J31 course not far away

[Blue Line]

Just heard the word went out for the remaining guys off the last ground course for possable starts in October, but seeing Air Nsn have givin them the :ok: , Looks liek Origin will need some more chaps & chapesses in the near future.

I think the min they are looking for is 120 Multi but I'd say that would be a tough figure to get atm so if ya got a multi rating & a bit of time have a crack :cool:

[incidentreport]

Ha Ha... serves them right!!!
Now who do I send a CV to?? 120 multi sounds a bit more like me!!!

[ZK-DAN]

..................BA!....................................... ..

[Cloud Cutter]

Surely there are more people around with 200+ multi, I can think of several off hand (although they may not be applying to OPAL?). Eagle seem to be interviewing the sub 150s now also (aparently one with only 50).

[MeatHunter]

ZK DAN

Surely you mean........Baaaaaaaaaaa............
MH

[Split Flap]

Roll up! Roll up!

The minimum requirements are as follows

1500tt (flexible if you have good multi)
250me (fair bit of pic in that)
100 IF (the more the better)

A few people on the books with that sort of time. May not be around when the call come thought so in the future these requirements may drop.

In return for working on the mighty 31/32 you get a handsome salary of $28K ($29K if you have all your ATPLS) no rises in pay untill you get a command or reassigned to a different aircraft. Crappy allowances. No seniority and the threat of it all going tits up on you. The company has no obligation to give you a command. Ever. The contract is for a co-pilot.
The conditions are constantly erroding.
At the last union talks the best offer the company could do for its pilots was a $20 (yes, twenty dollars and no cents) a month pay rise, the generosity was overwhelming. And it took the negotiation team 9 months to get that.
The bosses sat down when things were looking bad and told us all that staying here was the best thing to do, please don't apply for other airlines this is a great place to work bla bla bla and then they all ran off and had interveiws with Pac Blue. Nice one.
Sounds like you? Fill ya boots! Nelson Rocks! Great guys to work with.

[Eurocap]

For some that is more than they are receiving now!!!!

[incidentreport]

Split Flap...
Any idea when they will be running this course?? I thought they had a couple of guys still waiting on starts.

[Luke SkyToddler]

$28K for a J31 FO ... jesus h christ ... I knew there was a reason why I left NZ :(

A turboprop FO here in the UK earns about that much in £ sterling ...

[MOR]

Any direct-entry commands going...??? ;)

10K+ total time... 3000 on J31... will work for water crackers... :}

So what do they pay their captains then?

[incidentreport]

MOR...
Be prepared for a huge pay packet of $50,000... oh and don't forget you can top that up by a huge overnight allowance of $50!!!! (But ya gotta buy your KFC out of that)

[Split Flap]

Greetings, I will attempt to answer the following questions in no particular order (Fairly similar to origin rostering).

Remember that generous allowance of 50K will not be awarded to you straight away, firstly you will be on a step pay of 36K for 3 months, 42K for 6 months after that, and then my god you move to the top salary scale of 50K (and yes once again it does not increase no matter how long you have been there).
In return for bestowing this honour upon you the company will bond you for the amount of $9K (YES NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS AND NO CENTS), for a period of 1 year after your knighthood.
Usually in most companies getting your command is a time for rejoycing, flight manual reading, training and after it is all over the consumption of gallons of hard liquior. At origin your 31/32 command is something you would rather give to someone you don't like.
Please also rememeber that you also get half the amount of annual leave awarded to every other turboprop driver in NZ (not sure about air nat).
Not sure when the course will be, late this year is all iv'e heard.
Euro cap, I agree that 28K is more than some GA pilots get paid in NZ, but remember, Origin is GA!
The point I was trying to make is that all the others get paid more than us with better conditions, if you can go somewhere else you will have more money. Simple.
Direct entry commands........ Management has talked about it in the past and it has been done but you would be about as popular as a pork chop in Jerusalem on a sunday with the first officers.

Keep the questions coming.....

[Giant Squid]

Nice one, just to chuck fat onto the fire I heard today that the company has just cancelled the next 2 days of negotiations with the pilots AT NO NOTICE!

ATTN: Origin Pilots

This is a complete waste of YOUR subs, ALPA's time, and is an insult to you in the fact the the company is :mad: ing on your back and telling you that it is raining. ALPA has been more than reasonable in it's negotiating and requests with the company and the goodwill has been thrown back in its face as stalling tactics by the company.
Just remember how co-operative they have been next time they ask you to come in on your day off.............. The only way the company will realise that the pilots are not happy with their lot is through lack of co-operation on your part.
Better still as you are now at your computer, update your CV and get a real job!!!
I hope all the lads will stick together, make some noise and show the company your disatisfaction.

[ZK-NSN]

splitflap/giant squid
Not part of the company cheerleading team obviously? I far from agree with alot of what the company doe's to its staff but feel i should make some points. I dont know if you fellows have been asleep for the last 6 months but the company very nearly went bankrupt a few months back (hense the fact they wont/cant shower it's pilots with payrise's)
Yes J31 f/o's get crudd money, they also only do about 3 days duty a week currently and when they do work the duties are much shorter with fewer/shorter sectors compared to most airlines... and is eagle pay much better?
ALPA have seen the books and should have figured out that until the company sorts out its new "direction" and gets some reservse's behind it, there is no money. I find it ironic ALPA crying because the company canned the days negotiations when last week they advised the company the day before that it had scheduled negotiations the next day.
Origin is a regional outfit and its pilots are generally in the early stages of their careers, it cannot compete with jet operations in areas of pay, conditions but mainly the lure of flying a big horny jet. It picks out from its pilots who show they want to stay in Nelson and offer them a few incentives to stay (training/fleet captain) and it has worked well for them.
The company has to consider the other 300 or so families who rely on it for employment and not just statisfy it pilots. Origin is a good place to work and Nelson is a great place to live. Do your homework and know what you are getting into before you commit (no pun intended)

[Split Flap]

NSN,

No I'm not a member of the cheerleading team, does shagging hosties count?

Good points, there are most certainly other mouths to feed apart from the pilots.

The fact is that it is very hard to negotiate if one party dosen't bother to show up. As for letting the company know when the meeting is, the dates and times are agreed by both parties at the end of the previous meeting.
The pilots want industry standard wages, nothing outrageous.

The fact is if you don't like it leave, which is what A LOT of the pilots will be doing shortly, it still suprises me that the company can't understand why?

The only reason that the boys arn't getting worked hard at the moment is that the company dosn't know what to do with us, if they needed to work us hard i'm sure we would be getting ridden like a mechanical bull.

As to those applying, as NSN says, do your homework, and be carefull what you wish for you just might get it.....

[splatgothebugs]

I would dare say that $29K if you have your ATPL's is a lot less than an eagle co.

If you also throw in EAG allowances and the fact that we get the 3% rise per year and staff travel I would say its a hell of alot better.

Also with the jump to command being about 18months at the moment the pay isn't to bad.

But this isn't a slagging match :ok:

Good luck

splat

[ZK-NSN]

I can see the point of veiw of both side's and im sure that when the place is doing more training than revenue flying it will dawn on them.

Split flap - Depends on how well you do it (it being them) Ringing their room and asking if they want a back massage is known to work. gimmly wont say no.

splat - why not everybody seems to enjoy a good slagging match.

[The Holy Grail]

Splat,

I haven't been a reader for long but in all of your posts you seem rather defensive of the horse float...are you a short red head?

[Don Won]

Just wondering is there any hope for the guys/girls for a better contract at OPAL or is this just pipe dreams at the mo?
Would have thought be pretty easy to negoitate for the F/O's I'm sure they don't want a silver platter just want to be in same ball park as the rest of the industary guys that do the same type of work ie Link drivers, Peanut = Horse float so round 32K/33k and 41=sabb so bot 40K
dats it

[Blue Line]

Latest word on the grapevine is that if ya going to send ya CV in ya better slap on some more stamps for fast post otherwise ya may not make it in time.

Heard calls may be going out end of this week / early next week :cool: GL to all that get the call :ok:

[incidentreport]

Blue Line...
Does that mean that everyone off the last course has been taken on?? Or are they just gearing up to f:mad:k more off by making the newbees wait too??

[Split Flap]

Everybody from the last course has been taken on..... just not by Origin ha ha.
Good on ya boys enjoy your fuller pockets.

Don Won, I very much doubt that much will result from the negotiations, the company say they are commited to a result but their actions have indicated otherwise. J41 co's are now 10K a year less off than their SAAB driving counterparts.

In fact 1900 co's actually (the ones iv'e talked to anyway) take home more a fortnight than a 41 pilot that has been a co for more than a year.

The current wave of resignations is the tip of the iceberg. Bout time that management tried to stem the flow.

[splatgothebugs]

The holy grail...............

I like my job and am not about to bag the company which got me out of GA and flying something decent.:ok:

Once appon a time EAG was the only option out of GA, ie there where bugger all if any direct entry jobs onto a SAAB. It just amazes me how quickly people forget that a while ago they would have been happy to go to EAG or anywhere just to get out of GA.

I can also assure you that I'm most deffinatly not the red haired chap you are thinking of.

DONT EVER FORGET WHERE YOU CAME FROM PEOPLE.:p

Back to the topic:

I thought that J41 crews where with contract air services??????????????

That shouldn't see there pay effected as they are not technically part of OPAL :confused:

splat:ok:

[Cloud Cutter]

Splat

I think that was just the ATR drivers that were with Conair, pretty sure J41 crews are employed by OPAL.

I doubt origin will have many 1500/250 applicants given that EAG are interviewing plenty down to 1000 TT or 100 multi.

[Puinarny]

Splat

Yes you are correct in saying that once appon a time EAG was the only place that would take you out of GA, however this has not been the case for sometime now as you should know.

Thier are still quite a few people around with higher time. ie over 1500tt and 400multi who havent applyed to EAG (mainly because thier are to many pepole like the little red man you are talking about that are working their) hence EAG are interviewing people with alot less time.

Cloud Clutter

As far as I am know the J41 guys in CH were employed by conair along with the ATR guys. The J41 guys in Nelson are employed by OPAL.

[splatgothebugs]

Cheers that clarifies the J41 thing.............I think.

Puinarny.

For the few around with interesting attitudes :} the rest are good buggers(bugeressessssss). Every company has people in it who are, shall we say twats but thats not how you should judge anything in life.

It pays to always look at the big picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

splat :ok:

[shovel]

Ok so tell me this. If the J31 fo is only working 3 duty days as suggested why run another ground course? Fom what i've heard in the past pilots were getting called in to work standby days before a course was run.

[Split Flap]

Shovel,

Because the schedule is about to change and the good times are not going to last long for the lads, arses will be worked shortly, there are also a few upgrades from the 31 to the 41 recently and if they don't watch it they will get caught short. Also 41 course shortly.
Let the fistings continue!

[Blue Line]

Anyone know if the calls went out already?
GL to whose to got the call if they did :ok:

[ZK-NSN]

New schedule is'nt going to work the boys any harder, They can see alot of pilots with c.v's at ANZ so they are crewing to cover that as well as the upgrades. If ANZ are interveiwing 16 a month it would be fair to assume at least 3 or 4 will be from QO.

[Heres Waldo]

Gee Sheeral!!!!!!!!!!! I thought if you ASSUME you make an ASS of U and ME.

Like the old cow cocky in TA said assumption is the mother of all F:mad: K ups.

Beauty.:rolleyes:

[purplemonkydishwashr]

Wha' cho talkin' bout Waldo! Have ANZ got a problem with Origin drivers. They seem to have taken a few in the past.

[Blue Line]

Don't think uncle Koru would have any problem taking the lads from Origin, at the end of the day a turboprob is a turboprob & the management in air nsn & eagle would be happier as big bro is not making them train fresh meat :E

[Split Flap]

New Schedule not going to work the boys any harder?

I'll reserve judgement untill it happens, in the meantime you will have to excuse me as I stand with my back firmly against the wall.

[BCF Breath]

ZK-NSN
If ANZ are interveiwing 16 a month it would be fair to assume at least 3 or 4 will be from QO.
Don't know where you got that gem from?
More likely 6 a month if you divide 100 (pilots) by 18 (months).
Given a months off here and there for the recruiting chaps to rest..
So 8 an interview and 100 pilots to hire from Jun '04 to Dec '05.
I think there's an OP guy on the course at the moment..??
Just get the hours and gap it to Big Bro. ($$$)

[Cheeky Whitey]

J41 Course not far away either...



Split Flap, check your Private Messages.

[Cloud Cutter]

Cheeky Whitey

Have the calls gone out yet? Anyone else?

[big buddah]

As far as I know calls haven't gone out yet, marbe up 10???? not to informed on how many.
Yes there will be a j31 and a j41 course.
There will be new hires direct j41.
All will be Nelson based.

[always inverted]

Heard that there is a j-41 course sheduled for november-ish.
Does anyone know when the calls for that and the 31 will be made.

[ZK-NSN]

BCF. Being a bit slower than the average bear i'm finding it hard to pick up what part of my "gem" you have a beef with, I was told by a chap who recently interveiwed with ANZ that ANZ are interveiwing 16 per month (2 lots of 8) As for ASSUMING it would be at least 3 to 4, well thats what it is, an assumption. I now about assumption so i'll save everyone the trouble of telling me what the mother of assumption is. 1 ex QO due is on the 737 course at the moment, good dude too.

Split - After seeing the way it's being crewed i'll have to agree with you. How did the launch go?

Expect J41 course within 1-2 months.

[Cloud Cutter]

i'll save everyone the trouble of telling me what the mother of assumption is
It's actually the offspring of assumption:} (the mother of assumption is the grandmother of all f:mad: kups)

[Split Flap]

NSN,

The launch was perfect, much trumpeting etc etc bikinis etc etc

[Bombay]

BCF Breath:

Air NZ are doing two interviews a month, 8 on each, for the forseeable future anyway. Heard that two weeks ago from someone in Air NZ recruiting. So, 16 per month is absolutely right.

And they are interviewing a lot more than 100 over the next 12-18 months or so.

[ZK-NSN]

Cloudcutter - whatever dude you get the drift, I wont bore you with my family-tree.:}

[duche55]

Where do i apply for air nelson i have 1300 total with 300 multi

d

[CT7]

Try ringing 0800 AIR NSN and select option 5, then ask away.

Although I wouldda thought one might have guessed at an address to write to, to request an application form..........if one was really that interested.....