EPTA and FLYJET?? (merged)

[salapilot]

Just saw flight and EPTA (European Pilot Training Academy) are advertising for an assessment selection programe on behalf of Flyjet for First Officers.

Can anyone shed any light re if this for exisiting CPL/IR holders or is this a spnsorship programme ?

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[Washed Out]

Most definately not a sponsorship!

Requirements are:

500 hrs TT, Fr. ATPL.

You will have to apply to EPTA, do some writen exams, ie maths, tech paper, phsycometric test, as well as an interview and sim assessment (for which you pay £700 or so).

If you pass you get to pay £22k for a 757/767 type rating.

Letters were sent out friday to ex-students who EPTA felt met the hours requirements.

[18greens]

For £22k would you not want a rating for a 737 or an airbus.

Do you want a rating for a plane they don't make any more?

[captaintrigger]

Does anyone know anything about the deal with Epta And Flyjet???
I have recently finished my training at Epta ( Bloody good it was too)
I have heard about some deal about doing A 757 type rating and then working for Fly Jet.
Anyone got any Info as there is nothing on their website!!
Cheers

[Fuel Crossfeed]

Excuse my ignorance but who are EPTA, are they a training organisation and if so what are they advertising??

[captaintrigger]

European Pilot Training Academy in Bournemouth. they are a flight training organisation. have a look at their website www.eptauk.com

[shaablamm]

Surely the guys/gals at EPTA should be the ones to ask and then perhaps you could enlighten everyone else.

Doesnt sound likely....

I for one will be watching with interest to see what anyone comes up with.

[itchy kitchin]

epta has been contracted by flyjet and air atlanta to supply 4 757/767 pilots for the start of next year. min requirtements frozen atpl and 500 hrs.
oh yeah, and then there's the small matter of 22 and a half grand which needs to be stumped up.

i just did my MCC there and they were absolutly first class. great instructors and sim, but no money left this end of the training!

[scroggs]

'EPTA has been contracted by Air Atlanta and Flyjet to supply four pilots...'

....who are going to pay 22 thousand quid for the privilege of working. Nice deal for Air Atlanta; crap deal for all professional pilots.

Scroggs

[BillieBob]

Why do CCAT find it necessary to hide behind the name EPTA? The operation at BOH is nothing more than a satellite of Cranfield. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but why the smoke and mirrors?

I suppose this deal is going to be another nice little earner for ATD who, presumably, will get the type-rating work as a thinly disguised subsidiary of Air Atlanta.

[OBK!]

Is this for ex-EPTA students only or can anyone acces the advert/application?

Cheers
OBK

[Chuffer Chadley]

Yet another "opportunity" that means stumping up £700 (or however much) just to do an EPTA assessment, and then be eligible to pay £22.5k to get a job with FlyJet (whoopeee :uhoh: ).

Lucky, lucky us!

I will be avoiding this one, but there's no doubt whatsoever that EPTA will find 4 idiots to stump up this sort of cash.

And the success of the airline industry in the never-ending quest to recruit the people with the richest Dads will go on.

Oh, for a wannabees union that we could all join, and boycott this sort of opportunism effectively.

Ciao
CC

[BronzeAge]

CC, Totally agree with you.

Spoke to a guy last week who paid over £90000.......yes £90000 for the whole of his training plus a guarenteed jet job. He then gets to work for six months on expenses.

Where will this lunacy end?
:sad:

[Robthestudent]

This is just another money making scam, if EPTA were genuinely interested in provididng a service to their ex students there should no fee. £700 is a small amount in the overall scheme of things however I am sure EPTA will measure the success of the scam sorry I meant scheme by the number of applicants, and what happens to the people who fail the appitude test. Do they get their money back....

[StudentInDebt]

Cabair have a long and distinguished history of charging a fortune to candidates for airline cadet selection days. Used to be £50 here, £150 there, now they are actually selecting people for type ratings they can charge through the roof.

I expect part of the selection process will be those old GCSE Maths and Physics papers and a team of interns and instructors tasked to mark them all for nowt. The sim assessment in a Frasca or if you are lucky, whichever heap on stilts they are using for MCC
courses.

Stay away from schemes like these - 4 pilots, thats all they are after and you have to pay through the nose for the privilige. The more people who stay away, the greater the chance ideas like this will die a death. If you want to lobby against this sort of outrageous fleecing after a fleecing you all need to do is start telling BALPA to get its crew councils to change things in the airlines.

[kpx1124]

The big question is how many people they will accept for the training. The EPTA letter says something along the lines of:

"...out of those successfully completing the course, four will be picked as pilots for Flyjet..."

So, can we assume that after going through the initial selection and then parting with £22k for the TR you still aren't guaranteed a job.

Supposing they select 25 guys and gals for the type rating? This all turns into a nice little earner for EPTA/ATD... just my thoughts, of course!

[flybypilot]

I agree with some of thecomments made but some of you are going a bit over the top.

Firstly there is no smoke and mirrors from CCAT to EPTA. Cabair only own a major share. It is other than that an independent company.

From what I have been told on my investigations is that only the 4 selected pilots will go on to the type rating and the sim check will not be done on the frasca 242 but on the 757 simulator at Gatwick.

I will not be going for this scheme because, like most of you I feel 25000 is a lot of money, not only that but more money than I have.

There is no guarentee of a job, but a very high chance. It is purely based on the industry maintaining its current strength and continuing to recover and expand.

[Fuel Crossfeed]

So if people pass the scheme and the course and I'm guessing an interview with Flyjet, what happens when the redundancies occur at Mytravel. Was this scheme set into motion before the MYT redundancies announcement.
All those boeing pilots with 1000'S of hours line flying, etops experience on the B757/767.
Then a guy/gal straight out of a type rating course with - 1hour worth of circuits.
Which will they choose??

[LDG_GEAR _MONITOR]

this has all gone quiet ! so is no one going for this deal?whats the feelings on this ?

is it worth the 23K ? anybody found anything out or where to get details about this offer?are the min requirments set in stone?or flexible? is a 1st time cpl and IR test req?or a dis advantage if u dont have them 1st attempt?

[Chuffer Chadley]

LGM

No, it isn't worth £23k. It is a gamble for you, and a great money-making opportunity for EPTA.

I actually asked EPTA to send me the details (out of morbid curiosity), and have had no response.

Anybody actually got anything from them at all?

Ciao
CC

[Peggy Murphy]

It would seem that the boss at EPTA has really put the icing on the cake now. His latest move was to deny a past student a reference for a major airline........ just to state that he studied at Bournemouth. Trying to prevent your students from getting jobs that they have paid so much for........... It's disgusting. If you want to pay for a type rating, do it privately. You dont need a middle-man ripping you off along the way.

[LDG_GEAR _MONITOR]

so the deadline of 24/9/04 approaches - has anyone applied? or know anyone that has applied - or is this that dodgy a deal noone as bothered? or is the 22K puttin people off ?

[Kirks gusset]

Just read this posting.

I have it on good authority that this scheme is nothing to do with Flyjet and they already have a number of applicants with hours on type waiting in the wings.

Caution...

[Tamer]

Of course they do, 120 MyTravel Guys and Gals, most current, rated and experienced.

[Vee One...Rotate]

I have moments of being an idealist (and in total agreement with Scroggs and others about this whole SSTR malarky...as a wannabe it makes me slightly angry and worried at the same time) and moments when I picture myself as a realist in a few years time...if I have financial commitments (house, partner, whatever) and the opportunity of a particularly attractive SSTR package presents itself...and I could afford it (to get into a job which will pay the bills/debst)...would I do it? It's easy to say I'd stick by my principles and not but I can't help thinking that, if the circumstances were right and I had others to support, I'd be tempted.

Don't get me wrong - the idea of PAYING for the privelage of being assessed makes me somewhat furious...as does the whole SSTR philosophy...but like I say, if a young pilot finds him/herself really feeling the financial burden, has a young child or two and elects to go down the SSTR route to fastrack his/her career...could I really blame them? I suppose it's easy to be strongly anti-SSTR when you're in a job or not at this stage yet (like myself)...and therein probably lies the problem. Not everyone can afford to be an idealist all of the time. Until everyone can, these SSTRs will no doubt continue to exist.

It's not a pretty picture out there at the minute.

V1R :(

[LDG_GEAR _MONITOR]

so did anyone hear anything? did anyone sign up for this deal ? just curious as i backed out when i read the paperwork and wondered if this actually came to anything !

[Gin Slinger]

Speaking recently to someone in my company with a lot of all round industry knowledge, he offered the opinion that the 757 is quickly taking over from where the 727 was 15 years ago, i.e. only good for freight. [I doubt there's a single major European passenger airline that wouldn't swap their 757s right now for A320/737NG family aircraft, assuming they weren't locked in through a very cheap lease deal / a very expensive to terminate lease deal / lack of money to do anything different.]

If I was going to invest this sort of money in a type rating, I certainly wouldn't pick the 757, however much I'd wish to fly it, which incidentally I'd love to.

[real contender]

does anyone have information as to what happened to the 4 students that were selected from EPTA to self sponsor 757 type ratings and work for FlyJet/ air Atlanta.