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Stormshadow2
17th Jul 2004, 01:17
Is it not the case that a leader is responsible for all under his or her command at the time they give the order. In addition to this is it not correct that when they give such orders their immediate subordinates should be allowed the chance to point out any obvious errors or misgivings.

If this is the case is it not a clear case of cowerdice and lack of moral fibre to announce the biggest shake up in the Armed Forces for several years the day before Parliament goes into recess, therefore not allowing questioning and debate by the elected representatives.

This realtime cut in defence spending, despite the recent spin, is symptomatic of the present Government's attitude to the military. We will do what they ask, despite the dubious intel that leads to many deaths and injuries, because that is what we signed up to. However, to then be told that that many must lose their job as well, just so Bliar can win the next election, is not only rubbing salt in the wounds it is a grave dishonour to those who died and where injured in service of their country.

It is not time that we stood up to the political hierarchay and told them that we are no longer prepared to stand for such life and death political gamesmanship. It is also not time that Geff Hoon and the Government was prepared to admit that members of the both very loyal and capable Armed Forces died, were injured and continue to be at peril because of the decisions of individuals who didn't understand the consequences of their cabinet room discussions.

AdLib
17th Jul 2004, 08:21
I especially enjoyed the last paragraph ... :}

YellowBelly
17th Jul 2004, 08:28
"Is it not time that we stood up to the political hierarchay and told them that we are no longer prepared to stand for such life and death political gamesmanship."

Indeed - and the benefit of living in a democracy is that we can vote them out at the next general election.

Av18tor
17th Jul 2004, 09:27
Power to the people!! (must be a journo!) Here, I've had an Idea!... How about a strike!!
;) ;) ;) :E :E :E

WE Branch Fanatic
17th Jul 2004, 11:07
Is it me, or can anyone else see the links between the decline of the following...

a) Integrity and courage of politicians
b) Integrity and standards in the media
c) Standards of behaviour in society
d) Law and order
e) UK national pride, identity, confidence and self esteem.
f) Scientific and technical capabilities
g) Defence capabilities
h) Influence in the world

Also see this thread here. (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111156)

JessTheDog
17th Jul 2004, 12:20
We are being turned into a typical New Labour failing public service. The management and target culture of "balanced score cards" and "resource accounting codes". The obsession with "corporate communications". The civilianisation of the military culture. Our raison d'etre now is to provide positive publicity for the government at the minimum of cost to the taxpayer.

Well, if you can't beat them then join them! Stop "playing the game" and "getting on with it" and start looking out for number one! Instead of asking "how high" when told to jump, try saying "not enough money in the budget" or quoting red tape regulations! Depressing, but that appears to be the way it is!

Leprechaun
17th Jul 2004, 17:08
Strike sounds good!!
Could we start it the day before we come back from leave?
Do they still hang you for mutiny?:uhoh:

akula
17th Jul 2004, 21:52
Lets not strike but show those in power why we joined...


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