Min requirement of English ability for CX

[yossy]

I guess many pilots are working for CX from the countries where English is not spoken as a native language.
Does anyone have a comment about their English abbility from the native speaker's point of view. Do they speak English as fluently as native speaker?

I have over 3000TT with B737EFIS but hesitating appling for CX
due to my English ability.

Thank you in advance for your comment!

[FlyingMoggy2]

just an opinion, if u have 3000 TT i don't think your english is too bad :ok:

[VR-HDB]

Yossy, unless you are actively working on improving your english, why not apply now?

Moggy, the number of hours in your logbook does not have to reflect your level of english - there are many countries where you have non-english SOPs and radio communication.

[Flying Bagel]

Your typewritten English isn't bad. There are many I know who can do worse in the company.

Don't know if you don't try.

[K3nnyboy]

flying bagel,

Are you serious? Well please dun get the wrong idea, im not try to put anyone down. To be honest, my english is not really good, but I wanna join the cadet, don't know if i'd still have any chance.

Ken

[FlyingMoggy2]

ooops sorry i thought the flying industry world wide uses english to communicate :(

[Koyo]

If you worry that much, why don't you sign up for some English courses just to brush up? Your written English seem to be acceptable (hell mine is total garbage most of the time). I assume Aussie land have some sort of English As Second Language courses. I think it would be a good idea to improve the speaking skills. Don't forget that you have to communicate verbally over the radio as well. I'm for sure going to brush up my English even tho I been in Canada for 13 years.

[avistudent]

That's right :ok: I have been living in Canada for 14 years and I am still I love with this amazing language and non stop learning. I personally find written English is the toughest skill to master, and even a English speaking individual (as first language) can have problems in writing.

With English, the more you practice, the better it gets, both spoken and written. Reading also helps too!

Keep it up!

[FlyingMoggy2]

playing games could help sometimes :p
when 50 ppl talks to u at the same time and you try remember and reply to them all :O

[Koyo]

My god...don't you ever think Internet English is even close to being correct. If you do, you may end up writing the English test in 13375p3@k.

[kumo]

LOL
yossy ur question reminded me of an incident when i was getting back to hong kong at christmas last year. After the heavy-cantonese accented pilot spoke to everyone i heard a 6 or 7 yrs old little Australian girl in the front sit telling her dad she wouldnt hear a word the pilot said.
I guess if ppl put more effort into sounding clear even having some accent is not a problem, that pilot was obviously slacking big time probably we were already late and he just wanna 'move on'

[yossy]

Thank you for your replies.All of your comments are very helpful and encouraging.Now I study English very hard. For example read newspapers or web-sites writtten in English,sometimes post my question on this forum,and watch CNN or movie.
So I belive my English ability gradually improved,but not enough to work in professional team where English is spoken.Because I can understand only clear English spoken or written in CNN or newspaper but very hard to understand slang English such as spoken in movies.
I had my av-initio flight training in Australia almost 8 years ago,so my first flihgt experience up to 250hrs was in Australia. I could understand theory classes but sometimes got problems in ATC or in-flight communications with instructors. And pronouncing Eglish accurately is very hard to master for non-native speaker as kumo said. English has many phoneme which are not pronounced in my mother tongue Japanes.For example Englsih has more vowels than Japanese.
On the other hand, I know the fact that many pilots without enough Eglish ability fly international operations.

koyo thank you for many advices. I accessed 13375p3@k,but I could not know how to use it.

[Koyo]

Well CNN English is different because those people need to speak very clearly. However, accents can make things very difficult to understand if you haven't spend a few years in that region. Don't worry about the slangs that much since in a professional environment, they are not used that often if not at all. If you are not sure, ask what the other person meant.

PS: There was an accident long time ago between KLM and some other airline in Africa because of communication break down. The pilot thought the ATC said he had clearance to start the take off roll while the ATC really meant was to hold short. End up head on collision with everyone dead.

[mig21bis]

KLM and PANAM in Spain, two B747, one of the pilots was the chief instructor of KLM or something like that.