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BlooMoo
11th May 2004, 11:46
If only...

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

eal401
11th May 2004, 11:55
Damn it, you got my hopes up!

:( :(

GroundGirl
11th May 2004, 13:16
What a cruel joke Bloomoo :{

Onan the Clumsy
11th May 2004, 14:46
Was he the one who invented those little cars? :confused:

eal401
11th May 2004, 15:06
Piers Moron isn't that clever.

MadsDad
11th May 2004, 15:09
I thought it was that bird off the telly.

Isla St. Clair.

Wasn't it:confused:

fokker
11th May 2004, 15:47
In an edition of 'I'm sorry, I haven't a clue' last year ( I think), the first round consisted of assigning new meanings to familiar words. Quick as a flash, Stephen Fry came up with (say it out loud for the full effect), "Countryside .... killing Piers Morgan".

Had me in stitches, but a little tricky to explain to 11 year old daughter.......................

:O

eal401
11th May 2004, 16:07
Good one! You clever Fokker..........er, I'll get me coat. :ok:

yintsinmerite
11th May 2004, 22:24
Yep, ok, taken in by the wind up . . . . but, what is it were true :D

Black cap (sponsored by your super daily Sun), at the ready your honour

pilotwolf
11th May 2004, 23:00
Can't give any details whatsoever but had dealings with him a few years back and felt, (personal opinion only, not that of employer, no liabilous accusations, etc.), and felt he was a hard, cold man who's only real interest in life was his work.

:(

Wycombe
11th May 2004, 23:22
Jeremy Clarkson hit him recently apparently.

Good shot!

He should be sick at the thought that at least some of the responsibility for the latest dispicable events in Iraq lies at his door :mad: :mad:

eal401
12th May 2004, 10:18
Respect to Jeremy (that takes a bit of doing!)

:ok:

Parapunter
12th May 2004, 10:34
I have noticed from throw away comments from various vacuous celebs on the telly, that he indeed appears to be a very disliked man, who can dish it out, but can't take it.

Not that life is a popularity contest, unless of course one is a vacuous celeb, but the old what goes around....springs to mind.

phnuff
12th May 2004, 13:07
My brother in law in a jounalist and does not like him at all. I can't use his description here, but it isn't nice. He doesnt like Alistair Cambell either for that matter

Jordan D
12th May 2004, 15:22
I have to say I quite like Piers and he seems like a decent man. Give him a break.

Jordan

Lost_luggage34
12th May 2004, 15:22
Was good to see him getting a caning in front of the MP Commitee last year.

Rumour has it, there's a repeat performance coming up !

BlooMoo
14th May 2004, 14:36
'The Sun' is now offering GBP50k for info on the fake photographs.

Time to start packing Piers...

Never really understood how you found the time to edit a 'newspaper' and also do those Bond films. :confused:

BM

tony draper
14th May 2004, 15:09
A pal of mine showed me the photographs when I visited his house(one refuses to buy newspapers now) so I had not seen them before, this chap is something of a photographic expert and pointed out many things on them that pointed to them being faked and staged, this was before they started talking about them being fakes, didn't understand all the stuff about depth of fields resolution and all that, but it looks like he was right.
Surely if a civilian can do this in a very convincing way the military must have photographic experts(recon photograph experts an all that) that could have done the same?

:confused:
One has seen some very convincing photos on the net of celebs doing norty things to each other that are suposedly faked,I think they must be, I mean Mel Gibson must have been very young when Betty Grable was that age,way to young to be doing the things he was doing.
:E

Evanelpus
14th May 2004, 15:41
Will Piers do the decent thing and fall on his sword? Will he billix!

I'm not a 'military' man but someone I work with isand he said, straight away, the piccies were false. I suppose the delay in finally acknowledging that these pictures are fake was to ensure that all the necessary information had been looked at before branding Piers and the Daily Mirror lying to$$ers.

I hope he is duly proud of the part he has played in this debacle and doesn't forget what our boys were subjected to in Basra and the likes, 24 hours after the Mirror initially released the story.

Shame on you, hope you fall down the stairs!!

SLFguy
14th May 2004, 16:37
who is this Pierced Organ fellow anyway?

Ozzy
14th May 2004, 18:28
According to the BBC, Mr Morgan has resigned.

Ozzy

BlooMoo
14th May 2004, 18:29
No longer the Editor of The Mirror. Bye Piers - good riddance you little pr!ck...:mad:

BM

gruntie
14th May 2004, 18:32
Hopefully off to patrol Basra on his own, equipped with a wooden pop-gun and a placard round his neck saying "long live Israel".

Disgusting little man.

tony draper
14th May 2004, 19:10
Doubt if the sod will be signing box three at the dole for long, golden bollix like him are on the big earner merry go round, make a total arse of running the daily mirror the railways or the royal mail out the door you go with half a million in pocket,in to the next job you can **** up and the next half mil golden goodbye, and so on and on it goes.
Never liked the smarmy bastard, he's the type that leaves a trail of slime behind when they move.
Be nicer if some irate squaddy slipped him 8 inches of bayonet.
:E

Guern
14th May 2004, 19:27
BBC now saying moron was sacked

Caslance
14th May 2004, 20:14
BBC now saying moron was sacked Good:ok:

Jordan D
14th May 2004, 20:27
Hold your horses ... he's left/resigned/sacked and if the photos are conclusively found to be false then good. But the man is a talented journalist and for that he is good.

Jordan

Send Clowns
14th May 2004, 20:32
Erm, have you seen the photos, Jordan? I admit I had already heard rumour of doubts, but even seeing an internet reproduction of one photo it was obvious it wasn't real. The picture was too sharp - even with an SLR camera, decent optics and good light it would have been a skilled piece of camera work, not just a snapshot during a beating! How on Earth did these get published? Bad journalism, perhaps?

Formally Known As
14th May 2004, 20:37
Good show.

Noah Zark.
14th May 2004, 20:47
Is this turning into the end of the Piers show? :}

phnuff
14th May 2004, 20:56
He's gone and thats great (champagne already quaffed). At the end of the day, he is a clever guy who tried to get too clever and right was done. I am no fan of the war in Iraq, but attacking the services that way is just plain wrong. He either stooped so low as get someone to fake the photo's himself or got too cocky to check 'em properly - either way, he's history. I remember him on Have I got News For You issueing a veiled threat to Hislop (himself no angel). Nasty man, good riddence !!

Caslance
14th May 2004, 21:00
I'll get your coat............:}

IB4138
14th May 2004, 21:04
Why,now it is clear that the photos and story around them were false, did ITV allow tonights "Tonight with Trevor McDonald" to be screened?

Trevor still insisting there is no smoke without fire and that abuse occurred, involving the same regiment.

Is Trevor a mate of Piers, one wonders?:suspect:

Time for Trevor and his team to follow Piers out the door!

DuckDodgers
14th May 2004, 21:15
How many chaps and achapessess in the QLR? 6-800? That's an awfully large number of liable cases against Morgan, hope he gets what he deserves and rots in hell!!!! Hopefully i will not come across him otherwise he may get a swift kick-in!!!

Rant over, what a c*** he really is!!!

AeroSpark
14th May 2004, 21:19
Hopefully the thoughtless little go85hite will meet the families of some of those he has helped put in even more danger:mad:

Engineer
14th May 2004, 21:22
Sure he believed in what he was doing was right

doubleu-anker
14th May 2004, 21:29
Yeah right.

Couldn't see the wood for the trees (money). Not only greedy but he was stubbon too.

lasernigel
14th May 2004, 22:07
Shame we can't go back a few centuries and hang,draw and quarter the [email protected]@@@@D.

tony draper
14th May 2004, 22:20
McDonald is of a similar ilk,specialising in the shallow and sensational, he has moved over to trash TV with all the ease of someone who has found his spiritual home at last.

Paranoid Parrot
15th May 2004, 00:10
It is unprecedented for the army to come out and state what they did. Mr. Morgan should have had the photos checked by a military and photographic expert. They were clearly fakes from the miltary and photographic experts point of view. He placed the British Army and civilian workers in Iraq, and Brits around the world in danger from retaliation. I think Clarkson should get a medal for thumping him, it's just a pity he didn't have a hood over his head at the same time and get his picture in the papers.

Taildragger
15th May 2004, 01:08
After todays farce at the Daily Mirror, I shall be Ultra careful what I say on this forum. Obviously the Truth is not what the papers want. Just as it will take years to win back the Hearts and Minds in Iraq, it should also take years before we even begin to trust the tabloid press where obviously truth is not going to let them get in the way of a good story.
I watched Andrew Neil of the Scotsman toninght. He is a journalist/editor of a high profile and with a great pedigree.
He was saying, and not in hindsight, that it was common knowledge amongs other editorial colleagues, that everybody beleived the photographs were fake.
So what do we tell Ahmad Average.?? It was all a hoax.??
he is more likely to respond by saying "Who is Piers Morgan, and "what is the Mirror apart from something on the wall."??
Off the wall more like. As a result, we are vilified in the Arab World, and more importantly this little [email protected]@@ck of an Editor puts our forces in harms way and gives us a hugely bad reputation in the Middle East. I viewed the press with more credibility and integrity than this, and I am shocked. I always believed that the "My Husband was bonking 24 women every day" type of story, was a load of rubbish, and should be viewed as a laugh, and anything to do with Aviation was full of innacuracies, but that the serious stuff was sacrosanct.
It will be a long time before I EVER believe anything I read in the press again, particularly the gutter press....unless it's the Football Scores. But even then ........!

For our Ozmate friends, Piers Morgan, was the Editor of the Daily Mirror, and was sacked today after the Newspaper Board accepted that photograhps appearing on the front page of the newspaper showin British Troops maltreating prisoner. It has now been proved conclusively that the pictures were fake and the vehicle was of a type never sent to Iraq. Lives were put at risk...yes Ozmate lives as well as Poms. It is a sickening and cynical piece of journalism, and of course Joe Public in Iraq do NOT believe in the innocence of the army in this case.

lofty50
15th May 2004, 01:43
Goodbye to Piers Morgan at last. He has ruined so many peoples lives over the years with the rubbish publication that he has edited, full of lies and distortions.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The Greaser
15th May 2004, 02:31
Heartily agree 100% with you taildragger, and I believe he should be prosecuted for whatever we can get him with.

TheNightOwl
15th May 2004, 02:36
I suppose it's a fairly forlorn hope, Taildragger, but could this possibly herald the end of the rag as a "newspaper", as well as its obviously untrustworthy editorial staff?

Kind regards,

TheNightOwl.:ok:

Gilky
15th May 2004, 09:26
Hmmm, wonder how many of you buy the Mirror, Sun, News of World.....? The only country in the world that publishes daily comics masquerading as news journalism and the UK public LAP IT UP!!! Clowns like Morgan only exist cos we're too lazy to read and blighted by a fascination with minor celebrity. It's no-ones fault but our own.

Capt.KAOS
15th May 2004, 10:04
Interesting, within the space of a few months the war in Iraq has claimed some formidable journalistic scalps over dubious news articles, like the ones of Morgan and the BBC management. Yet nobody in political circles was sacked over dubious reasons to go to war after the truth came out about WMD's. Colin Powell's infamous UN speach was full of hoaxes, yet he's alive and kicking...

doubleu-anker
15th May 2004, 10:14
Come, come, now nothing wrong with the good old NOTW. Good rag that, read it myself when I can get my hands on it.

As for WMD, as the US amin said, "we haven't yet got our hands on OBL but it doesn't mean he does not exist".

To be honest I can't for the life of me worked out way the coailtion haven't planted some evidence of WMD. Would save a lot of trouble, there and at home.:}

cribble
15th May 2004, 11:39
:mad:
Do you not have the offence of treason in UK?

doubleu-anker
15th May 2004, 11:50
"Do you not have the offence of treason in UK?"

Damned right they do. Too many lawyers etc and spineless judges clogging up the system for them to get things moving.

Begs the question of course, who is running the country, the elected govenment or a load wiggs?

small_dog
15th May 2004, 12:31
Never particularly liked the guy, in fact I thought he was thoroughly offensive at times. It will be interesting to see what the Amnesty and ICRC reports have to say when they are finalised. Now, if only Adam Ingram and Geoff Hoon would resign everytime they made mistakes that put people's lives in danger, instead of bullsh!tting us with "I did not see that particular report although it was in my department". Whatever happened to being responsible for what occurs in your Ministry?

OneWorld22
15th May 2004, 12:41
When should freedom of the press end and should national security dictate and alter our freedoms in times of war?

I hope that is NOT what people are suggesting here, we've always known war is a fantastic way for governments to control their populations but allowing governments to control free speech would be a step way too far.

Its good to see that the QLR regiment has behaved with far more dignity over this incident that many people on this board.

Caslance
15th May 2004, 13:23
Do you not have the offence of treason in UK? Yes, we do. The Collins Concise Dictionary defines "treason" as "betrayal of one's country or sovereign, esp. by attempting to overthrow the government".

Publishing these pictures may very well have been a despicable and cynical attempt to boost circulation figures by sullying the reputation of our armed forces but treason it most certainly was not.

Interestingly, we also have the word "hyperbole", which the same source defines as "a deliberate exaggeration used for effect".

Seems to be a fair bit of that around at the moment. :rolleyes:

Hooding, stripping, humiliation, handcuffing, sleep-deprivation, disorientation and light duffing-up are not uncommon preludes to interrogation.
Unfortunately the pansies in our Western press think this amounts to torture which it most certainly is not. And what would you call it if you were on the receiving end, Basil? :E

Aaron G. Stryngge
15th May 2004, 13:29
I don't understand quite why Morgan did what he did.

Why not simply say "I'm sorry - I thought the photos were genuine, but I have been taken for a ride. I'm not the first person to have been caught that way. Remember Lord Dacre and the "Hitler Diaries"? The evidence of the fake photos aside, as the ICRC and Amnesty International have witnessed, British soldiers are abusing Iraqi prisoners, and someone in the government is lying about knowiing about it. So all you smug gits - how do you deal with that?"

And with that, he would have got off.

BTW, I believe there's still a vacancy as DG of the Beeb...:uhoh:

small_dog
15th May 2004, 13:37
From what has been printed, it appears as if the shareholders of Trinity Mirror wanted him to leave to prevent further damage to the Mirror Brand. An apology alone would not have been enough for them, so he was forced out.

doubleu-anker
15th May 2004, 13:46
Caslance

Members of the opposition are actively engaged in trying to overthrow the govenment, 24/7/52

Some are betraying the country as they going about it. :}

El Grifo
15th May 2004, 13:56
I am surprised to note that no one is questioning the source of the staged pictures.

In an earlier post, I pointed out that the images had been shot using professional equipment and professional flash and that because the images were supplied as digital files, lots of information would be buried within these files.

Quote :-

"The images are said to be digital in origin. Buried within every digital image, is an information file, either EXIF or metadata providing information including which date and time the image was shot. That would be a good starting point at which to begin any investigation. If the information contained therin has by any chance been "surgically removed" that alone would indicate foul play".

Did the source produce the pictures for political reasons, or for monetary gain and how much effort is going to be expended in finding that source.

I think that is a question worth asking.

Flying Lawyer
15th May 2004, 14:05
I don't like the Mirror any more than the other newspapers which make up our tabloid press, and I don't care for Piers Morgan and his type. The Mirror was thoroughly irresponsible in publishing the pictures without a thorough investigation of whether they were genuine, took a gamble which went badly wrong, and the editor's head has rolled in consequence.
But, isn't it arguable that the Mirror under Morgan's editorship played a valuable function before we invaded Iraq - questioning the series of conflicting explanations and 'justifications' we were fed by the politicians, and questioning whether we should be invading at all?


We all loathe the trashy tabloids, don't we.
Or do we?
Q: Which is the UK's biggest selling daily newspaper?
Q: Which is the UK's biggest selling Sunday newspaper?

Answers:
The Sun (circulation 5 x The Times)
The News of the World.
Someone must be buying them.

I can remember when the Daily Mail was a decent newspaper which, with the Express, provided a compromise between the tabloids and the more serious papers. The Mail's circulation gradually fell until it's future was in doubt. It changed it's style, went downmarket and is now one of the top selling papers.

Why do newspapers constantly carry stories about the ridiculous and money-grabbing Beckhams? Why do they pay the obscene sums the Beckhams demand for titbits about their lives?
Because British readers want to read the titbits about their lives.
Why?
I haven't got a clue.

We get the Press we deserve. It's a sad reflection on this country - but it's an accurate reflection.

Taildragger
15th May 2004, 14:15
Flying Lawyer
I think the point is that no one doubts that abuses have occurred, and I, for one, am confident that the Army will weed them out and remove them from Iraq and from the Army.
Here, though, were clear lies and fraud. One does not weed out abuse by printing lies.
I think that the regiment should sue. Perhaps they don't want other dirty linen in the form of real abuse being aired in public, but I think they have a bang to rights case for Libel here.
What say you Legal Eagle.??

Flying Lawyer
15th May 2004, 16:05
I wasn't suggesting Morgan's head shouldn't have rolled for his serious and irresponsible blunder.

Libel action?
Always very risky unless the party suing is whiter than white and has no skeletons which may come out of the cupboard. The pictures have been proved to be fakes, and a (successful) editor of a national newspaper has been sacked as a result. I think the regiment will be satisfied with that.

small_dog
15th May 2004, 17:41
Now that Piers has gone, who will act as the effective opposition to the New Labour government? The Liberals are too small and the Conservatives are too politically similar. As Flying Lawyer mentioned, Piers did consistently challenge the Government, which was a healthy state of affairs, especially as his paper was a tabloid with a high circulation.

Engineer
15th May 2004, 18:03
Sad to see him go

His cause was backed by a conviction that abuse was being carried out.

Which appears to be true and if so puts the coalition forces in the same camp as the Iraq Deck of Cards

El Grifo
15th May 2004, 18:04
I have to admit to being quite surprised that no one has cared to pick- up on my earler point, relating to the original source of the pictures.

To my mind it is crucial.

Any views anyone ???

Engineer
15th May 2004, 18:07
EG

Does it really matter will you change the course of history

El Grifo
15th May 2004, 18:36
Bit too succinct for me Engineer. In fact I have no idea what you actually mean.

I simply find it surprising that no one is questioning the source of the staged pictures. They had to come from somewhere, several people went to a lot of trouble to set them up. (though apparently not enough)

To my mind, that is infinitely more important, than who actually published them.

El Grifo
16th May 2004, 10:00
Surprising !!!

I guess I shall simply have to await until this point is discussed in the mainstream. For surely it will.

Davaar
16th May 2004, 10:10
This week's The Spectator makes mention of one possible source which, if true, surprises me and, if true, must surely create a great deal of heartburn.

El Grifo
16th May 2004, 10:29
Pray enlighten me Davaar. On my wee volcanic rock I am not privvy to such news, and as such, am very frustrated.

Was the motive financial or political, that's what I am anxious to know.

tony draper
16th May 2004, 10:37
Hmmm, one suspects the Admiralty, no love lost there, would not be the RAF of course, they is Gentlemen.

:rolleyes:

El Grifo
16th May 2004, 12:43
Not sure what to make of that Drapsey. Is it silly or cryptic. Sometimes it is hard to tell. (Silly methinks)

A group of people went to great effort and considerable expense to procure the required kit and people in order to make the pictures look real. Weaponry like that cannot just be picked up at the local Army Navy, they may have been replicas of course.

What do you think the motives were, financial gain or political gain.

The Mirror knows who the pictures were bought from.

Surely in light of the damage this has done to both the Government the Lancashires, not to mention the increased pressure and risks to the troops in the ground, somone should be asking questions.

Engineer
16th May 2004, 13:40
EG

Direct and to the point I shall be. PM sacked because he tried to highlight a possible scandal involving the British Army which appears to be supported by the IRCR

DR admit that he is responsible for the action of US Army and apologises but is still in post. No need for IRCR to prove abuse pictures tell it all

Justice is seen to be served

I think not

El Grifo
16th May 2004, 13:51
I love that incredible whooshing sound that the relevant point of our respective posts make on passing each other, it's almost supersonic.


My question is three-fold - - Source, Source and Agenda.

Nothing more nothing less. Go back and read FFS!


:*

IB4138
16th May 2004, 15:11
Papers this morning that source is five members of TA.

Think they may be saying TaTa to army life and freedom shortly!:

Engineer
16th May 2004, 15:19
EG

Source Source and Agenda

is that not like two fold? with the repetition thing :D

Caslance
16th May 2004, 15:22
Ah - but it could be brown source or tomato source, couldn't it? :8

Davaar
16th May 2004, 15:27
El Grifo, I think it was Mark Twain (could it have been in "A Connecticut Yankee?) who wrote that there is an especially hot spot in Hell reserved for those who say, in effect, "I don't know the truth for sure, but this is what I heard. Mind you, I am only quoting X", and then dish out the dirt on how Millie caught Bill with Flossie, or that some say Tom scooped the till ("but this is confidential").

I hope I am not guilty of that sin. I always try to be on guard against it.

I know nothing of the Morgan story save what I read. These pages here give me more information, whatever the quality, on the British "photographs" scandal than the newspapers here, which notice it in passing only.

It had appeared to me that Mr Morgan is commonly believed in PPRuNe, and probably in the UK generally, to have been the villain in the piece. That would not have surprised me, because I have known newspapers over the years that did manufacture, with corroborative photographs, the news on which they themselves then commented with shock, horror, and dismay; but that is not at all conclusive against Mr Morgan in the present case.

The Spectator is a quality newspaper. When it states a fact I tend to believe the fact. In the issue of May 15, 2004, at page 30, centre column, foot of the page, written I believe before the resignation or firing or whatever of Mr Morgan, it states that the photographs that appeared in the Daily Mirror were fakes, and it speculates on the source. It states as a fact that the four-ton Bedford MK lorry in which the pictures were taken was at a barracks in the UK, not Iraq.

I see that, since I started typing this, IB4138 has posted something quite consistent with The Spectator report. I have no idea whether Mr Morgan was perpetrator or victim, and on the facts I have so far, I cannot know.

Your own question was about the source, which I agree is very interesting. The alleged source does surprise me.

You speculate on the motive: financial or political. That does discount a third possibility: sheer blind stupidity.

El Grifo
16th May 2004, 17:52
Interestingly enough Engineer, I anticipated that kind of reply.
My response comes pre-packed. I considered repetition to be the tool required to hammer the point home, in the light of your inability to connect with the question.

Caslance, to you and the "mercurial " Draper I say, this is hardly the place for childish, schoolboy humour. Somebody is f*cking with the system and innocent squaddies will die as a result.

Ha, f*cking Ha, I think not.

Thank you as always Davaar, for your honest attempt at examining the case. I shall wait until the layers of the onion are peeled, which undoubtedly they will be.

Mr Chips
16th May 2004, 18:55
Pardon me if I appear dumb, but the motive/source etc is easy...

Piers moron wanted an exclusive, so he bought one. he paid 10k for those pictures (and made 5k each time they were reproduced apparently). Some TA boys realised somehow that they could make some money, faked some pics and got paid for it.

I have no personal doubt that the Mirror knew all along that they were fakes - the mistakes were too glaring.

SO, Mirrirs motive - scoop and money
Perps motive - money

any more questions?

Caslance
16th May 2004, 19:25
Caslance, to you and the "mercurial " Draper I say, this is hardly the place for childish, schoolboy humour. Somebody is f*cking with the system and innocent squaddies will die as a result. Sorry, Mum..........:ooh:

Actually, innocent squaddies have died and will continue to die because their country called on them to go to war. That's what happens in a war - people get killed. Even the good guys.

Are you seriously trying to tell me and everyone else here that nobody in Iraq was killing, wounding and maiming our soldiers before these scurillous pictures were published?

brockenspectre
16th May 2004, 19:34
I always like to ask myself, when something akin to this current fakery occurs, "who gains"?

As a consequence of the pics and the story run there are two obvious winners as I see it .. (a) Tone and his crones who again have a press which won't challenge em (b) the Islamic fundamentalists who can now "prove" how appalling is the western alternative to Saddam - not, mind you, that a western option is what is on the agenda for Iraq (but don't let the truth get in the way of a good rumour).

Someone somewhere has made $$$ or political gain out of what has happened here ....

Just my 2 cents

:ok:

El Grifo
16th May 2004, 20:51
Chips says: -

Quote
"Piers moron wanted an exclusive, so he bought one. He paid 10k for those pictures (and made 5k each time they were reproduced apparently). Some TA boys realised somehow that they could make some money, faked some pics and got paid for it"

A fairly simplistic but plausible view, possibly straight off the top of you head and unable to be substantiated, I would imagine.

We shall watch this space!!


Caslance says :-

Quote
"Are you seriously trying to tell me and everyone else here that nobody in Iraq was killing, wounding and maiming our soldiers before these scurillous pictures were published"

Let me check - - - No, I do not appear to be suggesting that and in the light of its absurdity, I cannot imagine why I ever would.


Brockenspectre,

I am fairly sure that there are many elements in the press who would love to take a pop at "Tone and his Crones"
and also many other elements that would be more than happy to produce the pictures, in order to further destabilise the situation in Iraq. Added to that, there is also the possibility that the pictures have been shot purely and simply for monetary gain.

For my part, I simply think that it is very important to find the source of the pictures and in the light of circumstances it should not be a difficult task.

tony draper
16th May 2004, 20:58
Possibly it was just done for pure mischief, after all we have seemingly hundreds of people sitting in back rooms at computers developing computer viruses and releasing them out onto the web for no apparent gain of good reason, apart from devilment

Caslance
16th May 2004, 21:03
Just an idea - and not one that I necessarily subscribe to - but maybe the idea was to distract media attention in the UK from the real abuses carried out by US personnel in Iraq?

As to who might be responsible, there's an old adage that seems quite apposite here - cui bono.

Someone clearly went to a lot of trouble to produce these pictures, and they probably didn't do so on a whim or on the spur of the moment - they seem to have been produced by a professional.

Wait a minute......El Grifo's a photographer and doth seem to be protesting overmuch! Hmmmmmm.....:E

El Grifo
16th May 2004, 21:08
Although that is a distinct possibility Drapsey, a lot of time and effort has been put into the production of the images, not to mention expense.

Also, unlike the production of a computer virus by some sad little geek in a darkened bedroom, quite a number of people have been involved in the production. Therin lies another weak link.

"Loose lips sink ships" and all that.

Mr Chips
17th May 2004, 10:25
a lot of time and effort has been put into the production of the images, not to mention expense
Put on uniform, put Iraqi T Shirt on "Victim", climb into truck, take photos.

quite a number of people have been involved in the production
"Squaddie", "Victim" Photographer. Three.

(in response to my suggestion)
A fairly simplistic but plausible view, possibly straight off the top of you head and unable to be substantiated, I would imagine.

El Grifo you really seem to be looking for masive conspiracy where there isn't one. Some TA boys did some obviously fake photos. Piers Morgan (not renowned for journalistic integrity) bought them and published them. The fact that they came just ater the US pictures just made it more newsworthy to have apparently UK torture pics

For my part, I simply think that it is very important to find the source of the pictures and in the light of circumstances it should not be a difficult task.
I think you will find that they are about to be arrested by the Military police.

Why look for the bigger story, when there isn't one? It was all about money. Offer me 10k and you will have identical pictures by midday. make it 1pm, I need to pop home and pick up my camera.