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Wirraway
7th Sep 2004, 04:55
Tues "The Australian"

Defence up in the air over F-111 policy
Robert Gottliebsen
September 07, 2004

WHILE the ALP is vulnerable in the election campaign because of the link between its industrial relations policies and interest rates, the Government's policy weakness is in air defence.

Unfortunately, air defence struggles to hit the headlines when compared to the popular issues but longer term it is more important because it goes to the heart of our security.

The risks we are taking in air defence were underlined by last month's amazing pre-election decision of the all-party Joint Standing Committee on Defence.

It recommended that the defence minister in the next parliament conduct an inquiry into the ability of the Australian Defence Force to maintain air superiority in our region to 2020 – the linchpin of our defence strategy .

It then went further and recommended that in 2006 the government should make a statement focusing on the delivery date for the replacement combat aircraft and the decision to retire the F-111 and, in the meantime, instruct the defence chiefs not to run down the F-111.

Clearly the defence chiefs have not convinced either the Government or the Labour members of the committee that they have the right answers.

The defence chiefs believe we should phase out the F-111 and concentrate on making the F/A-18A far more powerful with better equipment and backup network technology.

The danger in this strategy is that the F/A-18A struggles against the Russian-built Sukhoi, which is being bought by Indonesia, China and India and will have similar network equipment.

The alternative strategy is to improve the equipment inside and around the F-111.

The defence chiefs claimed that the F-111 was unreliable but they were aggressively challenged on this assumption.

In particular, shadow defence minister Kim Beazley believes they are likely to be wrong.

After reviewing the evidence and the experts' conflicting opinions, the all-party committee clearly believes there is at least a good case for extending the F111's life.

When it comes to replacing current aircraft the defence chiefs favour (but have not committed themselves to) the Joint Strike Fighter, which is in the early stage of development. The JSF has all the hazards of a new plane, including ballooning costs and possible long delays, which underlines the importance of making the right decision on the F-111. And many believe Australia should choose the F/A-22, another US plane which is already developed.

Writing in the ASPI Journal, RAAF chief Air Marshal Angus Houston concedes the popularity of the F/A-22 and says: "The F/A-22 will be the most outstanding fighter aircraft ever built. It may even represent the end of the line in manned fighters. Every fighter pilot in the air force would clearly love to fly it."

He then sets out a series of magnificent new features incorporated in the F/A-22 and details how the aircraft is being developed to extend its ability.

But in the end Houston and the other defence chiefs still favour the JSF over the F/A-22 and Houston points out that the JSF will have advantages in many areas, including versatility and the ability to carry larger weapons.

Nevertheless, the JSF is the biggest single purchase Australia has ever undertaken and to be buying an untested aircraft over one that is "the most outstanding aircraft ever built" is taking an incredible risk.

The defence chiefs also use cost/benefit to justify the JSF and say that the JSF's cost forecasts are about $US45 million ($63 million) compared with $US153 million for an F/A-22.

The clear implication is that you can get three JSFs for every one F/A-22, so it makes more sense to take the JSF.

But Britain estimates that the cost of the JSF is about $US100 million – more than twice the Australian estimate.

It seems that we may have used a figure that would only apply if we bought the aircraft much later in its production run and we do not count the necessary investment in backup and installation systems.

If John Howard wins the next election, he should seriously consider appointing a different defence minister because these are vital issues that need a second look.

If Mark Latham wins, you can be sure that Kim Beazley will carry out the instructions of the joint standing committee.

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C-FTR
7th Sep 2004, 09:59
So as I understand it;
-Politicians have a better understanding of our Defence needs, than that of our defence chiefs - must be all that service experience they have.
-The "experts" in Australian Air Power have in the past included the likes of Carlo Kopp.
-The F-111 should not be run down so that we can maintain air superiority in the region through till 2020
-The FA-18A is inferior to the Russian built Sukhoi's so the obvious answer is to improve the F-111.
-The experts would rather have a fleet of 30 F-22's that we can then not afford to operate or maintain as opposed to near 100 JSF.
-We should replace a multirole fighter and long range strike platform with an air superiority fighter.

If only these same politicians were as much of an expert in economic matters as they are in defence requirements we would all be so much better off....

turbinejunkie
7th Sep 2004, 12:00
Australia's Air Defence Needs?

IMHO, quite simple really:

1) Keep the Pig!!! :cool:
2) Drop the Joint Strike Fighter :hmm: :ugh: :suspect:
3) Purchase the FA-22 Raptor instead! ;) :ok:

Why settle for second rate when we can afford quality and need it?

TJ:ok:

itchybum
7th Sep 2004, 12:27
Bit of a hard decision when Australia has already sunk 100s of millions of dollars into the development of the JSF ( I believe, though not sure how much).maintain air superiority in the region DO we HAVE air superiority NOW??? I don't think so.

I'd like to see them bite the bullet and get a combination of the two types. But I'm no expert, I just like to see lots of jets.

scran
8th Sep 2004, 01:35
Will the US sell the F22 to ANYONE?


No-one has been offered the jet, and the best you would get would be a dumb-downed version........:cool:

Obiwan
8th Sep 2004, 03:13
No-one has been offered the jet, and the best you would get would be a dumb-downed version........ Well that's no different to the dumbed down F-35 that the RAF, RN, RAAF et al will get :rolleyes:

I like the idea of this F/B-22 that's been tossed around. Nice replacement for the F-111 from what I've read. We might even be able to afford 2, 3 if we're lucky :ok:

Frank Burden
8th Sep 2004, 04:44
With the F-111 we have an unsurpassed regional capability to drop public relations leaflets should the capability be required.

It cannot be replaced with an air superiority/multi-role compromise bitsa aircraft like the F-35 even with a beefed up air to air refuelling fleet. We need to make sure that the apologist and politically correct in Defence (civilian and uniformed who are more interested in their own career progression) are kept in check and our ability to project national power in the region is protected.

What's wrong with 20 F-22s and 100 F-35s and less main battlefield tanks?:ouch: :ok:
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Frank Burden

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