Todays performance 2 mark question

[escobar]

Who thought the 2 mark question todayw as very unfair as the answers, i presume one of these was right ,were c)469m and d)440m
What did everyone go for i went for d but in hindsight i reckon it was probably more

[Pilot16]

That particular mondays performance question had an impossible wieght value that cannot be derived nor extrapolated from fig 2.4 SEP 1 of CAP 698!!

ANYBODY ELSE FOUND THE SAME PROBLEM??

:confused:

[escobar]

you had to change the mass from kg to pounds

[andyfpilot]

Also the number you had to convert was on two seperate lines..so to start with that completely put me off as I thought the whole thing was a typo, and then I failed to see the Kg after the 270 on the second line!! Unfair if they dont credit that question to everyone I think...

[escobar]

I agree it was a total baz turd of a question. Out of interest, it was one of the answers either 469m or 440m wasn't it? and that amounted to three quarters of a 2mm box, and with the graphs its all guesstimate with how far up or down the graph you go, when its between the lines. Fair enough if the answers are a mile apart but unless i made a horrible mistake, the way this set of exams are going i wouldn't be suprised, they weren't

[andyfpilot]

So i hear it was one of those answers! But I just gave up and just guessed the 600 and something answer...I thought the whole question was just a typo...and it was in a way.

[escobar]

will we ever know if the question has been scrapped?

[andyfpilot]

who knows!! ..all I know is that I will be bringing this question up with the caa if I fail by 6%!

[escobar]

IS THAT HOW MUCH THAT QUESTION WAS WORTH!!!!!! Annoying

[Keith.Williams.]

Can any of you guys/gals remember the wording of the question?

It sounds like one for the SEP1 Fig 2.1 using something like, +18 Deg C, 1500 ft PAlt, 4 Kts tailwind and 1270 Kg TOM. I believe that the options are something like 415m, 440m, 525m, and 615m.

If it is this question, then you get about about 1500 ft out of the graph. Using the conversion factor on page 4 of the CAP, This converts into 457.2m which is not an option. But if you multiply it by the factor 1.15 you get 525.78. The problem is that strictly speaking this is the TODR not the TOD as asked for in the question.

[escobar]

Keith,

hi it was that question except 525 had been removed for 469m i think. I believe 525m is the feedback answer but having not seen the question before how can you determine whether its 440 or 469?

[Alex Whittingham]

Cabair and LGU are discussing this question with the CAA at the moment. I'll let you know what is decided.

[andyfpilot]

Hi Keith, If you were to put the 1

on a seperate line to the 270 kg that looks just about the question!

[SkyRocket10]

I agree the question was poorly sentenced and I believe both 440 and 468 could of been correct- there was very little margin for error!

The correct answer apparently was 468, although I believe the CAA may give credit for both 440 or 468.

[andyfpilot]

I think it should be for any answer in that question as some ppl thought the whole question was a typo! like me.. I thought maybe the 1 was meant to be a 3 and so went in on the graph at 3270 which came out somewhere near 615 when converted!

[flyaway777]

Hi,

I did the performance paper on Monday aswell, and there is something bugging me.

I have discussed the question with friends who also did the exam and we think that the best answer was 468, although it was so close it could be 440. It definitly was a terrible question!

My problem is, I cant remember if 468 was answer B or C.

Does anyone else remember?

Thanks.

[sheii]

flyaway777 468 was ans B..there was no ans giving a 1.15 increase included as mentioned above...lets hope they credit all of us for this cos it was mighty close...:(

[escobar]

Thanx for the responses, quite glad to hear that it wasn't me making some mental error. I did wonder if there was something i was/wasn't doing that would have given me the better spaced larger answers

[Keith.Williams.]

It sounds as if they have taken a screwed up question and "improved it" to make an even more screwed up question!!! The good news is that provided they accept the appeals everyone will get the marks (usually).

[escobar]

Hi,

Just a quick check as to whether anybody knows what happened with reagrds to the 2 mark question in the nov perf paper?

cheers

[Alex Whittingham]

Question 6, the TOD one, was credited because it didn't print properly. It has not been taken out of the question bank so it will undoubtably be back.

[escobar]

Alex,
Thanx for that, still don't have my results and am worrying about everything.