Air Nostrum/Denim Airways

[abracadabra]

Does anyone know what the relationship is between these two?

Are Denim supplying Air Nostrum with ALL their turboprop pilots? Or just a few?

Also, is the Air Nostrum turboprop fleet separate from the jet fleet? Or can Air Nostrum turboprop pilots get promoted onto the CRJ?

I've read a few posts on this but can't figure out from them nor from the respective websites what the situation is.

Would appreciate any help and information!

Thanks,

-abra

[peluco]

Denim was owned by Air Nostrum, but it was sold , and many of the Fokker 50 and their pilots are now working for Air Nostrum. These pilots from Netherlands are working here, so if there is any possibility to promote to CRJ 200, I think they can.

[abracadabra]

thanks for you help peluco

so I gather that some of the fokker pilots are Dutch (from Denim) and the rest are Spanish.

do you know if the same applies for the dash fleet?

[pablo]

Hi!

As far as I know the fleet are not separated, just some dash are PH reg. Spanish pilots promote from the ATR and DASH to the CRJ, but I dont know if the same applies for ex-denim pilots.

I think they got rid of the fokkers, and they now only operate CRJ, ATR and DASH.

Cheers!

[Fokkerdriver]

Hello!!

Denim Air is a wet-lease company flying for several bigger companies of which Air Nostrum is the biggest contractor.

We still operate Fokker 50 and Dash 8 in Spain. All the PH registreret aircraft are crewed by mainly Dutch people. It is not possible for Denim Air crew to advance onto the CRJ.

Hope this answers your questions!!

Best regards from Spain.

[abracadabra]

Thanks for all your helpful replies.

I'm going to be cheeky and ask if anyone knows anything about pay and conditions on the Air Nostrum Dash fleet (not Denim)....

PPNJ doesn't have anything about Air Nostrum.

-Cheers!

[ECHIE]

Hi,

I am a atr type rated pilot and interested in joining airnostum. Can anybody tell me what the pay is(starting f/o) and how many years to command?

Gracias,

Theo

[eijk1234]

Hi guys,

I work for Denim Air, so I hope I can explain this complicated situation a bit for you.

Denim Air, like the fokkerdriver said is a wetlease operator. For Air Nostrum we operator right now 5 Dash-8 and 6 Fokker 50´s. This is all very seperate from air nostrum.

Air nostrum has some 19 crj´s, 18 Dash-8´s and 4 ATR´s. Give or take a few, not totally sure about those numbers. If you work for them you would normally start on the Dash-8 and move to crj after 2 years. But in recent times Air Nostrum is getting fed up with all the training costs, for when you move to the left seat it would be back on the dash-8. So now they are sticking people in either division and keep them there. The ATR´s are planned to be faced out and should be not a big factor.

To work for Air Nostrum you would require the following:
- fluent spanish, otherwise forget it, they wont take you
- a very nice friend in a good place in the company

If you don´t come from this region and the last thing doesn´t make sense to you, well I can say this. In past times you might come in if you are a nice guy or girl and you fly well. But now things are more tight, not so many people get hired. So the only one that does, is the guy or girl who knows somebody in the company. Maybe things will turn for the better in the future but right now it is like this.

About the terms:
Well we (the pilots) really blew this one good for our selfs. It used to be a sweet deal. They pay your type rating, and you start at a reasonable salary (for a turbo-prop driver that it). Thing about 2000 euro as an f/o. But because there are so many eager-beaver pilots who are willing to pay money to work, air nostrum could not resist any longer. Now you HAVE to pay your own type rating at 20.000 euro´s. Also the salary is gonna be **** the first year or two. I don´t know the correct numbers but it is well rumoured that the guys get less then the stewardesses. And they make about 900 euro´s a month so that can´t be good.

So the only ones that seem to start now in Air Nostrum seem to be guys with loads of money and good connections, who know that it will be hard times at first but that the victory is at the end. Because all set and done it is a financially great company. I regularly fly 6 legs on a day where all planes are full and it is all regional business class tickets, so not the cheapest ones. Nice feeling sometimes.

Sally, if you are surprised by these things but have an interest in flying in Spain I would suggest you to try Vuelling or Iberworld. They seem to offer higher chances for people from abroad.

gl with all

[abracadabra]

If they're requiring people to pay for their own ratings, would having a Dash-8 type rating and a load of experience on type help at all?

eijk,

thanks for your informative, if depressing, reply! :cool:

[arugbarbarroja]

Good old days flew away from Spain.