat. :(

In the summer I had to have all the windows and the front door open just to get enough draft to keep cool. Now the temperature has dropped it's freezing even with the heating on. My friend, who flies open cockpit aircraft, sat in my living room with his flying jacket on, shivering. What can I do?

There is some insulation in the roof and my landlord is going to pay for more. I've bought some thin acrylic sheeting to 'double-glaze' my windows, hung a thick curtain over the front door and borrowed three oil-filled radiators (my flat comes with electric convection heaters :ugh: ). It has helped, but I still need ideas. I can't spend the whole of winter wearing my Ozee suit. :{

Mr Chips
24th Nov 2004, 14:33
Aerbabe you are asking Jetblast men for ideas on keeping you warm??? What kind of response you think you gonna get???? Are you new here?? ;)

Being a gentleman, I won't make the crass (but genuine) offer of sharing bodyheat, and some horizontal aerobics :E :E :E

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 14:35
Chippy, you mentioning body heat. You're so skinny you gotta run around in the shower to get wet! Oh wait, I forgot, you Pomgolians take baths. :E

timmcat
24th Nov 2004, 14:40
You rotton gits, the lady needs some serious answers!

Have you tried an electric fan heater? Only a few quid from Currys, we had a similar problem in the office last year when the builders were in. Bought a couple and the place got red hot real quick. More effective than oil filled radiators I would have thought.

AerBabe
24th Nov 2004, 14:40
Mr Chips - It's too cold for that. There are... performance?... issues. :p

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 14:42
Those electric heaters really chew electricity. My first year in London we had a similar situation. I have never seen a power bill as high.

You could always set the couch on fire.

AerBabe
24th Nov 2004, 14:45
New fire reg's mean that the couch is non-flammable. :sad:
The main problem is cash flow. There's no point me paying out loads of money to get the chimney fixed (yes, there is one, but apparently it leaks...) and buy a fire basket, if it's cheaper to run my expensive electric heaters for two years. If I had bought the place it would be different.

Parapunter
24th Nov 2004, 14:45
I'm with Jerrico. There's nothing like a here & now solution, what harm can come of it?


ps. Thought it was only us dangly lot what wore Ozee suits. Good ain't they?

ORAC
24th Nov 2004, 14:46
Do what the monks used to do in the middle ages when they had no windows, just holes in the walls of their cells.

Drink 8 pints of beer and eat 6000 calories a day ... :E

AerBabe
24th Nov 2004, 14:47
I'm half-way to being a dangly, Parapunter... I'm a motorised deckchairer. :E

airship
24th Nov 2004, 14:53
At times, this really works: I imagine how absolutely hot and sweaty I felt just a few months ago laying where I am. And I remember back then how I imagined just a few months before, about how absolutely cold and fresh it was...;)

May I suggest a couple of cats? No performance issues there. And you can throw them off the bed when it gets too hot for a cuddle...:E

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 14:57
Drink 8 pints of beer and eat 6000 calories a day ...

Yeah!! Beer and pizza diet!! You'll be insulated in no time. And after the couch, you can torch the cat. The heat will move around the house :E

Just be glad you ain't here at the moment!

METAR CYWG 240900Z 01002KT 15SM BKN027 BKN040 OVC052 M08/M10 A3002 RMK SC3SC4SC1 SLP181

They say we're getting a MAXIMUM of -5C. What the hell have I done?!?!

lasernigel
24th Nov 2004, 14:59
Firstly buy some thermal underwear.
Secondly ask bounder of a "friend" who kept HIS flying jacket on to help a poor maiden in distress.
Finally get a bed warmer..preferably male,large in stature(more to cuddle up to) and with no inhibitions.

P.S. If you can't find the third item I can be persauded:E

fishtits
24th Nov 2004, 15:01
Assuming it's an old building with minimal insulation....

Increasing the insulation in the ceiling will help matters, however it will not solve the problem. A major amount of the heat you are producing is being absorbed by the brick/blockwork of the walls and (if applicable) the concrete floors. Ideal solution is to dry-line the walls with an insulated plasterboard, but it's expensive and disruptive (will your landlord pay for it?) but the best long term solution.

I would advise against the electric blow heaters, as Jezzer said - they'll cripple you with Leccy bills and are also crap for the environment in this respect (power consumption)

If I was you I would ask the landlord to fit double glazing & dry-line the walls (get quotes for the work off 3 different companies) and be prepared to settle for one or the other (either will make a big difference)

I'd also get a couple of storage heaters installed (they switch on at night on low-cost leccy tariff and then dissipate the heat over the course of the day) - they cost from 150 but will give huge savings long term over convection type heaters

Best of Luck,

FT

PS shaggin like a rabbit'll heat you up as well :E

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 15:07
Ok, enough with the jokes.

Check around the windows and doors to see if there are any gaps that are letting a draft in. If so, head down to local hardware place and purchase some draft blocking tape (the thicker the better) to place around the frame.

One has to be a little carful though about sealing a place up too air-tight, as add a bit of moisture, and the mould will start.

(Here's (http://www.househuntingintoronto.com/home_improvement/isolation.htm) a site. Sorry it's Canadian, but some tips)

BTW, Fishy rabbits have fur mate!! That helps.

DishMan
24th Nov 2004, 15:11
You need one of these propane space heaters pumping out 148 000 BTUs.
Warm you up in no time!

http://www.drapertools.com/draper/images/details/65956_DSH160.jpg

Seriously, go around to your local 'lecky board.
They should be able to advise you on the best heating solution and any what the land-lord can do to help.
Off-peak storage heaters may be a solution.

I am assuming you've done all the draft excluding things....

timmcat
24th Nov 2004, 15:13
Someone suggesting Draper shoves out a load of hot air?

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 15:14
Why oh why did I know that expelling hot air and Draper were going to eventually be involved !?! (Sorry mate ;) )

fishtits
24th Nov 2004, 15:16
Jezzer,

I said shagging like a rabbit helps.... but I like your thinking on this one... :D

Q: Do you love your rabbit?

A: Only when it's cold...


:cool:

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 15:17
I'm betting you're a regular on www.hamsterandductttape.whatever. :E

(Sorry AerBabe)

DishMan
24th Nov 2004, 15:20
Timmcat absolutely not.
It's just the BIGGEST BTU output I came up with in the UK.
:rolleyes:

fishtits
24th Nov 2004, 15:20
Shit... have you been reading my mail again?

:oh:

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 15:27
Nah mate. The local vet has grassed on ya ;)

GroundGirl
24th Nov 2004, 15:38
If you have draughts under your doors use rolled and taped up newspapers as draught excluders. I live in a very old house which is just the same. I have invested in an electric blanket and it is the most wonderful thing in the world!! My chimney on the other hand is in a working condition so open fires are the way forward where I live!!

MSF
24th Nov 2004, 15:38
Aerbabe
You mentioned a fireplace.
Chances are, thats where all your heat is going - straight up the chimney.

How do make a cat go Woof!

Dip it in petrol and strike a match...

AerBabe
24th Nov 2004, 15:39
I have checked for draft-inducing gaps. Hence the curtain by the front door. I'm sure the windows are a bit drafty too... hence the acrylic 'double-glazing'.

Unfortunately, the last chap who lived here only used it occasionally and he doesn't really feel the cold. Hence, according to my landlord, the place "doesn't have a history of being hard to heat". :ugh:

So I'll get in touch with London Zoo and adopt several large furry animals. Some to share a bed with & some to sleep with. :E :yuk:

Editted to say the chimney has a jumper stuffed up it and is sealed off with film & a piece of thin board.

Groundbased
24th Nov 2004, 15:43
I've found portable calor gas heaters to be pretty effective and economical. I bought one two years ago, cost about 60 including a full cylinder, which I guess would last a week to 10 days of heavy usage. lots of petrol stations sell the replacement cannisters.

Drink a lot is another good idea. I understand that due to capillary action it won't do you any good, but it should take your mind off it.

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 15:44
and adopt several large furry animals.

I've heard bears burn good.

AerBabe
24th Nov 2004, 17:02
I've just been up in the ceiling with several rolls of rock wool... and found a soddin' great big wasps' nest. :uhoh: Wondered why they kept appearing from the kitchen light during the summer.
It'll keep me warm running away from the buggas. :rolleyes:

airship
24th Nov 2004, 17:30
All this reminds me of when I used to share a great big (but draughty) house in my younger days...

At times, there was just me and 3 girls. Otherwise there were just 2 of each of us, all in our separate bedrooms, as far as I'm aware :E But it was a big house and in those days, we spent more on the phone bill than heating. Even with 2 storage heaters on it felt cold. That was when I experienced for the very first time that completely sober girls will try to snuggle their feet under one's bum while watching TV on the sofa. ;)

Sharing a house was never always just good times though. Oh, the countless times those girls would leave their washing in the machine. One had to hang it all up before being able to use it for one's own laundry. Having to manipulate all those little panties and tights, no clothes line ever shook so much...:E :)

VFE
24th Nov 2004, 17:38
Start drinking.

Even if the drink don't warm you up, you'll be too pissed to care about the cold after a coupla hours.

There - sorted.

Can close this thread now.

VFE.

SyllogismCheck
24th Nov 2004, 17:59
VFE is close, just slight refinement needed for the perfect plan.

Stay by the roaring fire in the local every evening until closing time spending the cash saved on heating the flat, wobble home, climb under duvet, sleep/pass out, repeat till spring.

Genius eh? :rolleyes:

fernytickles
24th Nov 2004, 18:06
Have you tried doing a google search on the energy efficiency council, or whatever they are called these days? They might be able to advise on why the heating/insulation is proving to be so inefficient, and might have some helpful suggestions.

Being ultra-cynical, there's no way that your landlord is somehow syphoning off your heat and warming themself, is there?

Solid Rust Twotter
24th Nov 2004, 19:09
AB

Find yerself a fat boyfriend. In the winter yer can cuddle up and in summer yer can stand in the shade.:ok:

surely not
24th Nov 2004, 19:26
Or you could cancel the rental and go to rent a place that is warm....... couldn't you? :confused:

Boss Raptor
24th Nov 2004, 19:29
Get one of those boxes that makes yr meter run backwards...but dont do wot 'my friend' did and leave it on too long so it went back far further than the last meter reading...'my friend' had to turn everything on for a week in mid summer just to get it back up again...

Or jump leads onto a convenient 3 phase pole nearby...Cuban style :E

VFE
24th Nov 2004, 19:41
You have been watching too many episodes of 'Bottom' Boss! :ok:

VFE.

Solid Rust Twotter
24th Nov 2004, 19:48
Boss

Standard practise in South Africa. If the council goes into the township and disconnects the power the poor sod who gets sent in to do it is usually lynched. The monthly payment for power is a flat rate of around GBP4-00 which is subsidised by those living in the suburbs but it's obviously more fun to nick it.:(

Sparkle
24th Nov 2004, 21:20
rather than torching your pussy, stroke it, it'll last longer, and keep you warm,too:D

Jerricho
24th Nov 2004, 21:23
Thanks for that Mrs Sparkle Slocombe................. ;)

Send Clowns
25th Nov 2004, 00:17
Well, if you didn't have a new man in your life you know what I would offer to you ;) I'd help clear the wasps' nest too.

Feeton Terrafirma
25th Nov 2004, 02:13
if its that cold, it sounds like a two dog nite. Maybe 3. If your short of dogs, go to the local and find a few blokes. 1 bloke is = 2 dogs so if its a 3 dog nite, better be sure n get 2 blokes. ;)

Onan the Clumsy
25th Nov 2004, 02:47
That's a rounding issue :8

Gainesy
25th Nov 2004, 08:50
Er... why don't you put the jumper on instead of stuffin it up the chimney?:confused:

Kolibear
25th Nov 2004, 09:59
So you have an upstairs flat, 3 external walls, sash windows, no central heating and it was built early part of last century. (?) Any changes that you want to make in terms of adding wall insulation and installing heating will cost your landlord a lot of dosh and if your flat is in a Conservation Area you might be limited as to what you are allowed to do.

Only one thing for it - move. Use the winter to work out where you'd like to move too.

In the short term, plug all the gaps you can find around doors and windows - sticky-backed draft-proofing foam is cheap (and even cheaper in the market).

AerBabe
25th Nov 2004, 10:32
Kolibear - I don't want to move! At least, not in the near future... It costs a lot & I've done it five times in the last two years already.

It's actually a really nice flat - loads of room (especially now I've burned all the furniture) & a great little town. Not bad value for money.

Gainsey - It's not my jumper up the chimney. Believe me, I'm wearing mine.

Kolibear
25th Nov 2004, 10:54
Come -on AB, the answer is obvious - even you should have thought of it

:OHAVE A HOUSE-WARMING PARTY!!

And we're all invited :ok:

AerBabe
25th Nov 2004, 11:11
Budumn ching!



:rolleyes:

surely not
25th Nov 2004, 11:19
That wouldn't be............

Badumn ching..ford would it??

AerBabe
25th Nov 2004, 12:46
No, my car doesn't make those kind of noises any more. :suspect: