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Tartan Gannet
4th Jul 2001, 14:52
Recently a researcher stated that their surveys had shown that people who watch the Soaps such as Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Brookside etc tend to detest and avoid the Sci Fi Programs such as Star Trek and others and vice versa. I certainly hate Soaps and am an avid "Trekie" (or Treker if you prefer).

What do others feel? Is there this sharp polarisation or do a goodly number of PPruners like and watch both types of program?

dingducky
4th Jul 2001, 15:12
i don't watch either :)

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Steepclimb
4th Jul 2001, 15:25
I tend to agree, although in my case I stray across the lines and swing both ways. I like Science fiction but have to admit a liking for Emmerdale and a slight interest in Coronation street. I hate Eastenders and Hme and Away.
A couple of points though, TG you may now become embroiled in the biggest controversary of you career to date. You see there is a difference between 'Sci Fi' and 'SF'. The former is populist and considered shallow, 'Star Wars' and the like. SF is serious think, '2001'. I fell victim to this distinction before.
Plus having outed yourself as a Trekkie, you can expect an outpouring of odium such as you never experienced before. I quoted Star Trek previously and was roundly slagged. The jury is out too as to whether Star Trek is Sci Fi or SF.


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Feeton Terrafirma
4th Jul 2001, 15:39
Trekies Rule!!

Beam me up Scottie, use the force :)

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Capt Vegemite
4th Jul 2001, 15:49
I like that alien show "Ali G"

Slasher
4th Jul 2001, 16:09
Hey Ding no soaps or sci-fi? So what are you into then? Porn with no storylines? Me too! :)

Grainger
4th Jul 2001, 16:47
Anti soaps. Definitely in favour of Science Fiction.

If we're getting technical it has to be SF over Sci-Fi. Has to be something with a good storyline that makes you think.

Trouble with Trek in particular (esp. STNG) is that there are only three plots: away team stranded on planet with transporter not working due ion storm / something comes on board ship takes over controls / personal angst of some kind.

In each case Geordi makes a radio out of his buttons, floods the ship with tetrion particles and hey presto ! problem resolved in the last 3 minutes of the episode. Oh - except for the ones where they reconfigure the deflector shield.

Hey - I've worked it out ! Star Trek is a soap !!

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Velvet
4th Jul 2001, 16:54
Have to admit to being a Science Fiction / Fantasy reader and watcher.

And loathe soaps - (though there is a case to be made that SciFi TV series are a form of soap opera).


Can someone tell me the difference between a soap and series like Fawlty Towers, Only Fools and Horses and One Foot in the Grave and the American Cheers, Frazier and Friends.

All of which I like (still enjoy watching reruns), but Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Neighbours etc would drive me nuts.

VTOL
4th Jul 2001, 17:26
Velvet,
the difference is that things like Fawlty Tower etc are funny...

I admit to being a SciFi fan - both on screen and in paper form! And I definitely hate soaps - I just don't see the point, probably in the sam way that a soap fan doesn't see the fascination with SciFi.

RW-1
4th Jul 2001, 17:34
Don't like soaps.

Star Trek, while I thought I couldn't do without, has gone way downhill after they started the whole dominion thing on DS9, Voyager could have been way better, and darker. And don't get me wrong, I like star trek.

The new series Enterprise (with Scott Bakula? Oh great, I can see more early days of the federation stuff, oops! We hit a black hole and went back in time ....)

I will give it a shot to see how they handle stuff, but unfortunately because they stick the Star trek moniker on it, there are those who will watch and sing it's praises no matter how foul the stories go.

You see, for while I like Star Trek, and place it in the sci-fi category, there is better out there; Farscape, which while in the sci-fantasy category, so far has outshined any of the writing that they have done in the last two Trek series.

The plots are smart, sharp, humorus (hey even the episode titles have a humour all their own) and character development that Paramount should study. I suppose we could call Farscape a soap, and I like that :)

I agree with Grainger on his Trekisms for plot points. G, have you seen Farscape? :)

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Grainger
4th Jul 2001, 18:36
Farscape, eh?

Agree the plots were more intelligent, but I couldn't really get into it. Something to do with the characters, I think - too much of the rubber masks and blue make up !

Biggles Flies Undone
4th Jul 2001, 18:55
These days I only turn my TV on for Grand Prix, (Top Gear sometimes), the News or interesting documentaries. The first two series of the X Files were good but now 98% of television progs are pure dross.

max_cont
4th Jul 2001, 19:11
Sci Fi,definitely.

Soaps leave me cold.

Farscape..mm ok, Babylon 5, way good for it's time. Voyager, well at least they don't keep getting their ship nicked from them all the time now. DS9 took the easy way out in the end, a bit of a disappointment. STNG, not really gritty enough, and you'd think that Riker character would have taken a command when it came up.

PS I forgot Earth Final Conflict, good first series, lost in the second http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif
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I'd rather
4th Jul 2001, 19:19
I couldn't live without Eastenders - not bothered about other soaps (though went through the usual student phase of devotion to Neighbours and Brookie).

I loved Star Trek when I was a kid, but the sci fi programmes seem to me to be exactly that - kid's programmes. I still love the Star Trek films though - they're hilarious.

gravity victim
4th Jul 2001, 19:21
One for the Trekkies:

Q. What have Mrs Spock and the runway at
Port Stanley got in common?

A. They've both been f****d by a Vulcan! :)

max_cont
4th Jul 2001, 20:29
I thought they missed.

edited because someone turned the UBB code off http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif
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You want it when?
4th Jul 2001, 20:41
Sci Fi (or SF) rules - when EE is on I go play with PPrune.

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Gash Handlin
4th Jul 2001, 22:33
At the risk of sounding controversial could the lack of crossover of fans be because in general soaps are liked by females and Sci-Fi by males and it's all just another battle in the sex wars.

<Pulls on flak jacket and dives for trench>

Send Clowns
4th Jul 2001, 23:01
I think I'm with the charming DDucky here. Not really keen on either, quite fond of reality. I did however read a lot of SciFi/SF and fantasy when I was a kid.

Bunching sci fi and fantasy, maybe I sit on that side and just read Terry Pratchett too much!

Loki
4th Jul 2001, 23:42
Star Trek (any variation) can be a bit predictable...some while ago whilst watching en famille I said to my son "if they carry on like that, they`ll overload the warp core and will be limited to impulse power" Wife looks disdainfully at me while son nods gravely. Ten seconds later, one character said "captain, if we continue, the warp core will overload"...strange looks from wife and son. I suppose the moral of the story is, get a life. I don`t watch soaps, so I`m half way there.

Mycroft
5th Jul 2001, 00:02
The problem is that many SF series are becoming more like soap operas, the majority of series now have 2 or 3 part episodes, meaning that if you miss one you have no idea whats happening; just as in most soaps; especially true with DS9 where the whole of the last series was really just one episode. The other thing is the shrinking american hour; with the original series each ran 47 minutes, with just enough titles for 2 or 3 stars. Now each runs 43 minutes with titles including the whole cast.

Winston Smith
5th Jul 2001, 02:19
"Star Trek is bunk."

Winston Smith, Oceanian thought-criminal.

(Oh, how much I'd have loved to use ... http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif )

Steepclimb
5th Jul 2001, 04:29
How can Star Trek be bunk when Commander Ryker used the words; 'Sophistry' and 'Hubris' in the same scene.
How many of the great unwashed know what those words mean?
Mind you, Star Trek is so PC, I just don't want to be frozen when I die and come back in the 24th century.

Davaar
5th Jul 2001, 06:20
I have seen Startrek only once or twice, but you allude to a sinister linguistic usage in the "sophistry". Accustomed as I am to having this epithet, for it is no mere noun, levelled at me by T*rt*n G*nn*t, and recalling that there is a character named "Scotty" in the Enterprise, and aware that TG hails from darkest Gl*sg*w, I wonder, can TG be playing a devious double role here? Is he, in fact, if truth were known, and not to put too fine a point on it, Scotty? After all, this thread began with ......him! As someone said in connexion with that murder, one can stretch coincidence only so far.

Pdub
5th Jul 2001, 06:54
Always liked the Original Series of Star Trek (or TOS ;) ) great fun looking for the guy in the red shirt, sat in the death seat on the bridge. You'll be dead in 10 minutes mate.

wonder how Jim Kirk managed to fill those vacancies each week?
"Jones, there's an opening on the bridge for a man with your talents"
"What talents Captain?"
"Wellll, your wearing a red shirt, and nobody knows who you are"
"Gulp...."
"Right I'm off to shag another alien" says fearless Jim Kirk.

STNG is plauged by the annoying bint in the skintight body suit "I am sensing great anger.."
Well thats surprising isn't it? they've just fired a couple of photon torpedoes at it, whilst the thing was eating a spot of dinner, I'd be pissed off too.

And Wesley Crusher should have been killed in episode 1, I mean he sits in the old death seat every now and again, surely his grey stripey shirt can't save him forever?

DS9 not the same after Jadzea left, and yet another annoying kid, I mean Jim Kirk didn't put up with any kids, love em and leave em more his style, mind you,judging by his choice of partners across the galaxy, there are probably some funny looking kids out there.

Voyager, what total **** , I mean they've been going along for years, finding bits of techy stuff to keep the ship running, fixing it up after being almost totally destroyed, AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T FIXED THE BLOODY REPLICATORS. you'd think the crew would be getting a bit pissed off with Neelix's cooking by now. Another thing the annoying midgets pots aren't big enough anyway, I cook for 15 people once in a while, and little Woks don't do the job, you need vats.

And what is it with Kathryn janeways hair, and why didn't they make the hull out it? seem impervious to all known damage, never a hair out of place.

Anyway, Star Trek is Sci Fi, if your into SF read Iain M Banks novels, I'd say start with Consider Phlebas, after that doesn't matter. Top writer and a Scot to boot.

429 CJ
5th Jul 2001, 07:10
Some might argue that soaps ARE Sci Fi ! :)

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Tartan Gannet
5th Jul 2001, 11:54
Davaar, "its life Jim but not as we know it"

Actually, I imagine I would be more like the Holographic Doctor in Voyager, though my favourite character is Data from Next Generation. He has a ginger cat called "Spot", that's good enough for an Alurophile like me.

BTW Davaar, you might like the Courtroom Scene between Capt Picard and other members of the Enterprise Crew and The Q in the episode "Encounter at Far Point".

Live Long and Prosper

swashplate
5th Jul 2001, 13:22
Loved the old 'Star Trek'.....

"Its worse than that, he'd dead Jim!"

"If I give 'er any more, she'll blow, cap'n!"

and of course....

"Its life jim, but not as we know it!!"


Can't STAND any of the newer ones - utter PANTS.

Schmaltzy, over emotional dross. Capt Picard is a pompus twit - also, I cant help but feel sorry for a great shakesperian luvvie like Patrick Stewart being reduced to this dross....

As for the Govt Health preachy propaganda stuff.......

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Velvet
5th Jul 2001, 13:39
Hmmm, gash does that mean I look like a man, or just think like one - now consider your answer verrry verrrry carefully ;)


Riker was really an alien in disguise - he could only look sideways if he turned from the waist. Anyone that happy in the face of danger doesn't really understand the problem. Did you ever see him get upset or mad or do anything other than grin. Plus he fancied that half-alien bint who was always saying 'I sense great anger'.

Star Trek Original - had three character types - killables, comebackables and regulars.

killables - red shirts who always got killed either when landing on a planet for the first time, or got phasered out of existence by a Klingon or other alien who took pot shots at them. Did you also notice that even though the phasers had the power to demolish rocks they never managed to even remotely damage the Enterprise infrastructure.

Comebackables - get killed in one episode, turn up in the next as someone else (reincarnation with a vengeance). I believe that the actor who played Spock's father actually played a Vulcan, Klingon, Romulan and Human.

Regulars - possibly the only pensioners ever to serve as spacefleet officers

And I also have never watched Big Brother or Survivor - so no idea Infin what the frig he was doing on a log for 23 hours.



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Davaar
5th Jul 2001, 15:57
Well,Tartan, you would say that,wouldn't you?
I remain sceptical. A few weeks ago you claimed repeatedly to have no sense of humour,and now you are not only humorous, but witty too. These are deep waters, Watson.

Feeton Terrafirma
5th Jul 2001, 17:50
So Davaar, you have noticed it too! TG is not the same since his return. Humour even. TG are you feeling alright?


Beam me up Scottie, use the force!
Damn, why did I says that? I didn't want another Scottie beamed up to me :)

Tartan Gannet
6th Jul 2001, 12:44
Davaar and Feeton, the events of the past few weeks in my life have of necessity had an effect.

My father reacted according to the fairly standard pattern of bereavement. In my case I have not. I do not express emotion externally. To my mind this part of my life is now finished, one of the principal actors, my Mother, having gone for ever, and the play moves on to the next act with a different cast.

I have however been given furiously to think and much introspection. While I have not radically altered my opinions on most matters I have changed my emphasis. Spending 14 hours watching a person dear to one dying certainly alters one's perceptions and confronts one with one's inelluctable destiny. Consequently matters once of great moment pale into insignificance and other aspects, once regarded as of minor significance become amplified.

I hope people prefer the re-aligned TG to the previous.

As I have said before, pax vobiscum, or if you prefer Sci-Fi "May the Force be with you" or even "Live Long and Prosper".

Azure
6th Jul 2001, 12:58
I prepared a beautiful -

Davaar
6th Jul 2001, 14:20
TG, I liked you before and I'll like you after, no matter how much strangulation seems at times to be the only solution. I agree that events have effects: self-evident, of course, but the self-evident often has to happen before before we realise just how self-evident it is. I knew a lawyer once, former British colonial magistrate, who used to say that for him the word "urgent" changed in meaning forever the day he sat in his Fleet Air Arm aircraft and watched one of HM ships go down with almost all hands ---- and there was not a thing he could do about it.

Feeton Terrafirma
6th Jul 2001, 16:12
TG, Yes.

I have been there and it certainly changed my views and it very much changed my appreciation of some things. I have also been in the situation where I was told I had only a few months, and let me tell you, THAT will change your ideas too! Luckily I proved the doctors wrong.

You have my sympathies TG


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RW-1
6th Jul 2001, 17:16
Loved one going, been there, done that.

All too familiar witht he feeling.

Sorry TG.



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Velvet
7th Jul 2001, 19:14
TG Davaar is right and I too liked you before (many of us missed you whilst you were gone). Of course, we like the new, improved TG as well.

I tried to email you with my commiserations, but your email is not shown, we share your loss and wish you well.

MarkD
7th Jul 2001, 23:13
Not a PP or even a P just a wannaB...

Babylon 5, DS9 Season 4-7, Blake's 7 [how Paul Darrow never got mainstream cred I dunno], XFiles - haven't seen S8 yet tho.

B5 fans should know another tv-movie has just completed for SciFi channel. :D

All of these contain more lifelike characters than Ian Beale... even B7's sets were more believable...

Totally agree with Iain Banks comments - just finished "Look to windward". Also check out Peter F. Hamilton. ;)