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Evening Star
1st Nov 2004, 08:33
[rant/on]

Can we just ship this bloody extortion nonsense back to where it came from. :* :* :* :yuk:

[rant/off]

There, said, but still in grumpy mood.

Actually, Mrs ES was in controlled tolerance mood. Were it not for her the trick would have been a bucket of water kept behind the front door. As it was, "Trick or treat Mister" got a "Load of bloody rot, you had better speak with the wife" type response.

And I am still in a grumpy mood even after sounding off. :*

Zeppelin
1st Nov 2004, 08:54
Could not agree more

Gets up my nose
The main winners being the shops who hype it up along with other yearly tripe i.e great grandfathers day, disadvantaged single parents day, it goes on and on :yuk:

Now you got me going.

Had about 5 visits last night, sure it was kids from the same group, individually collecting their 50p.

Leave me alone
Wanna slap

Very grumpy this morning
And whats next?

Bah humbug :ouch:

BlueDiamond
1st Nov 2004, 10:01
The practice of Trick or Treating may be (now) an American custom but it was probably the Scottish and Irish migrants who took it there.

Why on earth would anyone begrudge young kids a little bit of fun anyway? So long as there's a parent in the background to keep an eye on things the children will be safe enough and all you need to give them is a bikkie or lollipop for goodness sake.

Buster Hyman
1st Nov 2004, 10:06
...and after every treat, we all happily sing the "Star spangled banner"!:rolleyes:

The importation of "foreign" culture for profit is my beef! :hmm:

tony draper
1st Nov 2004, 10:22
True Mr H, just take a glance at the contents of the greeting card rack, cards for passing your driving test cards for passing exams,cards for offspring being hatched, cards for the newly dead being dispatched,cards for every possible event and none event that mark our lives, they proliferate(good word that)exponentially as fast as the card industry can hype em.
Trick or treating did not exist in my neck of the woods when one was a sprog, so presumably it is a recent creation by the sellers of masks, face paint, bin liners, sweeties and such.
The only tradesmen that rubbed their hands in Drapes days were the sellers of turnip,(turnip lamps preceded these flashy pumpkin thingies, just think what a coup for the UK pumpkin growers, a fruit totaly devoid of taste if reports are to be believed,n (one has never tasted pumkin)
:cool:

phnuff
1st Nov 2004, 10:48
An alleged history of Trick or Treat (source at the bottom)

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The history of Halloween, is it trick or is it treat? Was there poisoned candy? Take a look at this Holiday's history.
Trick or treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat. Can you believe that a holiday that inspires a song about feet smelling pulls in over 1.77 billion dollars every year? It’s even more amazing to realize that the majority of that money comes from candy.


Halloween is a holiday full of fun and tradition. It’s also full of origins. The precise lineage of Halloween as we currently know it, is unknown, what we have though is the knowledge of some basic centuries old customs that may have been precursors to Halloween traditions. One of the most important Halloween traditions is of course Trick or Treat. It’s one time out of the year when children, adults and high powered executives all have the same thing on their mind: candy. Candy companies work hard all year to ensure that they earn a spot on your “Return List” (The Return List consists of all of those houses that you hit a second time because they are offering the good stuff).


To these companies, Halloween is the Superbowl, it gives them a chance to make new friends and treat old fans. It may sound like careful planning and it is, but Halloween wasn’t always a ‘structured’ holiday, it used to be a day when adults would loose themselves in fantasy and kids could run wild in the streets, but the rampant talk of razor blades in apples and drugged up candy twisted everything around. After much research by numerous organizations, it has been decided that all of this talk is just that, talk. Sociologist Joel Best has studied the tales and determined that there has never been any evidence that Halloween candy has been tampered with and distributed to strangers. Still the stories have persisted, partly fueled on by three isolated incidents:


1964 - A woman in NY handed out dog biscuits, steel wool pads and ant poison (which was clearly marked) because she was upset at so many older teenagers who came around.


1974 - A boy died from a cyanide laced Pixie Stix. It was determined that his father had intentionally poisoned him to collect on the insurance. He felt that he would get away with the crime because he believed the stories that this type of thing “happened all the time”.


1982 - On the heels of the Tylenol Poisonings, 15 children and one adult become ill at a Halloween party. The cause was never determined. It is felt as if this was a copy cat crime.


Three sad cases fueled a public hysteria which led to the complete canceling of Trick or Treat in some areas while others had to follow much closer guidelines.


No matter what the “guidelines” are in each particular neighborhood, there is one constant, the Costumes. Dressing up has been around for as long as Halloween has, since the 5th Century BC. There are several schools of thought about how Trick or Treat came about. Everyone agrees that there was a Celtic Festival (called Samhain) that took place to celebrate the end of summer and the Celtic New Year. It was thought that on that night the laws of space and time would warp and the spirit world and the living could intermingle. Some believe that villagers, in an effort to frighten away any spirits looking for bodies and homes to posses, would dress up in “ghoulish” costumes and parade through the night. Others believe that the dressing up was done not so much to scare the spirits but to make them feel more at home.


These people would leave food out on their doorsteps for the spirits, hoping to ease the spirits journey through the night and in the process save their own houses. Mischievous children would dress up in costumes (as the spirits) and swipe the food from the doorstep. They got food, they were happy, the people thought the spirits had come and spared them so they were happy. Eventually homeowners figured out what was happening and stopped leaving food out, so the ever resourceful kids simply knocked on the door and begged for it, promising prayers for the dead in return. Another story places the origin of Trick or Treating on the Christian ritual of ‘Souling’. People would go door to door begging for Soul Cakes (flat, square breads). In return they promised to offer up prayers for any dead family members. As the cultures spread, these basic customs twisted and turned.


At the turn of the century, the basic costume was that of a ghost, simple, easy and recyclable. People started to get a little bored with these though so they moved into their closets and began dressing as whatever they had lying about the house, using hats, shoes, old clothes and rags to create what they could. Companies, always looking for the quick buck and ever eager to please, cashed in on the new fad and began putting together basic costumes to be sold at the dime store. Today we have masks of all types and shapes and costumes that seem to have a life of their own.


Halloween is the perfect holiday, it’s a universal Mardi Gras allowing everyone to become for one day, what they have always dreamed about while literally partying in the streets. It’s a time for the old to become young again and the young to try on a ‘grown-up’ role. Halloween candy is so much more than chocolate and nuts, it’s a great equalizer, a time traveler wrapped in cellophane. It allows us to see where we’ve been and where we may be headed.






Written by Noell Wolfgram Evans
Copyright 2002 by PageWise, Inc
IT DRIVES ME MAD> I'M GLAD WE WERE NOT INLAST NIGHT

radeng
1st Nov 2004, 11:11
I suppose it's not much worse than 'penny for the guy' (although these days it more likely '50p for the guy'.)

Radeng has the standard reply of 'It's very cheap, thanks, but I don't want one'.

Yes, I am an old curmudgeon - and proud of it!

Paterbrat
1st Nov 2004, 11:26
Bloody hell radeng prices must be up here in 'the smoke' , anything less than a quid gets a nasty look.

BRL
1st Nov 2004, 11:58
I don't mind it to be honest. My four yr old daughter and her little mates all love getting dressed up and going out doing it, they love it and so they should, kids love dressing up and Halloween really captures their imagination. It's great to see them so happy and excited like this.

What I don't like though is the teenagers coming to the door expecting money for ciggis and White Lightning or whatever is on offer at the offie. I laugh at them and tell them to grow up and pee off....!

I went to the local Asda yesterday and it was packed out at midday. As soon as you walked into the store you were presented with a huge display of 'Fun-pack' sized sweets like Maltesers, Mars bars, Milky-way, Smarties etc, there were loads of stuff like that for you as soon as you walked through the door. Just to the left of that was all the kit for dressing up and the usual assortment of pumpkins, stupidly over-priced too.

As I said, it was very busy for a Sunday lunchtime. I asked the checkout person if it was always like this and she said it is, it is starting to get worse as xmas gets nearer..... :rolleyes:

Halloween, great for the little ones but that is about it...........

airship
1st Nov 2004, 12:07
Halloween, great for the little ones but that is about it........... What, don't you use this time of year to have a chat with Long John Silver? :confused: One of these years, he's going to have too much of my Scotch before I do and tell me where he buried the treasure...:O

Curious Pax
1st Nov 2004, 12:07
Agree with BRL - fine for younger kids, but can't stand it with older ones. Had a steady stream of youngsters round last night (all under 10) and they were all quite happy with a few sweets from the tin. We then took CP Jr (aged 4) to show his costume to my parents, and having only been out for 45 minutes came back to found the 2 carved pumpkins that were by the front door had been trashed, presumably by some scrote who was annoyed not to get a reply when they knocked. Probably a good job we didn't catch them as I believe violence against criminals is no longer tolerated!! CP Jr now seems hell bent on questioning every under 10 that he meets, despite me pointing out that is was most likely older kids. B**tards.

redsnail
1st Nov 2004, 12:54
Fortunately I live in Luton in a roughish area and no parents really want their kids roaming around at night. :D

ramsrc
1st Nov 2004, 13:10
<rant>
A flaming nuisance if you ask me. Last year I was out on Halloween evening and came home to find copious quantities of toothpaste squirted into the doorbell/entryphone. Took me ages to dismantle the thing, clean out the mess and get it working again.

That got right up my nose - You give me something for nothing or I vandalise your property, unless you're not in - in which case I'll vandalise your property anyway. I am sure that has nothing to do with tradition - American, German, British or otherwise.
</rant>

This year covered up the entryphone with duck tape, switched it off for good measure and hoped for the best. It seemed to work - no vandalism when I left for work this morning.

The only tradesmen that rubbed their hands in Drapes days were the sellers of turnip Or marrows! A marrow makes a particularly good (if rather elongated) lantern.

MMEMatty
1st Nov 2004, 13:46
we had two round the student digs last night - gave them some choccy and then on their way.


However, does nobody else lament the loss of the Haloween Rhyme thingie? You know - "The sky is blue, the grass is green, have you got a penny for Halloween? If you havn't a penny a ha'penny will do, if you havnt a ha'penny then god bless you"?

Now its all "trick or treat"

ah well, i guess i really am an Old Fart now.

Matty

MadsDad
1st Nov 2004, 13:51
Didn't have narry a one round the house last night.

Trouble is we've now got a basketful of sweeties that MadsMum bought for the ocasion.

Anyone want a lolly?

Jerricho
1st Nov 2004, 14:25
*Cracks knuckles*

Right. Major rant on here.

Custom and all is understood. As it was our first Halloween here in North America, I was all ready to play the game. The first group of kids arrived at the door and I was met with "Happy Halloween". Big smiles and all, but I had to ask of of the older children "What does Happy Halloween mean?" Kid just shrugged and stuck his collection bag in my face (after I had already given him something). I closed the door.

5 mins later the doorbell rang again. At this stage I couldn't get to the door immediately as I couldn't find where I had put the candy down............and the bell rang again. Persistant little buggers, I found the candy and started heading to the door. The bell rang AGAIN! I got there, opened the door to be met by kids in costumes, being sensibly escorted around by a parent. Was again greeted with "Happy Halloween". Started handing out candy again and was met with "Have you got any money?". Startled, I look at the kid that asked the question. His mate standing next to him asked "Yeah.........money". I looked at the father standing behind them with a look of "You've got to be kidding" and he just shrugged at me. Gave out candy to each of them and said "Um, no money guys".

The reaction of the kid that asked the question astounded me. He pulled a sour face and kicked the front step with a "Awww........". Parent escort simply said "Oh well, we'll try the next house".. No thank you or anything. So that was that. I turned off the lights at the front of the house, which I was lead to believe was an indication to one and all I didn't want to play the "trick or treat" game............................

WRONG! A couple of minutes later the door bell rang. I ignored it, but unfortunately the dog didn't. He ran to the front door and started barking at the kids. The door bell rang again. At this stage the dog was going nuts, but to top it off, the kids started poking their faces up to the window and knocking on the window, which sent the dog into a frenzy. Mrs J had to almost physically restrain me from going out the front and kicking the little b*stards into the street.

Next year it's barbed wire round the front of the house, and me sitting on the roof with a fire hose. The whole thing is just a crock.

Kolibear
1st Nov 2004, 14:39
"Happy Halloween"?? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

Halloween is supposed to be a nasty, dark, evil occasion with witches, skeletons werewolves and fake blood, not a soft fluffy holiday.

'Happy Halloween' is a bit like saying 'Miserable Xmas everone and a Pi55-poor New Year!'

Jerricho
1st Nov 2004, 14:42
Exactly. It's all a load of excrement, it's pilled high in the shops with a price tag on it, and it stinks.

Guy at work here tells me his kids have 4 garbage bags full of candy. They actually had to return home half way through their "trick-or-treating" to drop off their plunder before going out again.

tu chan go
1st Nov 2004, 17:03
I used to live in the married patch of a place in South Wales which also had an American contingent (work that one out!).

Mid October, the doorbell would start ringing for 'Trick or Treat'. Last week in October, the T or Ters would be interpresed with 'Penny for the guy' which would last until mid November. Just before the last P for T Ger called, the carol singers would start. I opened the door one early December night to be met by 3 x 16 year olds who sang (off key) 'We wish you a Merry Christmas' - just the first line - no more. And then held their hands out for cash! I asked them if they knew the rest of the carol. Blank look - grumble - turn and walk off.

It's BEGGING for kids!! Mine have never been out doing it and they are 17 and 18 now.

ShyTorque
1st Nov 2004, 17:46
I answer the door wearing a glow in the dark demon mask with snarling, vampire teeth and large spikes sticking out all over the skull and face. Scared one poor mother out of her wits last night..... the little kids just laughed as I handed out the E numbers :E

Solid Rust Twotter
1st Nov 2004, 18:05
Mr Draper

Slices of pumpkin roasted with brown sugar, butter and cinnamon. Quite pleasant in a healthy kind of way.

Dead_Heading
1st Nov 2004, 18:29
Don't get any out here, not many people can be botherd to walk 5 miles between houses!

Blacksheep
2nd Nov 2004, 05:44
Is a superbowl where one keeps the candy? I can see that the candy is a treat, but what about the trick? I'd rather give the bairns a trick on All Hallows Eve, too much candy isn't good for the health you know and it makes the teeth fall out. Especially a whole superbowl full.

allan907
2nd Nov 2004, 10:34
It appears that this American import has stolen the innocent pleasure of "Mischief Night". In northern towns at least this charming folk festival was played out by the youth of the district on 4 November.

We saved up our 'penny bangers' for weeks and waited in high anticipation of the night in question. With much innocent fun we would light the bangers and pop them through letterboxes; fill paper bags with dog turds, set them alight and ring the doorbell; and when bangers and dog turds had run out simply ring the doorbell - time after time after time until the occupant had apoplexy or caught us and gave us a hiding. Even in those days we couldn't afford petrol to dribble through letterboxes!

Seem to remember that the police and fire brigade also enjoyed the evening 'cos it meant huge amounts of overtime!

Ahh, such simple pleasures of the 1950's. And I'm sure that the old guy in No 56 recovered from his burns.:ok:

maggioneato
2nd Nov 2004, 14:35
allan 907, yes I did all that stuff. I thought we were suposed to have been so well behaved in those days. Maybe not. :confused:

MadsDad
2nd Nov 2004, 14:59
Can remember saying to the kids (when somewhat grown up) "If I had caught you doing half the things I did when I was a kid I would probably have killed you".

I also remember my dad saying that to (a semi-adult) me).

unclenelli
2nd Nov 2004, 16:07
When kids come round "Trick or Treating", take them at their word - give them a trick or a treat!!

Required:
1 clear plastic freezer bag
1 tube of extra strong mints
1 tube of steradent denture cleaning tablets
Good eyesight

Add the mints and steradent to the bag and shake.
When the kids come to the door, place your hand into the bag and using your good eyesight, make sure you pick a mint (they're marked XXX or Extra Stong depending on the manufacturer) and pop it straight in your mouth.
Offer the bag to the kids and then close the door - they'll be foaming like rabid dogs by the end of the drive!!!!

PS DON'T TRY THIS FOR REAL - THE STERADENT TABLETS CARRY A HEALTH WARNING AGAINST EATING THEM!!!!

Standard Noise
2nd Nov 2004, 16:46
Awww unclenelli, couldn't you have told me that one a few days ago, that's just about my level of evilness.:E

We just keep the curtains closed and if the doorbell rings, we wind Lucy-fer up and let her run off down the passage to the door, funnily enough the doorbell rarely rings again.

Lance Murdoch
2nd Nov 2004, 17:55
I just ignore the little buggers. I don't really mind kids under 13 doing it but when teenagers are doing it, at any other time of the year it would be called demanding money with menaces:*

CAT1
2nd Nov 2004, 18:17
What's wrong with celebrating Halloween? It's another pagan festival that got hijacked by the Catholic Church, but the only one they never managed to completely alter (pun intended). As for Trick or Treat, if you give the kiddies something then they don't burn dog turds wrapped in newspaper on your doorstep. The fact that there's a commercial aspect to it is a symptom of modern society, and shouldn't be used as an excuse to slag it off. You still have Christmas dinner, don't you? Or Winter Solstice dinner as it should be named.
http://wilstar.com/holidays/hallown.htm

spork
2nd Nov 2004, 18:49
"It's another pagan festival that got hijacked by the Catholic Church" Hmm... Any chance of an explanation on that?

tony draper
2nd Nov 2004, 19:01
A lot of the Christian mythology was palgeriesed from other religions that predated christianity, ie Wotan hung up in a tree,stabbed in the side by spear fed by ravens managed to wriggle out of it three days later,sound familier?.
Even ritual cannabalism, ie the host predates it by a long way.

Jerricho
2nd Nov 2004, 23:08
I still don' t know WTF "Happy Halloween" means. :mad:

ontrackfor
3rd Nov 2004, 14:07
I had not ever witnessed trick-or-treating until moving into this neighbourhood. Sounds like a nice idea with mums and dads out and about and the kids meeting the people in their neighbourhood. Self lives up a secluded R.O.W. and thusly ended the night with a bag of mini-moros all to himself!

What gets me is this Guy-Fawkes carry-on.

Jerricho
3rd Nov 2004, 15:51
Ah, now there's another "celebration" that pissed me off. For weeks leading up to it ever smelly little jerk-off kid that got their hands on some fireworks would be letting them off. Guy-Fawkes night comes and goes, and for the next couple of weeks, same effin thing.

(This venting stuff is great)

sky9
3rd Nov 2004, 20:17
Always keep a packet of Fisherman's Friends" in; they can then decide if it is a "trick or a treat"

Fletchers Left Boot
30th Oct 2005, 20:12
well here we go again!

Doorbell goes a few minutes ago.. bunch of kids stood there "Trick or treat?!" :mad: Sent them away telling them that they are a day early and to come back tomorrow.

(by which time the doorbell will be disabled, all the lights at the front of the house will be off and the container plants round the front will be moved safely round to the back :O ) :mad:

Paterbrat
31st Oct 2005, 11:57
The little 'dears' seem to be geting more inventive with the 'tricks' these days. Either that or people are getting too sensitive for their own good, after all what's wrong with a petrol soaked rag through the letter box:confused: :uhoh:

Whirlygig
31st Oct 2005, 12:00
As long as it's not accompanied with a match it's very thoughtful. With the price of petrol, I'd get it over to my car filler cap and wring all the petrol out of it!!

Cheers

Whirls

Paterbrat
31st Oct 2005, 12:02
Unfortunately Whirls, the little scamps have bought the matches in anticipation of Guy Fawkes, and just practicing.

Duckbutt
31st Oct 2005, 12:55
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Twyler/Hall2.jpg

Paterbrat
31st Oct 2005, 14:50
Took me a moment to realise it aint a Pumpkin, Oh my goodness:ooh: wondered where the candle was.

Nevil Sopwith
31st Oct 2005, 15:03
Knock on the front door last night about 6, expecting the worst ie nasty greedy kids no manners etc, but there was this angel, 17, blond, cleavage like Madonna, gorgeous smile, held out her hand and said " I don't believe we have met "
What could I do but give her a Kit Kat and my last Club biscuit.
Roll on November 5th.

Paterbrat
31st Oct 2005, 15:06
If she was looking for sweets then she wasn't 17, just fibbing about that part of the story. Cleavage seems to be coming earlier and earlier.

G-CPTN
1st Nov 2005, 22:36
>What could I do but give her a Kit Kat and my last Club biscuit.

Did you just give her one?
(Vary the emphasis to derive the correct meaning.)

tony draper
1st Nov 2005, 22:42
Absolutely no sign of em round here last night,very quiet it were, perhaps the chain gun purrem off.
:E

Solid Rust Twotter
1st Nov 2005, 22:45
Always had a soft spot for chain shot myself. Very effective on soft skinned vehicles and such, I'm guessing.

acbus1
2nd Nov 2005, 10:10
Halloween?

All we do is keep curtains closed, lights to a minimum and don't answer the door.



Never mind, fireworks next. That'll cost a packet.

The Xmas. That'll cost a packet.

Then New Year inebriatio......sorry, celebrations. That'll cost a packet.

Then Easter......

Then Mother's Day.....

Then Father's Day......

Birthdays......


Good old rampant commercialism. :rolleyes:

Taildragger55
2nd Nov 2005, 10:21
Some comedian on TV here:
"You know Jehovah's Witnesses hate Hallow'een."
"For religious reasons?"
"No, they hate people coming to the door and annoying them."

Buster Hyman
2nd Nov 2005, 11:00
:ugh: Well Duckbutt, that's just put me off Pumpkin soup for life!:yuk:

Duckbutt
2nd Nov 2005, 11:05
My life has not entirely been pointless then!

Smeagol
2nd Nov 2005, 11:46
Just been reminded of a line from a Tom Lehrer (anyone remember him?) song:

'God rest ye merry merchants, may ye make the Yuletide PAY!'

Excellent observer of life was Mr Lehrer.

CWL2YOW
2nd Nov 2005, 15:08
I just experienced my first north American Halloween. I must admit that I have been very impressed as the whole of Canada seemed to have joined in. You were hard pressed to walk by a shop without seeing carved pumpkins or Halloween themed displays. People were making the effort to dress up to go to costume parties and enter into the spirit of things. I carved my first pumpkin and left it outside the house to let people know I was handing out candy.

I got home at about 6pm and young kids - with parents closely supervising - were out haunting the streets. Rather than just wearing a mask and saying "trick or treat" it appeared as if the kids and parents spent a great deal of time preparing for the night. The most impressive costumes were two girls who came to the house last, dressed as Queen Elizabeth I and the Ice Queen from the Narnia tales. The Queen dyed her hair red and the other Queen was dressed head to toe in white, complete with white make up. They definitely deserved a few candy bars. As well as the kids dressed as a bee, Barney the Dinosaur, angels, Darth Vader, pirates, chickens, vampires and a whole host more. Oh - and my girlfriend who went to work dressed as Marge Simpson, complete with home made green dress and towering blue hair.