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Ultralights
11th Sep 2004, 23:15
Imagine, your the captain flying along happily, there is a small vibration engine reading indicate it as well, then a sudden bang, vibration stops, all reading normal.

then a few sec later, a member of the cabin crew call you out to look out the window, you then see this!
http://home.exetel.com.au/pamuva/Other%20stuff/webstuff/stiffdrinkneeded.jpeg

what would you do.

ZK-NSJ
11th Sep 2004, 23:27
ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking....
we are just about to start todays lesson on the inner workings of a jet engine...

Cactus Jack
12th Sep 2004, 00:04
Who got the tin opener past security?

DirtyPierre
12th Sep 2004, 00:56
The Irish guy in the seat beside you says,

" If we lose the other engine we'll be up here all night!"

ITCZ
12th Sep 2004, 02:26
"Well, you gotta hand it to those company engineers -- that engine is so clean you could eat your dinner off it."

gaunty
12th Sep 2004, 03:14
Mr Ramsden would be proud of it :) his "exploded" view drawings of just about everything that flew or was on an aircraft were an absolute work of art and the first stop when I got the mag.

Romeo Tango Alpha
12th Sep 2004, 03:39
"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome aboard this Jetstar flight from Sydney to Sydney. Please notice due to Dixon's Economics, we are returning to where we started from. Thank for for choosing to fly Budget Skippy"

OR

Airbus - Vive la Differance!

dudduddud
12th Sep 2004, 04:45
I would flick to the 'flapping cowl' section of the qrm.

Blue Line
12th Sep 2004, 05:00
"Afternoon Ladies & gentlemen, This is your captain, to the Gentlemen in 6a who wanted to know how a Jet engine works, I Sent the FO out , who removed the Cowls so you can have a better look, alas the FO hasn't returned so we are goign to have to go back & get him :E "

Milt
12th Sep 2004, 05:06
Well I'll be doggonned!!

How does the engine look on your side?

OK we've got one left. That'll get us back. And I don't see any malfuntions indicated yet.
The damn thing is still working but I'll back off on its power while we slow down a bit.

Call a Pan and tell them that we need priority for a heavy landing and emergency services alerted.
Better add that the cowlings have dropped off our left engine and we don't know where they went..

The pax are probably having fits. Better give them a confidence burst. Natter natter.

This one isn't in the book so I'll just do what seems best.

Some buffet. Why didn't we notice that before.?

Better at this speed.
Hydraulics OK.

While we are up here I'll drop the gear as a precaution and try some flap.

What speeds so I need for the landing at this weight.

Routine return?

How would a pro handle it?

GT-R
12th Sep 2004, 07:23
http://brawl-hall.com/gallery/data/media/5/stfu_n00b.gif

Wizofoz
12th Sep 2004, 10:08
I'd shut it down and land. Next?

Going Nowhere
12th Sep 2004, 11:48
Shut Down.
Land.
Beer. :ok:

flap35
12th Sep 2004, 21:47
Leave it running (use it) till you have to shut it down.
Land.:eek:

schweinhund
12th Sep 2004, 23:47
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome aboard Jetstar. Looks like one of our pushback devices lost it again. But dont worry. We are just as good as Virgin Blue. Watch now as I stall the aircraft to prove it! Yee haa!:}

tinpis
12th Sep 2004, 23:58
Capt. to F/O: " Thats the first time I have ever seen whats in there ! "

Mr McGoo
13th Sep 2004, 00:37
Why would you shut it down? It's only the cowl that's failed, the engine is running normally. There will be a slight increase in drag on that side which will be easily corrected with rudder and/or increased thrust on that side. Reduce to minimum speed to reduce the aerodynamic forces on the now exposed bits and make a normal two engine approach and landing. As to where that would be would depend on my position reference departure/destination/alternates.

Dibble&Grub
13th Sep 2004, 02:19
Assuming that the cowl has gone over the back and not down the intake (logically) and the engine's vital signs are good, keep it running and reduce to minimum practicable speed. Land at the nearest suitable and don't use reverse on that side. Turn it off after rollout and have a visual check for leaks before taking it to the gate.

Take a note of the exact position of the point of cowling departure (if possible) for subsequent recovery.

If nothing hit your flaps / aft surfaces - you are not that badly off at all. Any airframe vibration might well prompt a low speed handling check at a safe altitude. That top cowling support and associated connected panels looks like a candidate for departure so a track away from built up areas - as far as possible - would be worth asking for.

Definately a PAN to get traffic, routing and landing priority - but nothing more drastic.



The PA would prove the biggest challenge.

DG

PRD
13th Sep 2004, 02:46
NTSB Prelim Report (http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20040719X01004&key=1)

GT-R
13th Sep 2004, 02:59
As schweinhund suggested, don't forget to roll in 30o of bank Mc McGoo.

flichik
13th Sep 2004, 04:39
praps I'd change my pre-flight???

On eyre
13th Sep 2004, 05:18
Right on Flichik - let a pilot do it (tongue firmly in cheek of course)!!

Sperm Bank
13th Sep 2004, 05:59
Hey swine fester. You are a really funny guy. I mean how long did it take to scribe that little beauty?

So glad you are not representative of the average QF driver.

Capt_Zoolander
13th Sep 2004, 08:46
Wizofoz said " I'd shut it down and land. Next?"

Being a cautious fellow, I'd keep it running and only shut it down if it "blew up"

But it's a personal decision, at the end of the day the buck stops with the Captain.

Looking at the photo, they seem to be over a populated area, which means there is probably an airport not too far away. The cowling looks like it should fall off without doing any damage to the engine. I would think a better option would be to slow down to minimum speed and hope it does not fall off and "take out" the elevator.

Cheers,

Zoolander

:cool: :cool: :cool:

OZTECH
13th Sep 2004, 11:45
How about this:

1. Check the CDL :ok: :ok:

2. Then check procedures;)

OZTECH

Traffic
13th Sep 2004, 12:09
Pull down all the window shades on the port side...unless you are Ryanair..in which case it's Plan B ...a gobbleygook PA followed by some Father Ted with free drinks and peanuts.

bushy
13th Sep 2004, 12:10
What to do? Simple. Wid the altimeters back to zero. get out and go home.!!!!!

pilotsPeon
27th Sep 2004, 13:47
like to know if their is a picture of the pilots face?

weeeeeeeeeee

lame1
27th Sep 2004, 14:14
I could picture a conversation like......"..**** we are going to have to put up with the vib until we get to a manned base,dont want to get our buns kicked do we.I know we will call maint watch and get some help ,they always manage to keep us flying"

Gibbo
27th Sep 2004, 14:45
That's quite a big barrow you are pushing around in here lame1; three separate topics (two started by you!) that seem to be all about improving pilot's professionalism. :yuk:

itchybum
27th Sep 2004, 15:00
Lame1's very free and easy with the advice. He can afford to be, he doesn't have to be flown around in anything he's worked on!

Some quality workmanship in that image on page 1. Wonder if the Chief Mechanic got his ar$e sacked?

Back to the days when the mechanic goes along for the first flight after he's "worked" on it. That should cut down on the incidents...!

:ok:

Cold beers woulda tasted mighty good to the lads after that cock-up. Engineering Dept'll be buying the slabs for months to come...............

lame1
28th Sep 2004, 14:36
Look guys and girls i really do like you all.Ive been in the industry for years.Some of you ,that seem worried about my replies probably havent been flying too long and just want to fly (unserviceable ) a/c because you love flying and that phone call from ops may seem daunting ..And as for the majority of pilots that this thread is not aimed at ,continue doing what you do well, ie fly and enjoy the rewards of both study and training.We as LAME's expect the same respect.Our certification should give you all a warm and fuzzy feeling inside and your families should be happy that we are there to serve your needs.
What seems alarming these days is that we need to put a crystal ball in a tool kit,for the FEW that dont report ALL defects.