5 Year Employment History - Security Check

[fireflybob]

Just filling in the form to apply to fly for a company with big shiny jets and I have to give continuous details of employment over the last 5 years but I have been unemployed for about 2 of those years - anyone know if this is a challenge and what has to be done to get the security clearance in this situation?

Thanks for any help.

[Leo45]

The most important things is that they want to know your whereabouts throughout the last 5 years.

If unemployed for a period of time, you were registered at your local job centre, then it's not a problem. They can check easily that you were on the dole then. After all, we nearly all have been jobseekers at some stage in our lifes.

If it's not the case, it's then trickier. You need somebody to back up your story about this period of your life, and, therefore you'll have to provide this person's contact details.

[StudentInDebt]

If you were unemployed and not claiming benefit for those 2 years then good luck.

For any gap in your employment history you may have to provide evidence of what you were doing. In addition you may need to obtain references to cover each individual gap you cannot account for, these referees can be your mates but have to have known you during the period concerned.

You will also need to obtain a criminal record check, the only thing to worry about with this is the current circa 10 week turnaround time and the 6 week validity. Some pass offices will not issue an ID without a valid CRC, but it may take them some weeks to process your application and in your case they may reject it and ask for more information. This means that by the time you go to collect your ID your CRC may have expired requiring you to get a new one!!

Never fear though, should you find that you dont have a valid ID by the time you start your line training you can pass through with your license and logbook as long as you are accompanied by a pass holder (eg the captain).

[aces low]

The thing I struggle with is being a self-employed flying instructor.

I cannot get an employment reference as I am my employer. I do however have 'clients' but there have been gaps between them and I was not registered as unemployed during these periods. I don't know what the correct procedure is in these cases and if anybody you knows I would be grateful to receive their advice.

[witchdoctor]

Advice from my employer - a ground handling company - was a letter from your registered GP would be sufficient to cover any period of unemployment where you were not registerd at the jobcentre. No problem getting an airside pass, but CRC took about 14 weeks.

[TRon]

Sorry StudentInDebt, not sure who you fly for but pretty much all that info is wrong!

CRC Certificate is valid for 10 weeks. Any breaks in your employment etc, you need to provide a personal referee (for gaps of more than 2 weeks). If in doubt put down you were travelling, said person need to have know you for at least five years.

Very soon (I think it is the 11th July but someone correct me) but you cant get through on just your licence. You can apply for a temporary pass, you will need your passport and referees. If you already have an airside pass, that date is also the deadline to provide BAA with a CRC form....I think there are going to be a few job losses around the deadline.. :ugh:

[A Very Civil Pilot]

Aces

I had the same problem for when I was a 'self-employed' flying instructor. I got around it with a letter from the Inland Revenue, stating that I had submitted a self-assessment return indicating self-employment from a certain date, which lasted until I was employed by my next employer. Kept the reference checking people happy, and was one of the few times that I was glad to have paid tax. The local tax office was surprisingly helpful, even letting me dictate the letter to them!

However, if you're a cash in hand imnstructor, unknown to the Revenue, you might have trouble.

[StudentInDebt]

Tron

My employer and the last ID unit to issue me with an airside ID are wrong. The current DofT guidance does state that 10 weeks should be the validity window for CRCs.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_transsec/documents/page/dft_transsec_026448.hcsp

Strangely though I had to provide a second CRC for my ID as it was 6 weeks old, I guess the key word is should!!

As far as employment history goes I stand by what I said but granted I did not mention the 5 year relationship with referees. Where you were not employed or unemployed and not claiming benefit you will have to provide evidence of your activities. If you have been travelling you may be asked to show stamps in your passport or other documentary evidence. If you cannot provide this then your referees may be asked to provide a backup statement to support your own self-statement for the specific time period involved.

TRANSEC rules are interpreted by different ID units in different ways so some people may find the issue process painless, others may find it harder. I was not aware that being escorted by a pass holder was no longer going to be an option past the July deadline.

[boeingbus2002]

One tip I would give to all wanabees in future is to start to keep details of EXACT dates of education, jobs, signing on etc.
It makes the security check process much easier. Of course if you have been in same job for past 6 years, you are laughing...!

[mad_jock]

The getting a pass stuff is huge pain in the tits.

Even if you do keep a log of all your employment history etc if anyone goes bust or decides to have dig at you, you can have problems. Although you can get a person of standing to sign you off as being good character etc. I worked abroad for a while and due to some crap german law wasn't able to get the reference i required because i was classed as self employed for tax reasons.

A m8 who is a bobby just listed all the dates i couldn't cover and said I wasn't up to mischief. Jobs a good un.

Which just goes to prove what a load of crap the whole thing is.
I believe religious leaders and politicians are counted as people of standing. And there are a few of them in the papers recently I wouldn't trust to recomend anyone to drive a drive a golf buggy in a field never mind airside.

MJ

[mad_jock]

Yes you are right for the CRC check you only need prove of address for 5 years.

The CRC check is only one part of the security check for an airside pass. The employment reference check is another part. Some airports as well make you do a security course (watch a video) and answer exam questions as well.

MJ

[A Very Civil Pilot]

The CRC asks for 5 year address history, but on both occasions that I have applied, the application was returned, asking for 10 years history.

[geh065]

isn't the securoity check to see if an applicant has a criminal record? What if they do? is it an automatic rejection?

[mad_jock]

There is a list somewhere giving you a list of criminal offenses that are allowed.

The only reasin why I know this is because security was winding someone up that soddomising a sheep didn't stop you getting a pass.


MJ

[expedite_climb]

FWIW, CRC checks are much quicker now. Mine was turned round last month in 3 weeks.

[skyman68]

what about people like me who is retired at the age of 30 yo, and who have worked without a work permit in the US for years, and who are now unemployed and not registred at any offices for year.

what about if I live in the streets and people give me money?
(please,need money to keep flying).

damn, there are million (billion) of people in this world who do not work, who make 20p a day, or who work as an artist, who claim refugee benefits.does it mean all these people are unemployable?

I have many friends in France who do not have a damn job, who stayed at home with their parents and they are unregistred after years of unemployment.
is it the goal of our society to put us more and more in deep s...t?

the thing I've learned, is to give the minimum information about you, the rule is "do not ask, do not tell!".

more you give info about schools, friends, vacations, more you have to proove where you have been and who you have met.So better to throw away your passport and get a new one.clean your past, and be a good simple boy with no complicated past.