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bizflyer
29th Apr 2004, 12:44
Well it's a wet Thursday afternoon so why not.......

Have you ever seen a UFO (of the little green men type)?

Do you believe... yes or no

compressor stall
30th Apr 2004, 00:23
It is completely self centred and pig ignorant to believe that we are alone in the universe. (A bit light the flat earth, or the earth is the centre of the universe theories).

However it's another thing to suggest that little green men are visiting us.

In this modern photographic/video age, there would be proof by now....

fourplay
30th Apr 2004, 00:24
At the risk of sounding like a freak...
It is incredibly naive and egotistical to think we are alone in the universe.
The Pyramids were not built by man!

There is a great deal of evidence of their involvement in this planets evolution.
Yet man choses to deny this at every turn.

Look at tecnology in the last 30 years for example...PC's, micro chip, microwaves, X-ray, Television, mobile phones, medical laser, new types of metals etc... it goes on and on.

For hundreds of years there was not such a massive leap in technology.
This has come from communication with ET's which began with Roosevelt in the mid 40's.
It was also the time of the famous Roswell incident!

This is a very hot subject and cause for great debate.
The US government has covered the existance and public sightings of ET's with lies, murder, the spread of dis-information and cover up's to the greatest lengths imaginable, once again from the days of Roosevelt.

The US and others are afraid of losing control over the population, many truths would come out in relation to the begining of time and the planets (incorrect documented history).
Heavy I know...your choice to bury your head in the sand or be aware that there is much more to life than what we can see, hear and feel!
The truth is out there... it will be revealed some day.

Keygrip
30th Apr 2004, 02:34
No one would have believed, in the last years of the 19th Century, that human affairs where being watched from the timeless whirls of space.

No one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinised, as someone with a micropscope studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.

Few men even considered the possibility of life on other planets - and, yet - across the gulf of space, minds immesurably superior to ours regarded this Earth with envious eyes....and slowly...and surely...they drew their plans against us.





Sorry for taking the <expletive deleted>, but I just love that opening.

Me? Seriously? I'm a believer. We cannot be alone. After all - what's Area 51 for? Just what did go on in Roswell?

G-ALAN
30th Apr 2004, 10:37
I think it's best summed up here (http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73543&perpage=15&highlight=UFO&pagenumber=2), there's some fantastic posts on the subject

SLFguy
30th Apr 2004, 11:52
I asked Mork..he said Roswell was a load of b****x.

ddm18
30th Apr 2004, 12:31
Fourplay,

I really do hope that you're taking the p*ss - you can't seriously believe that aliens taught us how to make PCs etc. You seem to think that this all just suddenly happened "30 years" ago, you obviously don't consider all of the technological leaps that happened during (and before) the two world wars in places like Bletchley Park to have any relevance at all.

Maybe you believe that the likes of Charles Babbage, Pascal, Galileo and Isaac Newton are, in fact, aliens themselves?

Presumably aliens also taught us how to build cars, trains, bridges (I mean, hell, the design of the arch is clearly out of this world), and, indeed caused the whole industrial revolution.

I just have one question. Why? Why on Earth (excuse the pun) would aliens want to come here and show us all of their secrets? What did we give them in return? Wheat? Horses?

Of course, there's a pretty good chance that (intelligent?) life exists elsewhere, but I don't believe for a second that any of it has paid us a visit.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR
30th Apr 2004, 18:48
I was a believer long before I started in aviation and I still am. I was involved in two extremely frightening incidents and one less frightening when I was a controller in Africa and in two less frightening ones during my time at Heathrow. Two of those in Africa frightened me so much I wouldn't walk out on the tower balcony at night afterwards and when I think of them now, some 35 years later, I genuinely get tbe shakes.

What any of the objects were I have no idea. I'm not suggesting that they contained small green men but at least one of those in Africa appeared to be under intelligent control (this was a radar track followed by a spectacular visual sighting). The two in southern England - missile shaped object through the LAM hold ad an orange disk at OCK - were never fully explained.

Will I ever learn the truth in my lifetime? I doubt it - far too many loonies involved, just like crop circles!

fourplay
1st May 2004, 06:59
You would be more comfortable if I was taking the p:mad:s
Sorry I am not, as a said it is a hot subject and I knew it would ruffle a few feathers.
Make up your own mind, I am not saying you have to accept what I have written, I knew most were not ready to hear such statements...yet some are!

There are many Alien races which have had a lot to do with humanity from the beginning, pages upon pages in the bible mention them and their craft.
Eric Von Daniken has written several interesting books along this line of thought years ago.

What have we given them in return you ask? why should they want anything from us.
They are all greater in intelligence, spirituallity, and evolution.
We have nothing to offer them...they have had much to offer us.

There is a lot of information on the www if you care to sift through it, sadly there is a lot of dis-information to make the truth look far fetched.
Crop circles in perfect mathematical formations?? and I am not talking about the drunks hired by governments to admit they did it for a lark...let me show you how with nana's old walking frame.
:*

Bre901
1st May 2004, 11:41
Oh, no :uhoh: :uhoh:

THEY have moved IT to JB :( :(

Time to start yet another chemtrailers thread :} :}

Wholigan
1st May 2004, 11:44
hmmmmm - sounds a bit like Stargate . :E

flower
1st May 2004, 12:00
I posted this item on Flyer only yesterday where a thread was started by someone having seen something they were unable to understand.

I was out with my Mother near Corfe Castle when something in the skies caught my eye. It was above the Bournemouth /Poole area and it was what appeared to be a hanging wing, I would estimate its altitude to be at about
20 000ft and i could describe it as looking as if it were suspended by a hook from the skies. I identified it to my mother and we watched it for some ten minutes, it never moved then suddenly it shot up vertically at the most incredible rate.

I also witnessed the most amazing sight on radar one night duty at about 2am in the Stafford area. Suddenly a massive return appeared on the radar out of nowhere, it was a very clear night so I looked out of the Tower with Binoculars to see if i could see anything but there is so much light pollution over Birmingham and the return was some 15 miles north of my position and i could see nothing.
Again i witnessed this enormous return for about 5 minutes when it suddenly split into multiple contacts and dispersed . returns however appeared on the radar for a good 15 minutes.

I am unable to explain the events.

For years radar observers have been reporting unknown contacts flying at incredible speeds down the Irish Sea, who knows what is out there, but we cannot judge potential other societies by our own standards and knowledge, what is common place to us today would seem like witchcraft and magic to our ancestors.

Buster Hyman
1st May 2004, 12:28
Keygrip. I owe you one. I'm just going to get my Rick Wakeman CD & put it on!:ok:

As for seeing objects...well...I saw one on a morning a few months back. It was a bright shining disc, hard to look at, but I managed to for most of the day. It was very slow & I'm suprised it was never reported in the press. It took all day to cross the sky & last I saw, it crossed the horizon heading towards Perth. Coincidence? No way, they're friggin' wierd over there!!!:}

Nostradamus
1st May 2004, 12:47
One Would of Thought that if They had been bothered to travel millions of miles to earth, that they would of at least said hello ?

VFE
1st May 2004, 13:01
You don't say hello to the squirrels when you walk through the woods do you?

VFE.

Caslance
1st May 2004, 13:02
You don't say hello to the squirrels when you walk through the woods do you? You mean you don't? :ooh:

VFE
1st May 2004, 13:06
Hehehe.....

Nah, I usually talk to the tree's cuz they feel it man!

VFE.

Nostradamus
1st May 2004, 13:11
And the planet you come from is ?

VFE
1st May 2004, 13:20
Some insignificant blue/green doghole called "earth". No real intelligence, barbaric "homo-sapiens" who indulge nonsensical wars with each other and who's sole aim since their rise to power has been to build a bigger and better weapon against their brothers across all the small ponds which divide all the individual zones known as "countries".

Pathetic.

VFE.

Nostradamus
1st May 2004, 13:25
Jeeeeeeeeeez it aint that bad!

IB4138
1st May 2004, 13:45
I've got a manual fruit juicing machine that looks like ET!

Is it a solidified alien then?:uhoh:

ShyTorque
1st May 2004, 16:44
We are all a big genetic experiment. We are cross-breeds between an intelligent alien race and the great apes. We were put here to continue to produce genetic material for our fore-fathers. This is the only logical way to explain the missing link, how mankind suddenly left the trees and discovered the wheel, powered flight and the PC. And bread machines and ice cream and stuff.

It's just that some of us are closer to apes than the other bit of the equation.

Ee Ee Ooh Ooh Arrgh! :}

As a young lad in the 1960s I was with a group of about 50 other folks in Scotland in broad daylight, watching a giant UFO at extremely high altitude. It was a long slender triangle, like a paper dart and it shone bright silvery white like the moon (it wasn't the moon). It hung in the sky in the same place for over half an hour then suddenly disappeared.

And I hadn't been on the Iron Bru either.

tony draper
1st May 2004, 17:24
Scotland you say? hmmm, well that shoots down the looking for intelligent life theory then.

:rolleyes:

Left yerself open there ST. ;)

Seriously, I think they are a similar phenomenon as ghosts and other supernatural phenomena,to many rational intelligent people have reported them,in the same way normal sensible people report Ghosts ect,so we have to assume the phenomenon has some reality,more subjective than objective I think, but a somehow a shared objective experence if thats not a contradiction.
Do I think they are some kind of extra terrestrial being ? of course not,it may well be that despite all the Drake equasions and wishfull thinking that there may only be one intelligent species in the entire universe at any one time, other life definatley, but in the entire long long four billion year history of this planet only one intelligent species has arose,and that is only in the last few minutes in terms of geological time, specialising in higher brain function may well be as much of a evolutionary dead end as carnivors growing horns.
Incidently the idea that aliens built the pyramids is about as daft a thing as is possible to postulate, not only do they know the name of the builder they know what they called his wife his dog and his bit on the side,the idea that the pyramids are a great mystery is a lot of bollixs propagated by loons like Von Deinken and a few before him, they make a very nice living out of it thank you very much.

ILS32
1st May 2004, 19:42
Are we alone?
I believe that some where out there intelligent life other than our
own does exist.Science is extending our knowledge at an ever increasing rate.As our technology improves we will make more and more discoveries.Just look at the Hubble Telescope and the images that it produces.As we extend the search for planets similar to our Earth who knows what we will find.The building blocks that came together to form the Earth and eventually Man could have occured elsewhere in the Universe.

It is inconceivable to me that we can be the only life form that exists in the Universe.The only life form that as evolved with intelligence.If it as happened once then surely there is no reason for it not to happen again somewhere else in another Solar System.What form it will take,whether it will be carbon based like us,I don,t know.What level of intelligence it will have,again I don,t know.All I believe is that some day in the future either we will find them or they will find us.What effect that will have on Mankind is the bit that worries me.

Then again the things that are happening on our planet may be enough to put them off ever wanting to visit us.

ILS32

tony draper
1st May 2004, 22:50
The mistake a lot of people make is assuming that intelligent life is the end product evolution is aiming at, it is not,we are not the pinacle,we are just another species that will inevetably become extinct,evolution does not have a target or a plan, instead of thick body armour horn hoof or fangs we have specialised in developing our smarts as a defensive/offensive weapon in our struggle to survive,instead of fur we adapt the envoirement in order to keep out the cold, as I said earlier, specialising in higher brain function may well be a dead end.

Ascend Charlie
1st May 2004, 23:20
At anything less than Light Speed, it would take aliens several years to get here. Even at Warp 7, the effort and energy used to get here is considerable.

Why, then, do these amazing critters only appear in desert areas to lunatic fringe crazies? Why not plop down in the middle of Red Square / Trafalgar Square / Santa Monica Pier and say gidday?

At least on the pier, people will throw them money for having the best act on the day.:8

ILS32
1st May 2004, 23:59
The mistake a lot of people make is assuming that intelligent life is the end product evolution is aiming at, it is not,we are not the pinacle,we are just another species that will inevetably become extinct

Mr Draper what you say is true if you believe that we are the only planet in the universe that is capable of producing a life form
ie Man.Man as evolved over thousands of years and will continue
to evolve.The arguement is whether we believe that there is life on other planets and if so have they evolved in tandem with us.
The other possibility is they maybe more advanced than us.You have only two choices, yes you believe or no you don,t.

At the moment the arguement is academic because no one as ever officially produced proof that Mr ET exists.Until the day John Humphries interviews ET on the Today programme then it is pure speculation that they do indeed exist. For those people who do believe then it is a possibility that somewhere in the vast unexplored reaches of the Universe Mr or Mrs ET is waiting to be found.

ILS32

BlueDiamond
2nd May 2004, 00:22
You have only two choices, yes you believe or no you don,t.
I don't think that statement is correct, ILS32. There are many who await sufficient evidence to support either point of view and who do so with completely open minds. They neither believe nor disbelieve.

ILS32
2nd May 2004, 01:20
BlueDiamond
The original thread asked do you believe,yes or no. I believe that there is life out there even though I haven,t the
evidence to back up my belief .There maybe a lot of PPruners who
will keep an open mind until the evidence is placed before them,
and yes many members of the general public will also.The vast majority will not believe or may be not accept that alien life exists
until it is on the television news or in the papers.So in regard to the question I think my statement is correct you do have two choices yes or no.

ILS32

henry crun
2nd May 2004, 03:20
I am with BlueDiamond, its not a case of only two choices.

Ils32, agreed, the original quŽstion asked was "UFO's & ET, yes or no?", but............................................

Do I believe in UFO's ? sure do.
There have been lots of sighting of strange objects on the sky that cannot or have not been explained, but do I believe they are being driven by ET or little green men ? no.

Show me the evidence and I will believe.

By evidence I mean something that is demonstrably true, and not the lunatic ravings of a coverup at Roswell, or the word of an attention seeking loony who claims to have been abducted by aliens and had unspeakably horrid experiments performed on his/her body.

Nani
2nd May 2004, 06:22
I refuse to believe we are all alone in this universe.

Perhaps Jericho seen the South Park episode where all different species are thrown into earth as a reality show for aliens.
Some days,I tend to believe it is true...;)

BlueWolf
2nd May 2004, 08:21
Who cares?

Yes, logic dictates that of course we are not alone in this infinite universe, and of course some of those with whom we share it are both more intelligent and more advanced than us.

Probably, almost certainly, we have been observed for far longer than we may be aware.

If and when any of our "neighbours" choose to make contact, if indeed they haven't already, it will be because it suits them to do so, and not necessarily because it may be in our best interests.

If and when that happens, homo sapiens, infinitely adaptable creature that he is, will respond accordingly, as he sees and senses is required.

Until it happens, we probably don't need to worry about it, because we can't do Jack Schitd about it anyhow.

BTW, ShyTorque, I know the Missing Link personally; he lives just up the road, and works in a nearby quarry:D

Loc-out
2nd May 2004, 10:38
Yes, Iím sure theyíre here all right and if they want to be seen they will be seen.

I have been in this aviation business for 35 years and yes, I have seen things. Very strange things, out there. I know the difference between a sunrise/set, I also know what the moon looks like. I am still quite able to tell the difference between a man made object and something that does not look or perform like anything on earth. So please donít insult my intelligence by trying to tell me that my sightings are a figment of my imagination.

We must be very naive to think we are the only ones in the universe. Just because we donít understand it, doesnít mean that they are not here.

The bottom line is this. Our brains are very limited and we are not as smart as we all think. Even the smartest scientists and all the theory people CANNOT get their heads around INFINATY and never will. That sums it up.

Gainesy
2nd May 2004, 11:24
in the entire long long four billion year history of this planet only one intelligent species has arose,

Intelligent? I've never seen a dolphin in a traffic jam.

Seriously, I find it difficult to believe that there are not other intelligent (or upcoming) life forms in the universe. Whether they could be arsed to contact us is a different matter.

ehwatezedoing
2nd May 2004, 14:29
in the entire long long four billion year history of this planet only one intelligent species has arose,
And I would had that intelligence is prone to self destruction.
(just see how smart we were during cold war) :hmm:

So the real question is:
Is there somewhere an intelligence who lasted long enough to invent, do and survive long space travel :p

tony draper
2nd May 2004, 15:32
Intelligent life forms may well arise from time to time in the universe the trouble is they have to be around at the same brief moment of time.
The universe is at least fifteen billion years old,we have been around for less than a million and our technology has only become capable of sending and recieving radio messages in the last 80 years.
Then of course we have the speed of light limit,interstella travel may never be possible,despite warp drive or wormholes ,remember they are the invention of science fiction writers,and have no basis in reallity, and carrying out a conversation with some smart little octopoid critter one hundred and fifty light years away is going to be very frustrating remember the question will still take 150 years to get there and the answer 150 years to return.

ssultana
2nd May 2004, 16:07
Alien life on other planets - Yes
---"------ Here - No

It's stupid when people say that the pyramids weren't built by men, it takes away from the effort put in. If you give me the planning permission and enough manpower (all workers possesing a religious conviction that, they are helping their divinly choosen king) i'll build you a pyramid even bigger using their technology, it's very do-able. Easier than going to the moon... then again it's the same fools who deny that happened (like the russians wouldn't have debunked it if it were false)

Also if aliens who could get here were building a pyramid, i think it would have been made out of some wierd material and probably have a power source and air con.

If you go to Egypt you can see the development of pyramid architecture from the first step pyramids of zoza (quite small) to the bigguns at giza. Maybe the aliens were practising? or are the aliens actually just humans!

Give your ancient brothers some credit for their handiwork!

If anything is supernatural or paranormal, or alien to you, get your head seen to!

airship
2nd May 2004, 18:16
Why does one assume that UFOs and aliens in general are big enough to be seen with the naked eye? :8

tony draper
2nd May 2004, 18:52
Someone once did a analysis of the reported behaviour and motion of ET and UFO's they came to the conclusion that they behaved more like the random motion and actions of insects or very simple life forms, no sense or logic to them that we can fathom.
Like I said earlier on,same phenomena as Ghosts.

BlueDiamond
3rd May 2004, 01:34
Why does one assume that UFOs and aliens in general are big enough to be seen with the naked eye?
That's the most original and thought-provoking question I have ever seen in relation to U.F.O./alien discussions, airship. It's probably because the movies tell us they're made that way!!

:) :)

If aliens do exist, then of course they could well be so minuscule we'd need microscopes to see them and they could have been dwelling happily in our midst for centuries. We would never have known. But they would have had a sod of a job building those pyramids wouldn't they?

:rolleyes:

HEATHROW DIRECTOR
3rd May 2004, 16:46
flower - very interesting. A military ATCO told me of an incident over the west coast of Scotland some time ago. A Nimrod asked if there was any known traffic as they thought something was close by. ATC had no knowledge of anything. A little later ATC saw a target pull away from the Nimrod and accelerate to enormous speed...

Aurora (if such a thing exists)??

DeepC
3rd May 2004, 21:18
Aurora (if such a thing exists)??

Shhhhhhh......

I thought that you controllers had been told to keep it under your hat. You can't go around spoiling the fun like that.

DeepC

airship
3rd May 2004, 22:03
Why, thank you for the compliment BlueDiamond, ma'am, you may wish to add a contribution to this thread (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128461), where so far only TIM wants to get drunk with me. Which may be like drinking alone, the sign of a true alcoholic, hic! If we're still on the same wave-length, then just compare termites and termite mounds to slaves and the pyramids. Then consider that every so often, termites take to the air as nature calls. Flashing their greenish invitations as they are wont to do. Perhaps our miniature aliens merely do the same thing at FL350, deflecting the energy emitted by man's radars to amplify their amorous declarations... :O

tony draper
3rd May 2004, 22:12
There is probably a critical size below which individual intelligence cannot develope,yer Ant has a kind of collective intelligence, individualy they are thick as two short planks,they just have a few bits of behaviour hard wired into them, rather like folks from Sunderland.
All the Ants in the universe could never come up with the steam engine, also what folks forget technological progress depends on the mastery of fire,thats why we can never be seriously challenged by the Dolphins.

:rolleyes:

airship
3rd May 2004, 22:48
If all Brits were Drapers: One Draper may have invented the steam engine. But for all the Drapers acting together, the British Empire would probably never have been. :rolleyes: Now imagine all the Drapers using their collective intelligence, we would probably already be on our way past Andromeda... :)

Formally Known As
8th May 2004, 10:49
Have a look at these sites. They may interest some of you.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/

http://www.geocities.com/natethegreat2u_2000/

Boss Raptor
8th May 2004, 13:01
UFO's and ET? Yes...and are we being misled and slowly being prepared for the day they finally tell us...yes...

Conspiracy theories on this 'Majestic' and 'Aurora' etc. all a big yes

The justification on each would go for pages and pages...but a big YES even from an old crusty like me :ok:

Maxflyer
8th May 2004, 14:15
The Vulcans gave us Velcro. I know because I saw it on Enterprise.

con-pilot
9th May 2004, 01:17
Well I have been flying for (man this is scary) for 38 years. Only one time have I seen anything that could, maybe, possibly called a UFO.

But I was born in 1947 and my hometown is Roswell, New Mexico.

So you all donít really expect me to tell the REAL truth do you?
:suspect: :suspect: