CERT IV workplace training Bulls&#t

[Point]

Does anyone out there know about this CERT IV needed by flying instructor to continue working.

I have been told it will be a CASA requirement and will cost each of us between $450.00 - $800.00 and if not completed within the next few months a 2year full time Tafe will be required.

Experience guys GRD 2 and higher can pay the above amount and to get issued the CERT straight away,all future instructors will have to complete a 2 year full time course at TAFE then an instructor rating after that.

What a Load of crap.

Does anyone have any further info??

:mad:

[Icarus2001]

Someone has been feeding you boolsheet, which is very unusual in aviation these days :rolleyes:

Yes there are changes in the wind, they have been on their way ever since the DAY VFR syllabus arrived, as it is competency based training (CBT).

The short story is that at the moment an Instructor Rating does not give you any formally recognised training qualifications, only a rating recognised by CASA. ANTA and CASA started at the bottom of the system by requiring PPL and CPL training to be CBT. They are now catching up to make the Instructor Rating CBT based as well. So that way a qualified trainer is training to an approved CBT syllabus.

Now as far as two years, try two weeks. There is plenty of info on the internet. The Cert IV in Assessment and Workplace Training is available at lots of tertiary institutions around the country. It is made up of units that can be studied separately at different times but I think all up it should take less than two weeks.

It is not a requirement yet but I would like to hear from anyone who has looked into it further.

Try these...

www.anta.gov.au

http://www.tds.uts.edu.au/cert4.htm

http://www.acu.edu.au/course_areas/Continuing_Education___ACUcom/Vocational_Education_Training__VET_/Cert_IV_Assessment___Workplace_Training.cfm

http://www.strategictraining.com.au/page4.html


Ultimately it should :D improve the standard of training given at all levels of flight training. It will also give Flight Instructors a nationally recognised qualification which can be used in other industries, like flipping burgers at your local grease pit;)

Are you an instructor already? If so ask your CFI.

[Jamair]

Organisations offering flight instruction will soon be (in fact in some places already are) competing for a dwindling market, where a huge advantage can be held by organisations qualifying as Registered Training Organisations under the national VTEC system. This gives them the ability to offer GST-free vocational training as part of a structured Certificate of Aviation course. In order to be a RTO, the instructors need to have Cert IV AWT.

Is it so bad to have instructors who are actually qualified to teach? The Cert IV AWT is quite a good course; it will show you a lot about adult education if you let it. I think it is not before time, for flight training to move out of the aeroclub culture into a more professional arena.

[Richo]

Counter or Point, which is it?

I am aware of the CertIV, and as Icarus has explained it well I won't ad anything to that.

However, The Cert IV can be completed in many ways including using Recognition of Prior Learning (RPL) which is mandatory part of all ISO certyified courses now days. That means you may find a significant part of the CertIV syll. can be RPL to you if you can provide proof of learning/training.

CASA is well behind in bieng able to provide syll. references and comparisons (proof) for the CertIV (surprise surprise) so simply saying I am a Grade 1, 2 or 3 instructor will mean nothing to the normal service provider.

However there are some providers out there who have gone to the trouble and can provide suitable syll references and RPL for the Flight Instructor. Shop around you will find them out there. I recomend the TAFE's where they have aviation studies especialy if they have flight instructors on thier teaching staff.

I am completing my CertIV through a Victorian TAFE (Kanga Batman) who have prepared a specialist course for members of my voulinteer organisation. With the RPL and paperwork my Cert IV will cost approx. $45.

Good luck.

And remember this is at least a nationaly (non industry specific)recognised qualification, which makes a change for what CASA can produce.

[Keg]

Lucky you Richo. My request got 'lost in the mail' somewhere between my 'boss' and Kangan!. Not happy Jan!! :mad:

[Richo]

Keep at em Keg

Its worth having, if you want to go places.

In Perth, call us

Cheers

[Northern Chique]

Have just finished the workplace assessor segment...(madatory for completion of the diploma thingy they have us doing at work)... 3 days for train small groups, 3 days for workplaces assessor units, and 9 hours or so in the classroom for the last four units of plan a series plus homework for that one.

The train small groups was the funniest 3 days Ive had in a while and all the preparations and talk deliveries were done in that time. They ranged from Advanced Tim Tam Slam (cause everyone does slams at work dont they, and technique is everything if you dont want your uniform to suffer!) to snake handling... our crew should have been presenting at the melbourne comedy festival... me thinks they missed their true vocation! And I would not have known had they not done the course.... Its a fun few days if you choose it to be.

Our workplace requires cert 4 if you want to instruct first aid... and believe me, I consider teaching that far easier than teaching folks how to fly!

[RENURPP]

which organisation did you complete it with?

[Menen]

I wonder if the RAAF Pilots Course is considered equivalent to a structured Certificate of Aviation? Also, do RAAF Qualified Flying Instructors (QFI's) have to obtain the Certificate IV in order to instruct because they belong to a government organisation?

[Jards]

Menen,
Yes the RAAFies do a course called instructional Techniques. It is recognised and you get certificate IV out of it.

Cheers