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Smoketoomuch
25th May 2004, 18:42
A lucky escape. Though if they're stuck in Baku for any length of time they might disagree:yuk:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3747899.stm
A RAF Hercules aircraft has been involved in a mid-air collision in the Middle East.
The Hercules C130J from RAF Lyneham, Wiltshire, was on a routine sortee between Kabul and Bucherest when the collision took place.

Mobile Muppet
25th May 2004, 18:54
I heard a rumour the other day about this but it seemed people were keeping infomation close to their chest.

Glad to hear that everyone got back safe and sound although i don't think the same could be said for the crew's underwear.

Anyone know anymore info ?

betty_boo_x
26th May 2004, 06:57
Thank goodness they're all alright. Was the TCAS not working? What happened to the unidentified "other" aircraft? Glad everyones safe. The story made national news in these parts this morning.

10forcash
26th May 2004, 08:12
Apparently they were 'buzzed' by two MiG's, three holes in the leading edge of one wing and a prop blade embedded in the fuselage....apparently......
Bet there was someone somewhere kicking an embassy's back door in the next day:p
Cheers,
10forcash

Basil
26th May 2004, 08:34
<<if they're stuck in Baku for any length of time they might disagree>>
They can have a look at what 80 years of Communism did to a once beautiful city, revel in high-sulphur diesel exhaust, listen to the locals moaning about Armenia and have a beer - Oh and buy the wife a nice stylish woollen coat :D

Well done getting it on the ground esp with er, unfamiliar ATC.

OKOC
26th May 2004, 11:26
TCAS do nay work if the other f:mad: er ain't swarking-or
amarangue?

10forcash
26th May 2004, 16:32
Still, I suppose there's more free drinks in the mess on this story than sucking an eagle into the engine or tw@tting a wingtip on KIA tower.......
cheers,
10forcash

betty_boo_x
26th May 2004, 17:36
Well done everyone and say what you like but everyone is around to tell the tale. Whats needed is more eyes out of the pointy end. You could employ all those Hitler Youth stuck in training holds to train their beady eyes on Johnny Foreigner. Could help eating all those horror boxes too.

Ian Corrigible
26th May 2004, 18:32
The locals are denying anything happened (here's a clue chaps: the aircraft involved is the one with a newly installed dog-tooth in the wing...)

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Turkmen officials deny British military plane collision in Turkmen airspace
ASHGABAT, May 26 (AFP)

Officials in Turkmenistan on Wednesday rejected a British defence ministry announcement that a British military transport plane had collided with another aircraft in the Central Asian country's airspace.

"We would know if there was such an incident and we've received no such information," a spokesman for Turkmenistan's civil defence service told AFP.

The denial was echoed by a spokesman for the national flag carrier Turkmen Airlines. "Nothing like that has happened in our territory," the Turkmen Airlines spokesman said.

The hardline leadership of Turkmen President Saparmurat Niyazov has generally kept a tight lid on any information it sees as reflecting badly on the country.

propulike
26th May 2004, 22:50
It doesn't get any closer!

All I can say is that I'm glad I can buy the guys a drink on my bar bill rather than drinking off theirs. Welcome home chaps!

Always_broken_in_wilts
26th May 2004, 23:52
Betty:rolleyes:

"Whats needed is more eyes out of the pointy end. You could employ all those Hitler Youth stuck in training holds to train their beady eyes on Johnny Foreigner"....What utter dog droppings:rolleyes:

With a closing speed of " warp factor lots" and lack of a squawk a whole flight deck full of eyes would have made **** all differance.............lets just be thankfull it all ended as it did without opening up the usual inter frame banter:ok:

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

crazyivan
26th May 2004, 23:53
Turkmen officials deny British military plane collision in Turkmen airspace


so that's where the Iraqi information minister went......

betty_boo_x
27th May 2004, 07:19
Always-Ranting-In-Wilts
Now listen here fruitcake, I am as glad as the next man it all ended safely(please read my previous).
Please stop being so sensitive and looking for conflict where none exists.
Accidents happen and thank heavens everyone is alright,as everyone agrees. I too would gladly buy the guys a beer, than drink on their bar bill.
Raise a glass to them and our DIFFERENCES. Whats with this inter-frame rubbish you allude to? Please please lets not start another one of those.
You could start by looking at your duty free consumption as the ingrained drinking culture is affecting your Tourettes syndrome and your spelling.
Please please please try to keep this lighthearted and join in the "banter"so often alluded to,or is it truly beyond you?
Should you take 1 hot flask or 2? How is life at the cutting edge? What do the crew like best PG or Assam? Would you ask them when you stroll in today?

Mr C Hinecap
27th May 2004, 10:57
Betty - think 'tis you that needs a hug. This time (only once, mind) I concur with ABIW. Even as one who spends most C130 time loading/unloading or sleeping, I can see that extra eyes aren't going to help much/at all in this situation. ABIW was pretty light-hearted in his response. Anyhoo.......

from the Sun

A HERO RAF pilot saved the lives of 20 British soldiers when he landed his plane safely after a mid-air collision with a fighter jet.

The giant Hercules transporter was clipped by a MiG at 20,000 feet over Turkmenistan.

The Russian-built jet tore six inches off the ends of two of the plane’s propeller blades.

But the pilot — flying British troops home from duty in Afghanistan — managed to land on three of his four engines in Baku, Azerbaijan.

The Hercules C130J is based in RAF Lyneham, Wilts. An inquiry into the near-disaster has been launched.



I want one of those "giant Hercules transporter " aircraft.

Arkroyal
27th May 2004, 11:13
Glad it turned out OK
The Hercules C130J from RAF Lyneham, Wiltshire, was on a routine sortee between Kabul and Bucherest when the collision took place. ? Is that a routine these days?

Mobile Muppet
27th May 2004, 12:17
Just to slightly change the subject, I heard we have been trying to flog our C130J MK5 rubbish off to the RNZAF, and funny old thing after looking at them they came to the same conclusion as us that they are crap for most AT roles and decided against them.
Also heard they were to be replaced by some K/H models ?

RoboAlbert
27th May 2004, 12:47
Ahh good attempt at diverting an interesting thread muppet. Grow up

To the guys - Nice one

however, hope SS doesn't start using it in one of his Quart sims!

;)

Fox3snapshot
27th May 2004, 13:53
You better believe it! And that is only half of it.....

:8

SirPeterHardingsLovechild
27th May 2004, 14:57
Jet crash hero saves 20

A HERO RAF pilot saved the lives of 20 British soldiers...blah blah blah....giant Hercules transporter.....


I stopping reading The Sun back in the 80's

Pretty Young Airgirl Knifed in Roman Orgy!!

Toga Party at the Rugby Club, knifing happened elsewhere, she wasn't pretty.

But I digress.

Is there any requirement to look out the window in the cruise? I think we should be told.

Is there a requirement to carry out a 100% stock check of Travel Scrabble tiles at 'top of drop'?

betty_boo_x
27th May 2004, 16:55
As for looking out of the window in the cruise, try calling Swissair Customer Information Desk and see if they can put you in touch with Geneva Control,but I digress.
No hug for me thanks,see and avoid is the excuse at all subsequent BoE's.
Very well done to everyone concerned (again).
If the TCAS was a no hoper and you didnt see them, didnt the RWR cackle like a Loadmaster after finishing said Quart Sim ?
Second thoughts about that hug........pop round if you want

albert the first
27th May 2004, 19:24
betty

You do seem to have some 'issues'!:ooh:

betty_boo_x
27th May 2004, 21:00
All lighthearted my old fruit I promise,just pricking a few of the more sensitive souls.
As for "issues" Ive got enough to fill a sack.
Did I go out with you for a while?

Human Factor
29th May 2004, 22:53
From the Times:

....station commander, said: “This incident could have been much worse but for the training that we regularly undertake for situations such as this.”

You train for this? Skipper and I nearly fell off our chairs laughing.
:E

Always_broken_in_wilts
30th May 2004, 00:30
Engine vibration indications followed by the appropriate Red Card drills.......followed by a diversion to an unknown airfield and and a 3 engine approach...........sounds like a standard sim ex to me:ok:

So I guess maybe we do train for this sort of sitch ....hope you are still sat comfortably:E

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

Samuel
30th May 2004, 08:03
Perhaps not the page to post it, but the RNZAF in fact had an option on the C130J alongside the RAAF purchase, but declined!

BOAC
30th May 2004, 09:47
Sliding back 'on topic' - I'd LOVE to hear what damage the Mig suffered! Hopefully not insignificant:D

LoeyDaFrog
30th May 2004, 20:43
Having moved from the secret base in wiltshire, to a completely different secret base in Lincs, I've sort of lost track of what goes on back down south. Being a blunt Ops type, I'm not that interested in inter-type banter and am just glad the only thing that got dented was the frame. Whoever the crews was, good to hear you got all got down safe!

Human Factor
1st Jun 2004, 19:50
Broken,

Good point, well made. Was more concerned about a Mig passing six inches from certain death! :{

HF

WSO1
3rd Jun 2004, 15:32
The captain was"alledgedly" in his swan song trip before starting a ground tour... what a way to end...

BOAC
4th Jun 2004, 07:48
what a way to end

..............yes, but just suppose the Mig 'totalled' itself in the encounter......................:D

How's that for a 'last trip' in a Herc?

hirsute
4th Jun 2004, 11:32
Good job by the crew but he WAS lucky!

He might have had to land in Turkmenistan - you think Baku is bad?!!

Archimedes
4th Jun 2004, 19:36
..............yes, but just suppose the Mig 'totalled' itself in the encounter......................

Would that count as a 'kill'? I never thought of the C-130 in the OCA role, but... :)

In Tor Wot
5th Jun 2004, 18:41
Could have been a new version of the old joke:

Q. What's the difference between a P-3 and an F-3

A. The P-3’s the only one with a confirmed kill . . . . . :E

average pilot
6th Jun 2004, 06:15
:ok: On the question of training for such instances, I used to launch "fighters" directly at crews in the Sim so the answer's "yes".
My swansong was to Bucharest as well....!
Well done and good luck to all the crew, the Mig pilot probably returned to the crew room very quietly and muttered something about a bird strike at low level before downing a large glass of pure alcohol!!

flipster
6th Jun 2004, 08:35
Swansong - what's that?
Me - 3 different squadrons at secret wilts airbase and my 'swansongs' were Akronellini twice and the last one a PTS lunchstop at Brize!
Tho' there are other possibilities, I put it down to a combination of poor planning by the sect ldr and short-notice postings!

Went to Bucharest once in 'the old days'. Stayed in what supposedly an up-market spot called the Parc Hotel - it was an obvious anagram - should have been called the CR@P Hotel! One of our party got stung by a Bureau de Change to the tune of £100 and we all got arrested in the hotel next door's swimming pool by the fun-police. Hope things are much better these days.

who said green on
7th Jun 2004, 11:57
maybe more eyes on the flight deck would help unless, it involves a high speed fire extinguisher maybe

Always_broken_in_wilts
7th Jun 2004, 13:14
Help what?

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced