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StickToFlying
13th Sep 2004, 07:22
Firstly, let me humbly apologise for my existence: I am in fact a wannabee who is seeking some quality advice from 'real' people.

I am presently applying for direct entry as a pilot. I am aware that it is not unheard of for aircrew to have the odd point on their driving license, however, I am quite concerned about the need to declare a conviction for 'driving without due care...'. (I might add that my main concern regards the need to trawl out the material facts at boarding, rather than the fact that the conviction itself exists.)

The conviction relates to an accident that happened nearly two years ago. I received a very light sentence, since the accident was caused by a genuine mistake on my part (due to lack of experience and training, rather than by recklessness). I can even talk about how I sought remedial training, but nevertheless, the actual circumstances of the accident do not 'read well', and I find it I almost impossible to put the story across without invoking, at least an initially, a reaction of horror. Even my closest of friends will jokingly quip: "And they still let you fly an aeroplane???...", or something to that effect.

I must emphasise once again that (at least in my opinion) anyone could have made this particular mistake under the same circumstances. However, I am sure that if the subject came up in my final board, then it would spell an immediate end to my prospective career; or at the very least, leave me wanting for several industrial sized packs of 'benefit of the doubt'!

My plan is to be very 'tactful' about details of the incident. I am mindful of the utmost need for integrity in an officer, but I also feel that I must follow the unwritten rule of any interview, whereby one is not expected to volunteer information that reflects badly upon oneself. So firstly, if I declare this conviction, (which of course I will if obliged to do so), will the board have access to the records of the material circumstances of the case? If so, will they check these as a matter of course? Do I run the risk of being escorted off the premises for being excessively diplomatic?

Secondly, I was told by the police that it was not necessary to declare driving convictions to a potential employer. I strongly suspect that this is not the case with the armed forces. I know that they are obliged to ask at the interview whether the candidate has had any involvement with the police or any convictions etc. However, could it be the case that the police were indeed correct, and that I am entitled to deny having any 'criminal convictions' due to this being a minor motoring offence?

rivetjoint
13th Sep 2004, 07:28
Have you spoken to the AFCO yet? You have to sign/fill in a rehibilitation of offenders act form when you're at the careers centre stage if I remember rightly. This will tell you just what you do and don't need to declare etc.

Mr C Hinecap
13th Sep 2004, 10:25
Integrity check.

Tell them. Explain it. Nothing else you can do. It is in your past. 'They' have ways of finding out.

Regie Mental
13th Sep 2004, 11:47
Bearing in mind that Driving without Due Care merely amounts to a failure to comply with the Highway Code, it shouldn't make a difference. Taking drivers to court after minor offences is an easy hit for the cops because the damage to the cars will speak for itself. Provided you explain it voluntarily you shouldn't have a problem (provided you didn't mow down a bus queue of pensioners).

November4
13th Sep 2004, 16:15
Didn't affect me joining up having a conviction for Driving without due care...

My date for joining was held up while the case came to court but as soon as it ws over, I was in within 4 weeks.

However that was 1984 and I was joining the ranks

BigGrecian
14th Sep 2004, 12:43
A trip to the AFCO will advise you. I have other Officer friends who have "worse" spent convictions than that, who got through OASC and now serve. I would just be prepared for questioning on the issue.

Melchett01
14th Sep 2004, 23:24
I couldn't honestly say whether it would impact on your application or not, so I'm not going to come off the fence.

What I would say is that if the matter comes up, cough up everything. If they raise the issue, it'll be because they know about it. Telling porkies or trying to bluff your case will only make things worse as they - and many others, would see it as a huge dent in your integrity. Ask anybody in uniform if they've made mistakes that they aren't proud of, and those with integrity will say yes. I have, and yes, I've had some very embarrassing moments apologising/ making good my mistakes. But that integrity is one of the cornerstones of commissioned life. If your fellow officers don't trust you, you've got no chance with the troops trusting you, and then it's game over.

As it is, you seem to deeply regret the whole incident, and have even taken steps to rectify what caused the problem. The board may not like the fact you had the accident, but you accepted responsibility and tried to learn from it. It shows a degree of maturity and that goes down well with the boards.

Don't go in screaming and shouting about it, but if the issue comes up, it happened, don't deny it, admit it, show how you learned from it; you could even suggest that bad life experiences such as this may help when it comes to looking after the troops; it would undoubtedly allow you to show more empathy when one of your troops comes to you in a similar situation as you have already been there. Whatever happens, good luck.

Always_broken_in_wilts
14th Sep 2004, 23:58
Mel......Excuse me seeming a little sensitive but:}

"Ask anybody in uniform if they've made mistakes that they aren't proud of, and those with integrity will say yes. I have, and yes, I've had some very embarrassing moments apologising/ making good my mistakes. But that integrity is one of the cornerstones of commissioned life. "

Integrity is one of the cornerstones of military life you twit and is not exclusive to "Royals".....go look at the "Breach" thread should you need confirmation.

Rant over:ok:

Sticky...........tell the truth and never waffle...worked for me at Biggin years ago and is the one sound piece of advice coming thru here:ok:

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

Pontius Navigator
15th Sep 2004, 18:59
Friend of mine used to drive beat up wrecks. Saved repair bills after the prangs. Only court martialled once for bending a jet.

My first Captain could have been had for flying without due care and attention. Copilot hit a runway marker board with the wing - not the tip!

My Nimrod QFI used to drive a car but he would never have flown in an aircraft as well maintained!

No, you are trained to fly properly and safely. They will give you plenty of opportunities to fly unsafely - and then chop you if you didn't learn the second time.