All Things EMA

[egnxema]

With various topics having been discussed it might be good to have a thread bringing together all things to do with EMA at the moment.

With various subjects hanging in the wings, what are the latest bits of gossip flying arround your neck of the airport?

The ICC meeting, held at DHL's offices on 04/06/04 had item * on the agenda as:

8. Presentation on New Terminal Development

Anyone heard anything?

bmi regional are adjusting their schedules/routes mid summer, rumours of CPH from EMA. What is the latest regional news?

How is the easyJet fully self service check in going?

What are the latest FR rumours?

Lets have a big EMA melting pot, I'm sure 737James, mike16 and Little Blue may all have good info to add.........................

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[bmibaby.com]

How is the easyJet fully self service check in going?

Speaking to a friend of mine who works for Servisair at NEMA, not too well. Apparently, the machines are constantly breaking down with techincal problems, if lots of flights are checking in at once - the number of machines are inadequate causing huge queues, and the staff feel helpless if a problem arises, because they can only check the bag, not re-print any labels or boarding passes.

At bmibaby this month, we will be recieving a set of self-service ticketing kiosks at NEMA, with plans to introduce them to other UK bases over the next six months. These, unlike at Easy, will not replace the traditional check-in system, but will instead provide a fast-track check-in process which bmi mainline already offers for its business passengers at LHR.

bmi regional will be re-evaluating their services from NEMA over the next month. Brussels will definately be staying on the network, and there are rumours of either a brand new route, or other business cities going over to regional. I did hear something about regional looking into the 318 for larger routes not covered by the 319 or too big for the ERJ-145.

It's unlikely that bmi will launch flights from NEMA to Scandinavia or Germany, and mainline & baby are always trying to convince Lufthansa & SAS to launch routes, but because they have a strong presence at BHX this is unlikely to change. Rumors are still making the rounds that Germanwings will be arriving, being sped up by the new Easy route to Koeln. No news of Snowflake!

Ryanair are apparently looking into Frankfurt (Hahn), Glasgow (Prestwick), Milan (Bergamo), Venice (Treviso) and Rome (Ciampino).

That's all the rumors at NEMA that I know of ... until soon

[Mike16]

Hii Ema lot !!!!!!



Well i can speak about the new self check in, yes the first few weeks were a nite mare. Now they are up and running and they are doing very well, no complaints at all !
We have asked the pax if they like them and all of them have given it a big thumbs up.
When new technology arrives, yes there are people who moan and groan, but i always say, give it a go, if it makes your life easier.
Rumours at EZY at EMA are, and yes they are rumours, We may be having the Airbus soon, 4 of them, which is great news for us all, this would also mean, 4 more new routes......
Everyone is guessing where they will be, so i am not going to say any destinations, as this is not fair.......
I have also heard that BMI baby is looking into setting up at BHX, very soon, so does anyone know anymore ???


Take care all

Mike

[rock737]

Hi

the easy stuff sounds good at ema if it materialises, its about time there was some major expansion after all they and ryanair both operate a decent well suited operation out of NEMA.

As for bmibaby going to BHX, can someone tell me what planet are they on, what are they thinking, high landing fees, less slots not they have slots (well more options for delays) and less than 1 hours drive from EMA. They should concentrate on EMA and MAN and ditch Teeside and Cardiff, perhaps expanding at Gatwick. Dublin should go bmi regional very quickly IMO and also there should be new routes to copenhagen and a german destination - perhaps frankfurt as well for them. Perhpas some operated by A319s by mainline or A318s if they get them. Althoug A318 is not available with IAE engines unlike theyre 319/320/321s have. Bmibaby should introduce expansion at EMA on holiday routes such as further spanish or greek and canary destinations, perhaps some more french destinations. 8 aircraft should be operated out of EMA. Germanwings should launch EMA to cologne and Snowflake EMA-Oslo or Stockholm since theyre partners in star alliance and bmibaby is linked to bmi obviously, who are part of this alliance.

Ryanair seem to be going well, if they add the rumoured routes then the future should be bright for them, although if bmibaby don't see sense i cant see them being for much longer well not at NEMA anyway. No offence to anyone but it seems to be stupid decision after stupid decision at the moment.

Just my thoughts

[ALLMCC]

I have heard in the past that EMA - BFS could well be transferred back to mainline/regional and operate to/from BHD, as before. Would seem to make sense as I believe this route is mostly business orientated. Anyone any clues?

[737James]

Well personally I have not heard the rumour about us going to BHX well i very much doubt it to close our Ema base but I do expect expansion at LGW soon.
I think the EMA-BHD rumour is just that but I do agree majority of pax are business people at present especially in mornings and early midweek but Thurs,Fri and wknd sees alot more leisure pax.
I don't know much about the self check in service I have had a look at the Easy stuff looks ok to me and if we are getting similar service to mainline machines should be good.
On a different note it must be getting close to the weekend again with quite a few of our flights carrying at least an hour delay oh no please not another mad weekend:ugh:

[chunkymonkey]

i'd be surprised by any major growth at NEMA by anyone but Ryanair.

baby seems to have settled on 6/7 aircraft, easy has been at 3 since the start.

could baby go to bhx and easy to finningley and NEMA become a ryanairport?

I know that's a depressing thought but all the execs keep predicting the mother of all price wars..... would they therefore not be better off with their own piece of turf each?

[Daysleeper]

Anyone know which planning authority EMA is under and whether they have a website? Just wondering as I was told the other day that UPS have a planning application in for the Cargo apron at the 27 End.

[Optical Illyushin]

Yep Ryanair planning major expansion from NEMA with 25 more cadets to get base checked! Tickets to go on sale soon...... :p

[Mike16]

Hi Daysleeper



I have heard this rumour as well, apparently they want something like the DHL base, not as big, but similiar.
The airport comes under NW leics council.
I am from S.Derbys so sorry i don't know there website , but good luck

Mike

[egnxema]

Yeah - the local authority is Northwest Leicestershire District Council, in Coalville. Website www.nwleics.gov.uk

I have had a look for a page that lists planning applications - I am dieing to see some plans of the Terminal proposals. Some have suggested it is basically a big extension to the Check-in hall, others say a total new build.

Whatever it is - I beg one thing - please please get rid of all the pillars - man alive! It is like a Greek Temple, but without the naked statues! Pillar Central - knock it down!! :{

Have a great weekend all - keep all ears to the ground!

:ok:

[cargohappy]

daysleeper

you are correct on new ups hub 27end, implementation team working now for a 2007/8 compleation and by 2012 upto
20 daily flights, however as you may well know things change
quickly in this business.

happy cargoing

[EMACargo]

Good Afternoon All,

With Regards to the new UPS Hub. I have been asking questions at work and here is the full story.

The new hub site is to be situated opposite the pegasus business park on far side of runway with access from the A453. It will be bigger than DHL and may become the new European Super Hub, taking over from Cologne. The possability of offering space out to another large freight carrier is also on the cards offering at least 10 weekly flights. UPS will be offering almost 5 times more flights than currently operated.
Work is expected to start within the year, with completion expected around the same time as the new passenger terminal.

Kind Regards

Stu

BTW i work at UPS Brokerage

[almost professional]

that will make things interesting operationally, assuming no parallel taxyway north of the runway, then its along the alpha and back across the active on 27 to the UPS aprons!

[Daysleeper]

Taking over from Cologne


Have you seen the size of what UPS are building in CGN? They are not about to walk away from that. It must have cost them close to 100 Million Euro.

[cargohappy]

EMAcargo

you say there's a possability of another large freight carrier
operating from ups facilities, any info on who this carrier is?
rgds cargo happy

[EMACargo]

The new UPS hub at EMA is costing close to £100 million with Apron etc.

Cargohappy,

Unfortunatley not sorry. On one hand i heard Cathay/Hong Kong Air sending all UK flights here then Fedex so who knows, but do know that will be a foreign carrier.

[egnxema]

EMACargo

V Interesting rumours! I had heard similar, but not for a little while. Are you suggestiing that a new UPS facility would be built on the Lockington side of 27?

There is plenty of room on that side and good access to the M1/A453.

It would be not impossible to drop an facility equal in size to DHL Cargo West on the Lockington side (expect HUGE anti campaign from Lockington/Hemington residents).

Regarding the runway - building a northern parrallel taxiway the entire length of the runway would not be neccessary. It would be quite feasible to provide taxiways oposite the Sierra Taxiway, Whiskey Taxiway and opposite the Alpha Hold for 27. With 3 crossing points the crossing of the active to access the "North Apron" would be no different from the current situation at MAN.

Will be interesting to watch this unfold!

[almost professional]

egnxema
could'nt see us getiing a parallel as far as sierra-and even so it is not ideal to cross the active with every arrival for ups-I will have to improve on my spacing a bit!

[egnxema]

almost prof.

"Could not see us getting.."
Is that because of the slope of the land, or planning issues?

Can you think of another way round the problem?

Actually - I am sure the proposals in the Gov White Paper for expansion at EMA suggested that a new apron be built due south of Cargo West, on the south side of the A453, access to/from it by extending the Juliet Twy over the A453.

Just another thought - at LHR, when 27R is the take off runway, how does traffic leaving from T4 taxi across 27L, the active landing runway? Does it cross it, or go round it? will have to look at some charts.......

:O

Just looked at the LHR charts and it looks like they cross an active 27L when going from T4 to 27R.

[almost professional]

egnxema
cost issues-if the UPS facility is opposite pegasus park then depending how far west it went that would be the extent of taxyway provided, unlikely that extra taxyway would be paid for just to make my life easier!
did the white paper actually say that about extra apron south of the 453? must look out the copy at work!
to go back to the UPS facility, looking out the tower window yesterday Iwas not certain that there is enough flat ground to the northeast-would it be more likely where the old bomb dumps are NE of the radar scanner?

[egnxema]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_aviation/documents/page/dft_aviation_503595.pdf

Almost Prof.

This is the best image I can find on the suggestion in the White Paper for building south of Cargo West.

On the northern side of the runway, build anything too far west, towards Donington, and it will be see from up to 10 miles away because of the slope down to the Trent. The White Paper suggestion would be less visible, which IMO would reduce public backlash.

So - tell us - is that you on www.nottinghamema.com sat in the Tower with your shades on? :)

[almost professional]

now that would be telling!-I do however have an even cooler pair of oakley's now

[Flip Flop Flyer]

Sounds interesting, but ain't there a couple of hurdles like:

a/ It's not on the continent, which means that integrating rail/air/road (which is one criteria for a superhub) is going to get difficult. For an express carrier, trucking for more than 3 hours is prohibitive. Effectively this means that all freight from the continent must be flown in. CGN if far better located for an integrated superhub.

b/ EMA is single runway; if that runway for some reason is closed you're basically f.ed. Winter ops could also wreck havoc on a single runway operation.

FWIW, the yellow brigade that has me on the payroll are also having superhub ideas, namely in Leipzig. However, before that takes off there are a number of requirements including an autobahn upgrade, construction of a second runway and rail access. Furthermore, LEJ is far more conveniently located, compared to anywhere in the UK, not only for western Europe, but indeed for the fast growing emerging markets in eastern Europe. For our part, EMA takes 3rd place after BRU and CGN, and eventually 4th when/if LEJ kicks off. There is lots of business to be had in the UK, but any hub there is rather limited to offer anything but UK traffic. Same with BGY hub; it's Italy and south eastern Europe only. Indeed, a hub is needed in the UK for any serious integrator, but I can't see how a superhub can be justified.

Just my 2 Euro's worth ....

[almost professional]

FFF
good points, cant disagree with the first point, however regarding the runway-if we need one for traffic reasons then it should be OKed, as for availibility then non weather closures in the 15 years I been at EMA count on fingers of one hand-still operating with a DC8 in the grass at one end! as regards weather then our track record is pretty good-we were open this winter when just about all the other airfields in UK shut for snoclo

[EastMids]

I believe that there's planning restrictions that prohibit permanent buildings on the north side. That is why, I suspect, there's nothing shown on the north side in any of the EMA growth options in the government air transport planning document. If indeed UPS are going to put up more buildings and ramps at NEMA, there's plenty of room inbetween the Pegasus business park and the parallel taxiway on the South side of the runway - where the old aeropark and farm were. Seeing as any decision to allow develop south of the A453 was deferred by the government, I suspect that if UPS is up to anything the south east corner north of the business park and south of the runway (and across the road from their offices) will be where it'll happen.

A

[Flip Flop Flyer]

Yes, indeed, EMA has been rather lucky weather wise. However, it is still a bit risky to base a superhub at a single runway airport. Just takes a couple of days of disruption to wreck havoc on a network. Murphy's law and all that ;)

[egnxema]

Seeing as any decision to allow develop south of the A453 was deferred by the government,

Was it? I thought that they had said that a 2nd runway was not viewed as needed, but should things change they would review their position. But as regards expansion of freight and pax, land should be earmarked for this development.

I can fully understand the "Nothing North" policy, but I don't see the A453 as a realistic southern boundary.

But I do agree with you EastMids, UPS would most likely build near Pegasus. :ok:

[almost professional]

Eastmids
that was where I always assumed it would go if anywhere-just keep extending the east cargo eastbound, bearing in mind that in an ideal world the apron would be further south than the present so as to give adequate clearance from the apron taxylane and the alpha for codeE/F to pass (as the west does)
that should still give enough room to put up a sorting facility north of pegasus park

[cargohappy]

Hi all

I am quite posative

a)
there will be no european ups super hub at ema, this is nearly
complete in cologne germany, however ema will be ups 2nd
major hub in europe followed by CDG and MMX.

B)
the hub whatever the size (most say DHL) will be located oposite
pegasus, old aeropark, next to current east apron, building plotting on site was done over a year ago.
as for runways,taxi and aprons we will have to wait and see
like some previous post (should be interesting)

rgds cargohappy

[egnxema]

Thanks CargoHappy, that sounds totally logical.

Now, how about the proposed Pax Terminal Extension/New Terminal?

Almost Prof, with Oakley's as cool as yours you must have a bit of info on that?;)

[EMACargo]

definatly no new terminal at EMA just a redevelopment. confirmed by airport management

[almost professional]

I assume the idea is to use as much as is there already, the checkin area is perfectly adequate for the time being-I think what is needed is more IDL and gates-and to 'redevelope' the terminal front airside should do that plus give up space for retail as well.
On another note I was very sceptical about the changes to the drop off arrangements outside but they seem to be working well and the new Spar in the terminal is just great-hot bacon rolls at 0300!

[egnxema]

Has anyone had any success in finding information from the local authority's website on palnning applications?