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13th May 2004, 09:30
Is it true?
That the EZ Swiss guys recieved an additional payment for the lack of sectors flown due EZ UK training in the last few months?

13th May 2004, 12:34
So that will be sector pay that you get for flying sectors, replaced by sector pay you get for not flying sectors. Makes complete sense. Can I have some please, I didn't fly 6 sectors today.

13th May 2004, 17:30
.........and you purpose for asking this on a world-wide, public forum is........?

13th May 2004, 18:01
............Perhaps to get his/her question answered on a world wide public forum?

Some people do ask some stupid questions. We do understand what a public forum is?

And since we had our private forum taken away were would one suggest we ask these questions if not on a forum?

Tray-tables perhaps?

Do we really need to be bitting everyones heads off the minute they ask a question?

Play nice everyone..............

EB :)

13th May 2004, 20:28
Didn't bite anyone's head off at all.

The best place to get the answer for this question is surely from EZ at LTN or EZ Swiss.

If the questioner works for EZ, that should be very simple and indeed quicker. If he/she doesn't, why the question?

13th May 2004, 20:36
What we all must remember is the Swiss are genetically superior to all other races. Therefore they should be given preferentual treatment. Nothing wrong with that is there?

13th May 2004, 21:14
So in future if anyone needs questions asked about technical details of boeings they should go straight to boeing, should someone like to know the conditons of employment within a company go straight to that company?

So whats the point in pprune, and since when were any of your questions answered when you went straight to the company in question?

are you getting me?

i dont think anyone should be telling anyone they shouldn't be asking a reasonable question on prunne.

Do we not like the orange?

EB ;)

13th May 2004, 21:51
Don't mention easy Swiss crew food :rolleyes:

13th May 2004, 22:08
So in future if anyone needs questions asked about technical details of boeings they should go straight to boeing
er...Yes! But if you want to know what it's like to operate that aircraft within the company environment, ask the crews - via PPrune if you want.

should someone like to know the conditons of employment within a company go straight to that company?
Also Yes. But if you want to know how those terms and conditions are implemented and 'received' by the workforce, ask the workforce - via PPrune if you want.

What earthly difference does it make whether they got any sort of sector pay compensation or not?

14th May 2004, 01:25
Must be a hot topic........ if everybody jumps on it like a horse over the barrier.
To ask here is sometimes better then ask direct and get blackmarked for asking the right person the right question and getting the wrong answer and the wrong consequence. Honest persons who ask honestly do deserve a honest answer!. The set tone makes the musik..... I do not see anything affending in asking such a pay related question who could affect other branches in the same company as well. Be good to each other and don`t restrict your tolerance.

Be safe,fly good and land happy


In trim
14th May 2004, 06:27
Not sure if the rumour is true or not, but when EZS was selected as the 'testbed' for Airbus introduction to easyJet there were always going to be issues around the amount of flying done at certain times of the introduction programme.

The Swiss crews appear to have had a dramatic reduction in the level of flying recently due to the influx of UK crews getting ready for those deliveries. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been some adjustment.

Man Flex 32.5
14th May 2004, 08:17
I believe that most of the flying with ezy swiss was during jan & feb so i dont think it is still an issue.
Regarding the easy swiss crew food, well i dont rate it much at all. More often than not you were thrown a sick bag with a small ham roll, a small cheese roll and a couple of pastries that were short on the sugar levels, the main meals were nothing special either, dont know why all the hype about the food. I actually prefer the alpha sarnies and food at lgw thanks.

14th May 2004, 13:25
Man Flex, wish I could agree with you on the Food issue in GVA but I would trade the Alpha crap anytime...
Lots of EZY UK pilots have lost out seriously on sector pay and flying hours during the Bus intro so would be interesting to see whether the TopSwiss dudes got any compensation...

Man Flex 32.5
14th May 2004, 16:23
Hey springbok courses for horses et all i guess. I agree with the second part though but i guess thats all part and parcel. I sat round for most of feb doing v little, but cant complain.

14th May 2004, 16:45
Hey Flaps One!

Don't work for EZY but thinking about it,overheard some EZY guys saying they thought EZy Swiss had recieved a bonus for not flying and just wanted to check on how the Company handled the two operations.
So chill out with a valium or two must be lots of it in "LALA"Easyland guess thats where you live?


The Puzzler
14th May 2004, 17:09
Puzzle me this....

Anywon gut a spil chuka :D

15th May 2004, 13:55
Find it somewhat interesting - people whingeing about doing too much work, now about not doing enough. It's what you have said all along Flaps....

15th May 2004, 14:05
It would be an interesting precedent, but not unheard of in majors where pass over pay and other such compensations are in force. If your income is reduced through no fault of your own, and no doubt the EZ swiss crews spent weeks on SBY instead, there is a case for compensation.

Now, and here is a thought, over the past few years many F/O's were taken off their rosters to allow new pilot training. Their actual salary was well short of the monthly income they were told to expect when joining. and what their roster originally planned to give them. I wonder if they can now claim lost earnings. They did not receive free time in lieu but spent days on useless SBY.

Stan Woolley
15th May 2004, 15:09

Just shows how disorganised you lot are doesn't it.

The Swiss are no walkovers - unlike Balpa.

Few Cloudy
15th May 2004, 17:25
Worked for both of them - EZY and EZS - for about 18 months each on my 3 year stint.

Pay: Pay started at a franc equivalent of UK pay - stagnated when the UK pay went up and no amount of representations could change that - even though Geneva is (or was) the second most expensive city in Europe.

Food: Food (Gate Gourmet) was magnificent in EZS - the problem was trying to organise your flight to allow time to eat it properly. Quite an improvement on the bacon and beans / sausage and beans / omlette and beans and beans and beans of Alpha.

Flight duty: the Swiss regs applied to EZS - actually allowing 100 block hrs per month. Didn't happen too often. EZS actually came from TEA Swiss originally and had quite a laid back charter mentality - rather than the go-go mentality of EZY. They soon got the hang of it though.

Attitude: There was in GVA a fair bit of distrust of the HQ in LTN - a not undeserved feeling of being the forgotten base - and the language difference didn't help. There were some very good operators there though (in LTN too, it has to be said) and they were a good choice for the A319 intro. This may help cement things on the ops side.

This info is based on conditions just over a year ago.

15th May 2004, 22:22

If you knew the background and detail of the situation in this thread, you would realise just how unbelievably wrong you are.

Stan Woolley
16th May 2004, 07:46

Snap!Snap!Snap! - You bite more than a piranha!

I could be wrong in this instance, but not in general re Balpa - frequently just management in waiting. :E

Doug the Head
16th May 2004, 08:30
Pay: Pay started at a franc equivalent of UK pay - stagnated when the UK pay went up and no amount of representations could change that - even though Geneva is (or was) the second most expensive city in Europe. And what would be the most expensive city in EU? London?

fred peck
16th May 2004, 09:34
RAT 5:

Actually, when training takes place, both seats are displaced.

Orion Man
16th May 2004, 16:05
Spot on Stan,

Frequently management in waiting or a stepping stone to promotion in many companies. The question is a fair one.

FlapsOne, do you trawl the threads looking to jump down peoples' throats or are you just unaware you are doing it ?

16th May 2004, 20:17
Is there anyway we could get our pivate forum back? I see Duo has/had one and were much smaller than the mighty Orange, just thought it would be nice to chat about the company in a more private manner!

EB ;)

Few Cloudy
17th May 2004, 06:28
Doug the Head,

Last time I checked on that Zürich was most expensive, Geneva just behind, London came out about 14% lower and Luton 5% below that - mind you, that was over a year back.


17th May 2004, 11:09
Stan, Orion

I neither bit nor 'jumped down peoples' throats'.

I simply added my comment (informed, because I was involved) to correct an inaccurate posting.

Facts, rather than guesswork, are available via the Balpa CC.

The Balpa (agreed by the company) solution to the whole issue was/is far better than the Swiss 'compensation' arrangement.

TopSwiss 737
17th May 2004, 11:46
Just to answer the original question: yes, us EZS busdrivers did get a compensation due to a significant number of sectors lost to training our UK and German colleages. Not more than fair I would have thought.

17th May 2004, 12:24
TopSwiss 737

Thank you for clearing up this subject. All part of the introduction of a new a/c type and seems fair that people shouldn't loose out on pay.

Moving on, when will we hear about the proposed rostering deal? Nothing on BALPA bb yet.


The Greaser
17th May 2004, 12:37
Did LGW based pilots get the same deal as well I wonder?

17th May 2004, 23:16
Don't see a problem with the question at all. Flaps, I have to agree with Stan and Orion Man. Chill out a little and don't be so dismissive of others opinions even if you don't agree with them. You seem to be in the minority here !

If you don't like the thread then don't get involved with it.

18th May 2004, 05:38
I have not been dismissive of anyone's opinion.

An incorrect statement was made, which I corrected - what's the problem with that?

18th May 2004, 07:28
Give us strength !

Alternatelaw, EasyBaby, B737NG, Stan Woolley and Orion Man all think there is no harm in asking this question on pprune. You seem to be the only one who does. Are you a moderator or a lawyer ?

As I said, if you don't like the theme of the thread then don't get involved in it. Nuff said.

18th May 2004, 15:40
And to think I was accused of biting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20th May 2004, 14:20
easy forum is still there, if you have it in your favourites, just not listed on menus any more.

Forum was closed because of lack of interest, with most posting now on BALPA forum or 'Inside.ej'.

I am sure pprune forum could be resurrected if only we used it.