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FFP
22nd Apr 2004, 17:25
ssultana has got me going now . . .. .

I've been toying with the idea now for a number of years and once I've got the finances/career abroad set up, I'm jumping ship from Blighty.

Having been to most place, Canada floats my boat and with the cost of houses out there I reckon I could get a 4 bed detached with swimming pool and hot tub for around £120,000 !!!

That, incidentally, doesn't even buy a 1 bed flat round my way.

So, my question is, what would it take for you to emigrate ? Would you if you had the money ? Where would you go ?

Is anyone planning to emigrate TO the UK ?

What would you miss from the UK ?

zed3
22nd Apr 2004, 17:38
Having been born and bred in the UK I left to go to Europe in 1970 at the age of 19 . I am now 53 and have lived in Luxembourg , Belgium and for the last 32 years in the Netherlands. Whilst I have enjoyed my time here I am waiting to move back to the UK where we have a flat ( so I have not been out of touch ) . The Netherlands has changed enormously in the 32 years I have been here , it used to consist of friendly ,tolerant , polite and unselfish folk . However it is mostly inhabited by "me" thinkers and politeness is considered a weakness . Don't get me wrong it's not entirely bad but little things rankle especially when it's not your home country . I speak Dutch and have a Dutch wife ( who is also happy to move to the UK ) so I am not a little Englander . The UK has it's + and - points like everywhere but you would miss it . I wouldn't have missed what I have done or experienced for the world but time changes all and ourselves . Four years to go and I'll be on the island as a residence - God willing. St George's day tomorrow'.

Ozzy
22nd Apr 2004, 17:38
Ask Jerricho about Canada. Especially the income tax situation. I also expect that property prices vary depending upon location. Having said that, go where you feel you'll have fun.

Ozzy

PaperTiger
22nd Apr 2004, 17:55
I reckon I could get a 4 bed detached with swimming pool and hot tub for around £120,000Not anywhere close to a major city, you won't :uhoh: Still, Thompson can be pleasant for a couple of weeks in July.

FFP
22nd Apr 2004, 18:07
Kitchener / Waterloo area.

That assuming £120,000 = @ $275,000.

I know the grass is always greener etc, but having lived in both countries (albeit only for a year in Canada) it beats the hell out of the UK in my opinion.

Will miss the UK Top 40 but then that's what the internet is for I guess :p

con-pilot
22nd Apr 2004, 18:11
Just food for thought, 120,000 pounds is around $ 216,000.00 USD.

For that amount of money in Oklahoma City you could buy:

A 3,000 square foot house with:

3 bedrooms
2 and a half or three quarters bathrooms
2 living areas (one with a bar)
Formal dinning room
Huge kitchen
3-car garage
Large in-ground swimming pool
Large lawn (garden)
In a nice neighborhood

But you would have to live in Oklahoma City (But at least it ain’t Texas).
:E

Davaar
22nd Apr 2004, 18:27
I've been to Oklahoma City. I thought the people we met were very sharp. Maybe it's because of ORU.

Nani
22nd Apr 2004, 18:38
Howdy Con! Did you read about the new Texas reality TV show?

Due to the popularity of the Survivor shows, Texas is planning to do its
own, entitled "Survivor - Texas Style". The contestants will start in
Dallas, travel to Waco, Austin, San Antonio, over to Houston and down to Brownsville. They will then proceed up to Del Rio, on to El Paso, then to Midland, Odessa, Lubbock and Amarillo. From there, they'll proceed to
Abilene, Ft. Worth and finally back to Dallas.
Each will be driving a pink Volvo with bumper stickers that read, "I'm gay,
I'm a vegan, I voted for Al Gore, Garth Brooks Sucks, Hillary in 2004, the
Alamo never happened and I'm here to confiscate your guns!"

The first one to make it back to Dallas alive wins.

Davaar
22nd Apr 2004, 18:49
Nani, in 1960 they had roadside signs in Texas:

KILL A

COMMIE

FOR

CHRIST.

Lance Murdoch
22nd Apr 2004, 18:55
Having lived in the UK all my life except for a three month stint in the US I think the only country that I would definetly emigrate to would be Canada. Id probably only emigrate though if I had a better employment opportunity than I presently have in the UK.
If money was no object I think Id go and live in the Alpine region of France.
South Africa is quite nice but theres no winter sports there.

AeroSpark
22nd Apr 2004, 19:37
My plan is to wait until the kids are old enough to do what they want, then upsticks and head for France, probably the Alps but maybe the Pyrenees, and open a small guesthouse catering for cyclists/walkers/skiers. Would like to do it in the next five years but I don't thuink its fair uprooting the kids and exposing them to such a sudden culture change, foreign language etc while they are still so young.

Sort of staying on topic did anyone else watch that program that was on Channel 4 I believe, called No Going Back. Probably worth watching for anyone considering a move!

pigboat
22nd Apr 2004, 19:39
I can't emigrate, I'm already here.
Re ORU. It's always puzzled me that oral sex is a felony in certain areas of the US, but Oral Roberts is not. ;)
(Now, back to the regularly scheduled program)

ChrisVJ
22nd Apr 2004, 19:56
Well we did emigrate, and with four kids at the time. That was about 16 years ago. (We've got 6 now!) I was 44, CD was , well, 30 something.

What do I miss? Marmalade (can't seem to get decent marmalade here.). That sudden culture change arriving in France, ( But then we are going to Europe next week so I guess it's not fatal.)
What did we get in the exchange? Too much to mention,

Visited UK a couple of years ago and did not recognise the place. Parking fines that would buy you the whole car here, traffic that makes the Fraser Salmon run look like a wet Winter weekend in S****horpe when the team is playing away. (Not my editing, use your imagination.) Loss of manners, respect, justice, freedom, space, etc that look like the rather tacky end of a fine civilisation. We have no desire to go back.

Many immigrants do get that "need to go home" feeling, mostly people who have a lot of close relatives still back there, and typically after about ten years. They pack up everything and then about 6 to 10 months later they turn up over here again. It's called the 10,000 dollar cure.

How did we feel leaving? I expected to be upset, feelings of homesickness etc. Not a bit. Some good friends drove us to the airport, we waved goodbye, got on a plane. Nary a tear. Too excited, too much to look forward to.

Oh, yes, this is a flying forum isn't it. Easy and cheap to build an advanced ultralight or experimental. Lots of kits available. Simple rules, lots of airspace, I'm paying the equivalent of 38p a litre for mogas, (My USA friends ar bitching mad 'cos they're paying 28 to 30p!)

The only hesitation I have in recommending it is that I would not want the word to get around,

Aerofoil
22nd Apr 2004, 20:09
Would you emigrate?

In a word...YES!

I can't wait to get out!

Dave

FFP
22nd Apr 2004, 20:10
I can tell you what I wouldn't miss

1) House Prices
2) Poor Customer Service
3) General Public (see Are the English Selfish Thread)
4) Fuel Prices
5) Only 5 flavours of ice cream in the supermarket
6) Any UK town on a weekend night

That's for starters . . .. ;)

ssultana
22nd Apr 2004, 20:20
Obviously it won't be for a long time due to miltary ambitions that i will choose where i live, but when i can...

Kauai, Maui or the nothern states of U.S / Canada for a few years..

But then.. I'd probably just move back to Cornwall, low crime, the beaches, the little restaurants like the Pandora - tucked down helford passage. The sea cliffs on the north coast around watergate bay and Padstow...

reynoldsno1
22nd Apr 2004, 20:25
Emigrated (as an adult) from the UK a long time ago - been back several times to see family. Don't miss a thing about the country.

Dead_Heading
22nd Apr 2004, 20:26
Never moving from blighty, I'm afraid, I will take holidays away, but I can't bear the idea of being away from the UK for ever and not being a citizen of the place I was born and grew up in. I just don't like the idea of leaving the place I belong:a little village in the middle of nowhere with sheep to humans in the ration 9:1. I'm the odd one out here! :{

I'd miss:

1)The buildings
2)The sport
3)The countryside
4)The animals
5)The weather
6)The BBC
7) My family
8)Most other things except tabloid newspapers, yobs, hooligans, and a knee-jerk attitude towards firearm legislation.

Jeffrey S
22nd Apr 2004, 20:37
I will emigrate as soon as i make enough money!



1st choice will be Cyprus!
2nd will be Canada!
3rd will be anywhere with decent weather!


I would not miss any of the following here:
1)weather
2)high fuel prices
3)high house prices
4)The general rip-off britain bug
5)weather

I would miss:
1)family
2)a bacon and egg sandwich with brown sauce in the morning
3)some of the people, who are freindly
4)british etuiquette

Its not a bad place to live, just over-rated, over-hyped and over-priced.

:ok:

Grandpa
22nd Apr 2004, 20:41
Ich bin frölisch wie Gott in Frankreich.
My roots are there, I have traveled around the world and I can't fancy a better place.
I wouldn't emigrate, unless there is no more food here, unless Jean Marie Le Pen seizes power, or Christian/Muslim/Jewish....fundamentalists.

Re-reading this post, I realises the reasons why so many people emigrate from so many countries... and come to France.

redsnail
22nd Apr 2004, 21:26
I left Australia for the UK in 2001. I did it for the job market mainly. Yes, it has it's well publicised downside but on the whole, I enjoy Britain. Checkers emigrated here from Australia in 2002 for the same reason.
We plan to retire in Australia though :D

Pubs are fun.
Scenery is pretty amazing, esp in Scotland.
Some very good restaurants.
People warm and friendly.
Close to Europe :t

Wx? oh well. :D

maxman
22nd Apr 2004, 21:40
Con-pilot.
Thanks for letting me know that my house is worth 3 times yours.
But will fit quite comfortably in your garage !!!!!
Would I move

DUH.

seacue
22nd Apr 2004, 21:51
con-pilot,

Your Oklahoma City house prices certainly aren't similar to those here in the east. Two-and-half to three times as much would be the best approximation.

$200k will buy you a small terraced (row) house in a moderate neighbourhood. Friends just sold one for $236k - they were asking $220k. 3 small br, tiny kitchen, small dining rm, small living room [lounge], finished room and 3/4 bath in basement.

PaperTiger
22nd Apr 2004, 21:57
Kitchener is a nice part of the country. Right side of Toronto for YYZ too (I'm assuming an aviation connection), the drive can be a bit browntrousers in the winter though.

By coincidence, this arrived in my email earlier this week (hope it formats OK - b:mad:r, it doesn't, oh well - FWIW):Survey of Canadian House Prices First Quarter 2004

Average House Prices (2004, 2003, change%)

Detached Bungalow | Standard Two Storey
Halifax 162,167 158,706 +2.2 | 208,375 205,218 +1.5
Charlottetown 130,000 127,000 +2.4 | 155,000 145,000 +6.9
Moncton 110,000 95,000 +15.8 | 105,000 98,000 +7.1
Saint John 127,800 116,174 +10.0 | 166,300 146,500 +13.5
St. John's 126,000 110,667 +13.9 | 182,667 162,667 +12.3
Atlantic 131,193 121,509 +8.0 | 163,468 151,477 +7.9
Montreal 189,500 172,833 +9.6 | 289,273 265,125 +9.1
Ottawa 252,857 240,000 +5.4 | 250,286 238,000 +5.2
Toronto 332,366 316,994 +4.8 | 458,444 428,357 +7.0
Winnipeg 164,071 148,036 +10.8 | 154,500 139,563 +10.7
Saskatchewan 135,983 129,000 +5.4 | 147,500 139,667 +5.6
Calgary 217,563 216,625 +0.4 | 231,300 227,256 +1.8
Edmonton 172,857 166,714 +3.7 | 188,571 186,000 +1.4
Vancouver 446,711 397,641 +12.3 | 517,380 461,426 +12.1
Victoria 281,000 256,000 +9.8 | 315,000 285,000 +10.5

(credit: Royal LePage Real Estate Services. Fair use via the web)

maxy101
22nd Apr 2004, 22:02
Dead Heading You know that other countries have buildings too? And countrside and animals! As for the sport, buy a satellite dish and watch it from the comfort of your half priced house basking in decent sunshine drinking your cheaper beer. Come on over, the water is lovely here on the continent.
Having said all that , you come up against different problems such as language or race barriers. One of the amazing things about the Brits is we treat everyone fairly and equally. Contrast that with certain other countries where you can be treated as a second class citizen if you are not careful.

ShyTorque
22nd Apr 2004, 22:23
Went to work in East Asia, came back to blighty some years later and was glad to be back. For a short while. So much had changed. 6 years later, I am sick to the teeth of the crass stupidity we have to endure on a daily basis. All that was attractive about the place is being legislated away. But that's getting un-PC so I'd better not....there - see what I mean? :\

airship
22nd Apr 2004, 22:28
I already did. But I think anyone thinking of emigrating from the UK should be aware of one important point which is pensions. In theory, anyone eventually retiring to another EU country is reasonably assured of receiving the minimum state pension (part paid by the UK and part by the new one). And other countries also have mutual agreements with the UK.

But I have heard of some horror stories about people who have retired elsewhere only to find that their pensions were frozen at the level at the time they emigrated etc. You can find out more here. (http://www.dwp.gov.uk/lifeevent/benefits/social_security_agreements.asp) The agreement for Canada for example contains the following "...so although UK State Pension and bereavement benefits are payable in Canada, you will not get annual increases in benefit once you have ceased to be ordinarily resident in Great Britain. This means that your benefit will stay at the same rate as when you left the UK, or when you
first qualified for the benefit if you were already living in Canada at the time..." But I heard that the Canadians are so big-hearted they make up the difference in extra payouts.

So unless you're loaded or don't intend living very long, be prepared! :uhoh:

Tonic Please
22nd Apr 2004, 22:36
Would move to Canada if I was given a ticket today. Some might know that from the agony aunt forum etc.

I have done much research about the place. Beautiful landscape, atmospehere, people, food...everything. I am English. Born in CHertsey, living around Weybridge now. I just feel at home each time I visit Canada. Weather it be Victoria BC for my pilots license (done last year), or Montreal for the jazz etc and girls (:} ) Mum and sister get upset for me leaving (Dads more like.."off you go..havent you gone yet?). I'm more like.."come on...sod off..i gotta run ill miss my flight!! (even if it doesnt leave for another 2 hours).

I get a little watery eyes each time I have to leave. I would not miss one thing about england. Now, I may be 19, and fair enough I havent expeirenced everything, but I have a decent enough head on my shoulders to understand what this country's position/situation is.

Everything is just wrong. Or illogical. Out of proportion. Not given the correct priority. its insanity. Everything I hear / read in/about Canada, makes sense to me. Its "what I would do". www.canada.com is even my home page.

Everyone in my family and friends knows about my passion for Canada (and jazz and aviation), and are aware that they are not the forefront of my mind. I guess its good I have ambition so young.

So, any chance you get...I say go for it. Id never look back. But, whatever you do, make sure its the right decision in your heart (without being soppy I mean). You dont want to go through all the immigration processes etc. Kids to school, jobs set up, only to find you miss the cold damp mornings with greasy egg bacon chips beans and sasauges and some HP sauce!

All the best in your ventures!

Dan
(P.S...See you there ;) )

El Grifo
22nd Apr 2004, 23:32
Moved with the wife and kids to the Canary Islands (Lanzarote) over ten years ago. Died and gone to heaven.

People tell me I should get a commision from the tourist board for proclaiming my undying love for the place to anyone who will listen.

Daughter finished her secondary education here, went back to Newcastle University, got her degree and now looks after the likes of Coldplay and Kylie in London.

Son fixes computers and installs security systems here after dropping out of Uni prior to coming here.

We eat out at least 3 times a week and dine out on the patio, under the sub tropical moon, eight months of the year.

'Kin Maaaaaaaaarvelous !!!

:cool: ;) :cool:

canuck slf
22nd Apr 2004, 23:40
I emigrated in 1981 with 4 kids to Vancouver. I am not employed in aviation. I had worked in Africa for sometime and could not face fitting back into "small", crowded UK and we also had personal reasons for making a fresh start outside UK.

Chose Canada/YVR because of climate, similar to UK, but more stable. Rest of the country gets too cold for me. Yes it is a back water compared to YYZ, and I like it that way. Always rates pretty high in studies comparing quality of lifestyles. Fairly good social medical system, far from perfect though.

Minuses for Canada/YVR, long way to get anywhere, Europe or Oz. Aviation industry; I will leave to others working here. If you are looking for history and culture stay in Europe. Cost of housing is not cheap, but then that is driven by demand! Government tends to be a bit wishy washy on issues.

Miss from UK. The pub atmosphere. Ability to do short cheap weekend breaks to continent. Family, (your kids will not have grandparents to visit easily). Sense of humour.

If you think about returning to UK later, remember when your kids grow up, marry, have kids, they become your roots in your new country. The cost of housing also makes returning impracticable. We also find when we get off the plane at LHR and start lining up for evrything, you realize how many people live on that island. I like visiting and I like coming back.

As a closing remark, I think everywhere has its good and bad points. There is no perfect location, thank god, otherwise it would be overun, you just choose what fits you best.

Best of luck whatever you decide.

Paracab
23rd Apr 2004, 01:30
There is a programme on TV every weekday about finding a property to emigrate to. Watched it today (during a slow period at work:E ) and they were in northern France.

One of the houses was absolutely beautiful, three bedroomed cottage, set in an acre of land, with its own lake (!) and boat. All for 40K !!!!

Its so very tempting, I imagine the majority of people reading this could do it and bin the mortgage at the same time. I am certainly giving it serious thought - I just can't see a reason not to.

IB4138
23rd Apr 2004, 06:34
Did it last year and wished I'd moved to Spain in 1992, when I was first made redundant.
The UK in the last 8/10 years had not been kind to my family on many fronts.The only good thing was the rise in property prices, but that only compensated for the fall on the stock market and with it savings plan and pension fund values.

angels
23rd Apr 2004, 06:42
I didn't emigrate per se but was posted by my company. Hong Kong for four years, Singapore for 4-1/2 years. Both great places, both had their faults.

I can't believe that no-one has mentioned Australia as a place to go to. I love Sydney and if I was posted there tomorrow my first query would be 'What's the flight number?'.

My mate has just bought a gaff in Harbord and is happy as Larry.

Binoculars
23rd Apr 2004, 08:14
Shhhh, Angels! We're trying to keep it quiet. :rolleyes:

BlueWolf
23rd Apr 2004, 08:27
If I was going anywhere, it would be Canada, probably BC.

But....I'm not built for running, so I'll have to stay here and fight the good fight instead.

When we've got rid of the lesbian socialist witches running our asylum, and rebuilt our ties with the West, all you guys and girls will be more than welcome here.

If we can't do it for the whole country, we will at least declare the South Island independent, and do it that way.

Y'all watch this space...;)

Animalclub
23rd Apr 2004, 08:48
Left UK for Australia when I was 20 years old. Never looked back. My Australian wife used to enjoy Scotland every time we visited, but we both enjoyed coming back to Australia.

El Grifo
23rd Apr 2004, 08:50
Que tal Iberia?

Interesting what you say about wishing you had made the move earlier.

When I was making the decision whether to up sticks or not, I talked to a lot of people who had. Almost to a man, the cry was "wish I had done it earlier"

That was enough for me. I vowed never to be one of those people.

At 38 I flogged the lot, arrived in Lanzarote with not a word of Spanish, within 6 months I had a fiscal licence which allowed me to start a wee business, a residencia, which gave me full rights, a social security number and a Spanish driving licence.

I am now 53, own two Villas with pools, one to live in and one to rent for the holiday market.
That is my pension scheme Canarian style.

My wife goes to Scotland about four times a year for a weekly visit to her mum, leaves here at lunchtime and is there in time for tea.

As for me, my old mates know where I am and never fail to visit in the summer.

Hate to sound smug but as I said before, "Died and gone to heaven"

:cool: :8 :cool:

Mr Chips
23rd Apr 2004, 09:08
Last Summer I met a gorgeous Aussie girl, and spent Xams and New Year 2003 in Melbourne (with a trip to Sydney to wander on top of the bridge!!!)

Would i emigrate to Australia? In a heartbeat. I reckon if I sold up everything here I would head dunnunda with $300k. The houses were comparatively cheap, lovely, detatched lots of land. All the people I met were lovely, the weather was gorgeous....

Am I going to emigrate? No. But I would certainly vote for Australia...

redsnail
23rd Apr 2004, 12:34
Lived in Sydney for 28 years. Then moved to the far north for ~6 or so years.
Kununurra, east Kimberley. Then Broome, west Kimberley (should be called the Pilbara), then finally Cairns, north Queensland. Great Barrier Reef is nearby :D Why I left Cairns I haven't quite worked out.
Now, as stated above I live in Luton. 4 murders and a rape so far on the street (or street nearby). Nice.... :D

DishMan
23rd Apr 2004, 13:19
Left UK 1987 single for Paris + stayed there for 13 yrs meeting Mrs DM (Scottish!) 4 little DMs. Moved toThe Hague 2000 part of starting up a new company.

Most of you know already the DM clan is starting the move back to France. (Just need to sell me house hint hint!)
As it is a BIG change again, DM will keep his secure reasonably well paid job here and keep the funds coming in while the family home gets set up again...we've settled on the Pyrenees area too.

Sorry - but you would have to pay me obscene amounts of money to get me back to the UK and I would only be taking it for a short while to set myself up completely debt/mortgage free in France :E

I know Herr Draper's skin will crawl if he reads this...but this family has been frenchified :D

Aerospark - I don't want to do cycling/trekking - but a colleague has just spent three days viewing a place in the foothills of the Pyrenees to do exactly what you are aiming to. I found it while looking for myself and told him about it...Monday I should know if he's resigning or not!!!!! Surprisingly there's very few cycling/trekking/ski-ing set-ups there! PM me if you want more details!

DM