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ickle black box
20th Jun 2001, 21:18
Only in America. I laughed, especially after reading that the animal lovers gave a $120,000 reward for finding the bloke!

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) A man was convicted Tuesday of tossing a little dog to its death on a busy highway in a bout of road rage and could get up to three years in prison.

A jury took less than an hour to convict Andrew Burnett, 27, of animal cruelty for killing Leo, a fluffy white bichon frise, in an episode that outraged dog lovers. Dog lovers and others had donated $120,000 to find Leo's killer more than the reward in many local missing-child cases.

''It doesn't bring Leo back but at least Leo had his day,'' Leo's owner, Sara McBurnett, said after the verdict. ''One cruel person has been accountable for their cruelty.''

Burnett, a former telephone repairman, sat motionless as the verdict was read.

His attorney, Marc Garcia, said the furor surrounding the case made it difficult for his client. ''The deck was so stacked against him in this case from day one,'' Garcia said.

Sentencing is set July 13.

McBurnett and other witnesses testified that after a minor traffic accident in February 2000, Burnett yelled at her, reached through her open car window, grabbed the dog and hurled it into oncoming traffic. The 10-year-old pet was struck seconds later.

''It wasn't just a dog to me,'' McBurnett said. ''For me it was my child. He killed my baby right in front of me.''

Police said an anonymous e-mail tipped them to Burnett. He had been jailed in December on unrelated charges of stealing thousands of dollars worth of tools from his employer, Pacific Bell, and of lying to get out of a speeding ticket. Police matched Burnett to a sketch of the road rage suspect.

Burnett never took the stand. But his lawyer said he instinctively grabbed the dog because it bit him on the hand.

''Andrew Burnett is the only person in the whole world who would think this was reasonable,'' prosecutor Troy Benson said.

Whirlybird
20th Jun 2001, 21:27
You laughed!!!! I'd like to kill the guy with my own bare hands. :mad: :mad: :mad:

And I don't live in America.

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trolleydollylover
21st Jun 2001, 01:16
All wanky dogs should be squashed.

It also happened in Scotland recently. With the closeure of a local Greyhound Track a mut was tossed out of a moving car. The people were arrested.

On a similar vein there have been checks run on Greyhounds for Viagra. Supposedly it is given by trainers before the race to raise the animals heart rate.

I can see it now the traps open and the dogs go "Sod the Rabbit" and dive on each other it a big ball of hair legs and cocks.

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Whoa there bigfella, whoa!

Velvet
21st Jun 2001, 02:07
What humour can be found in deliberate acts of brutality or cruelty. To animals, children or adults!!!

Arm out the window
21st Jun 2001, 03:35
Hear, hear, Velvet.

These guys were probably the ones who used to pull the wings off flies and burn up ants with magnifying glasses.

I can only hope that the idea of karma is true, and they come back as the little beetles that run around in Asian toilets.

Kaptin M
21st Jun 2001, 03:50
.....or gerbils in San Francisco!!!

Get me the whip and the black lace stockings, and I'll let you know, Velvet.

Celtic Emerald
21st Jun 2001, 11:37
IBB

I have to agree with Velvet & Whirly on this one. While the penalty may seem out of proportion to penalties given for cruelty to children etc causing suffering to any living creature is not funny and not a case for laughter or belittlement nor does it justify either behaviour.

Alot of the cause of man's inhumanity to man and animals alike has been caused by 'a lack of empathy' in the perpetrators, this has been noticed by people who have had to bring these people to justice. When one starts to revel in the misery, pain & cruelty caused to other living creatures it's time to seriously take a look at one's values and conscience.

Not a good call IBB, I'm sorry http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif

Emerald

[This message has been edited by Celtic Emerald (edited 21 June 2001).]

Radar Departure2
21st Jun 2001, 15:01
Laugh? The tears are still running down my cheeks; can't you just imagine that "wanky" dog bouncing around in the peak hour traffic?

Ickle, you haven't had a very good 48 hours, have you? Before you post your next hysterical topic, maybe you should just stop and wonder about the seemingly remote possibility that not everybody will agree with you.

RD

Throtlemonkey
21st Jun 2001, 15:25
If Justice is served correctly this man will hopfully have to share a cell with and be the wife of a 350 pound serial killer named Willma the texas @rse bandit.
As for the person who sent the anonymous email, give your self an uppercut, $120,000 !!!!. what is the world coming to small dogs geting thrown into traffis large sums of money refused.


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Pseudonymn
21st Jun 2001, 15:52
I don't agree with any animal suffering whatever the form it takes but I had to add this here....


What do you call a fly without Wings?

A Walk

For those that think throwing "Wanky" dogs into traffic is funny, be reminded of Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created...

This was done for us to enjoy and admire, not to injure, maim or kill.

Personal rant. I'll climb back down off my dunny lid now...

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dingducky
21st Jun 2001, 16:22
i don't find it funny to hear of someones treasured pet being murdered :mad: http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif :mad:

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Flap Sup
21st Jun 2001, 17:42
>>> Dog lovers and others had donated $120,000 to find Leo's killer ... <<<
Thats the most scary of this particular story. Only in America....
Punish the killer ?? But ofcourse, no doubt about it.
rgds FS

TOGA_Babe
21st Jun 2001, 18:30
no laughter here.

4 months ago one of my beloved pets was killed instantly after being hit by a car, this is not something that you get over quickly and my heart goes out to the lady who saw Leo killed. It is heartless and weak, I think anyone who injures another being whether it be two, four or eight legged should be ashamed. and no punishment is strong enough. Isn't there enough cruelty in this sorry world. :mad:

Oh and by the way....how about we free the bears, another story that breaks my heart, maybe the money put forward for the capture of Leos killer could be better served in this kind of quest. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif

Just an idea.

Whirlybird
21st Jun 2001, 20:34
ickle,

You may not particularly like dogs, which is fair enough. But I'd just like to ask you - do you have anyone, any being, who you really care about? For example, wife, girlfriend, child, mother, father, brother sister, good friend? If so, how would you feel if somone were to pick them up out of your car and throw them into traffic, and you saw them killed? Just think about that for a minute, before you next post something like this.

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Iceolareanic
21st Jun 2001, 20:51
ickle, that is an awful story. That dog was like a child to it's owner. The madman deserves everything he gets in jail.

trolleydollylover, you're just as bad as ickle. Thats a terribly cruel statement about smaller dogs. They are equally and especially loved by their owners, they are a part of the family they live in, along with the kids.

Awful, truely terrible story. Brings tears to my eyes.

JBravo
22nd Jun 2001, 01:21
If I look at all the previous posts, my post will not be liked by you all.
I didn't laugh about it. But it wasn't because I'm a doglover. I do like dogs, but when people donate more money to find a dogkiller than for finding missing childs, I wonder what is going on with this world. And what is going on with you people that you are comparing dogs with your own wife or child or mother? Surely, you can love a dog just like your own child. But in my eyes a dogs life can never be compared with a human life. You eat meat, but get very angry if a dog is killed. Wake up.....

I truly believe this man should be punished, but don't treat him worse than a child-molester.

Velvet
22nd Jun 2001, 02:06
JBravo, I think you've missed the point behind most of the posts. I found the casual cruelty of tossing a dog into traffic not a subject for humour. I realise that Ickle probably found humour in the disparity, rather than the act.

Someone who is cruel to animals is far more likely to be cruel to children and others.

As one who has lost a child and a dog I agree there is no comparison, but should I just dismiss the dog's death because it is less valued in the scheme of things.

Can one not have compassion for all living things, does it have to be limited or rationed.

Brad737
22nd Jun 2001, 02:28
This guy looked like a real wuss. When I first read the story I felt like stringing the SOB up as well, I glad they caught him. He didn't just kick or slap this creature,that I could buy. He threw it into traffic with the express purpose of killing it in front of it's owner as some sick form of punishment for her rear-ending him.

monkey boy
22nd Jun 2001, 02:39
I'm appalled that anyone could think of such a thing, let alone find it funny.

Any of you who would / could / have considered such a thing, of who find this sort of thing funny, I have an invitation for you all.

Come and sit in the open boot of my car while I drive it at speeds in excess of the national speed limit, and at a random point, a large spring will eject you onto the asphalt.

Myself, and a few others may find some entertainment in watching you get worn away by the road, but I doubt it somehow.

Grow up

Arm out the window
22nd Jun 2001, 03:18
TOGA_Babe,

You are being very discriminatory against insects, millipedes, mites and many crustaceans with your call for kindness to 2, 4 or 8 legged creatures.

Shame, shame, shame!

golden_hands
22nd Jun 2001, 03:19
Disgusting story that is. A dog is not the same as a human, that doesn't mean it has to be treated like a piece of garbage. It might be of more value than some humans (killers rapists etc), certainly to the owner.

However the Americans wouldn't be Americans if they didn't overreacted and spend $120.000 on finding the a$$hole. I wonder if their policeforce is so bad that without this money they could not have found the criminal.

Eh dingducky, I dont find it funny to hear of someones treasured murderer being petted! Whip em!!! ;)

Celtic Emerald
22nd Jun 2001, 11:12
You think that's bad! I just read about some oul bitch who put her cat in the microvave & fried him :mad:

Hope the oul witch fries in hell :mad:

Emerald

tony draper
22nd Jun 2001, 11:30
I know a very prim and proper world wise old lady who took direct action when a low life kicked her dog, on with her coat and off to a very dangerous watering hole, frequented by thugs and scumbags, there she hired two local hard cases for a couple of hundred each.
Dog kicker got the living sh*t kicked out of him,
She is regarded with some awe round these parts. :)

Slasher
22nd Jun 2001, 12:40
As some of you know I have a pet cat (or rather he adopted me as his pet!). Hes a common Ha Noi street thug, loan shark, and avowed communist. His name is Porky. Hes the size of a horse and just as strong as one too. Hes called "Porky" because he has a sexual preferance for pigs (and Im not joking!). And hes one mean nasty son-of-a-bitch too if you p!ss him off.
I wouldnt dare throw Porky in front of a car. If it was you who was unluckey enough to run over him youd probabley find you front tyres clawed to bits and the cars rear end eaten alive. Next hed probabley start eating your head!
But seriousley I do like little animals (and some big ones too!). I get the quiet sh!ts when they are killed for no reason like that. Unless there is a valid and clear purpose involved like those in Nature (for example animals killed in defence, for food, etc), its a bloodey crime in my book.
And yep I agree that human life is becoming less valuable to its own species. How many of those useless bloodey tree-huggers have you seen actualy cast a tear when a family gets burnt alive in their own home by a bushfire, because the tree-huggers wouldnt let them cut any surounding trees down in the first place? :mad:

Grainger
22nd Jun 2001, 20:16
How sad that attitudes like JBravo's still persist.

It's not about whose life is more valuable but whether we should tolerate cruelty to anyone. If we have learned nothing else over the last century, I would at least hope that we could have got beyond "we are better/more important/more valued than you are".

Animals are unable to speak for themselves, unable to defend themselves - so someone must speak up for them. Since we humans have the ability to do great harm, it is our responsibility to police ourselves.

As for human life being valued above other life forms - we share this planet with everyone else. With six billion of the bastards already, the last thing the planet needs is more humans.

And what has religion to say on the matter? Cruelty is not one of the seven deadly sins, nor is it mentioned in the Ten Commandments. Christianity remains firmly rooted in human values. Some of the others do a little better, some a lot worse.

No, I'm not a veggie or a tree-hugger - I just think it's time we put things in perspective.

Winston Smith
22nd Jun 2001, 21:02
Grainger:

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">With six billion of the bastards already, the last thing the planet needs is more humans.</font>

Oh my god, how dare you be such an intolerant bigot? As a human being, I feel cruelly discriminated against by your insensitive statements! Why do you have to hate us all? Only a human-rights tribunal is going to stop you from further hurting our feelings! I'll beg the United Nations to send a peace-keeping force to your front lawn!

To all the others: Please add yourselves to my online-petition to "Just Say No To Anti-Homo-Sapiensism!":

1. Winston Smith
2. ...
3. ..
4. .

I'm off now to hold a candle light vigil... http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif [leaving with a genuinely shocked and worried face.]

Tricky Woo
22nd Jun 2001, 23:18
Whoops, wrong thread. I'll be off then. Yep...

CaptSensible
23rd Jun 2001, 07:03
Dog owner, McBurnett
Dog murderer, Burnett!

Is that a mistake? Or a [email protected]' weeeird coincidence?

Mergatroid Alowishus
24th Jun 2001, 05:27
Monkey Boy, I have to say, that is one of the funniest things I have read at this website.

Chocksaway!
24th Jun 2001, 07:23
Getting all upset over a frigging poodle that got splatted in the US. Who gives a toss when there are millions suffering all over the world. $120,000 could save a lot of human lives!!

Grainger
24th Jun 2001, 18:54
Six billion and counting ...

Winston Smith
24th Jun 2001, 21:45
Grainger, you fiendish, satanical person:


:mad: S T O P T H E H A T E ! ! ! :mad:

Winston Smith
27th Jun 2001, 16:47
Nothing new on this thread?

That Bulger debate is becoming mightily boring...

Grainger
27th Jun 2001, 18:27
Winst:

Agreed. I bugged out of that one a few days ago, 'cos nothing new was being said.

So: whaddya wanna talk about ?

Winston Smith
27th Jun 2001, 19:24
Grainger,

still not ashamed for hurting our feelings? Maybe a bit of sensitivity training would help to make you a more tolerant person!

Grainger
27th Jun 2001, 20:45
Ha ha !

I don't hate 'em Winst - just think theres too damn many :)

ExSimGuy
27th Jun 2001, 20:54
Grainger,

Can U pls send some out here - where I live there's too many semi-wild catz :mad:

Can't lite up the Barbie without eyes pering thru the hedges and waiting for it to be unattended so they can filch the grub. One day one had a half shoulder of lamb away while "she" was fixing the salad and I was refreshing the glasses :mad: :mad:

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Winston Smith
27th Jun 2001, 21:07
Hey ExSimGuy,

please read the second page! Grainger was talking about humans, not dogs!

Grainger
27th Jun 2001, 21:23
Ha ha ha !!!

ROFLMAO :) :) :)

Thanks Winst, mate ! Good to have you on my side !

[This message has been edited by Grainger (edited 27 June 2001).]

Winston Smith
28th Jun 2001, 00:05
┐ROFLMAO? http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif

Not exactly on your side; I just wanted to alert ExSimGuy to the fact that you are a dangerous, bigoted hater of human-kind!

I have already contacted Mary Robertson, Kofi Annan, Jimmy Carter and John Paul II. Hopefully they will launch a peace initiative to save you and us from your poisonous hatred.

Grainger
28th Jun 2001, 00:54
Cor what a sheltered upbringing you must have had !

Go to www.roflmao.co.uk (http://www.roflmao.co.uk) and all will be revealed.

But for gawd's sake don't try the .com version http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif. You have been warned!

Winston Smith
28th Jun 2001, 03:58
Sorry, Grainger,

I finally see you are probably one of the few decent ( :) ) people around. Especially this American Christian Studies website you mentioned was very informative in my opinion and a great source for further research. I think old_cross_bound and Iceolareanic will find it to be of interest.

Iceolareanic
16th Jul 2001, 04:03
I was recently wondering what sentence was given in this case. After searching through CNN.com, I found the news of the conviction.

The man who threw the dog has been sentenced to three years in jail. This is the maximum sentence for cruelty to animals. Despite the horrible nature of what happened to the dog, I think three years is quite a long time. But the case has public appeal and Americans seem to love to have a villan to hate, and he gave them one.

[ 15 July 2001: Message edited by: Iceolareanic ]

Grainger
16th Jul 2001, 13:08
Well, I believe in the punishment to fit the crime so if you think about it, he's got off very lightly...

[ 16 July 2001: Message edited by: Grainger ]

Tartan Gannet
16th Jul 2001, 14:05
Grainger, worry ye not! He may only have got 3 years, but if what I have read and seen on documentaries of American Prisons and the types incarcerated therein he is in for a very interesting time indeed when he can fully consider the consequencies of his actions. Im sure that after 3 years he will fully understand the expression "shower love". I hope he savours all of the 3 years! :D

Winston Smith, what a ....(the rest, whilst an honest opinion edited out by TG on grounds of taste and decency) Suffice it to say, I DONT like your type mate. Nuff said!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[ 16 July 2001: Message edited by: Tartan Gannet ]

Grainger
16th Jul 2001, 16:49
Thanks, TG !

The thought of Burnett being bent over by 'big Doris' has certainly cheered me up some !

Winston Smith
16th Jul 2001, 17:16
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Tartan Gannet,

WHAT ON EARTH DID I DO?

Please read the whole thread. I just made a few "tongue-in-cheek" posts after Grainger said that humans were sort of a problem on this planet.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Grainger
16th Jul 2001, 18:28
"tongue-in-cheek" is certainly how I took it and I did sort of ask for it too.

There is an important point to be made here but I'll save it for another thread.

We may not always agree but I'm not unhappy with any of the exchange we've had here.

Winston Smith
22nd Jul 2001, 03:40
Grainger,

thanks for your reassuring post.

However, I'm STILL completely in the dark about TG's motives for attacking me (with words apparently so harsh that he saw fit to edit them out), as he didn't deign to give any explanation.

P.S.: Now what IS that "important point"?

Grainger
22nd Jul 2001, 16:42
Winst:

I do have a serious point to make about overpopulation - but as the evolution vs creation and the Soul Theory are still going full blast, plus I'm going to be away for a week or so in a few day's time, now isn't the time to get started on that.

As they say, standby...

Gog
22nd Jul 2001, 18:06
So throwing a dog into oncomming traffic and killing it instantly is more cruel than loading animals on a truck,tranporting them for hours ,penning them for a few hours,driving down the race and then driving a steel pin through their brain.
Hmmmm.
Its not healthy to be so disjointed from from your food source.

Grainger
23rd Jul 2001, 02:31
Er because it was done for fun, out of spite, for a joke etc. rather than as a humane way to produce food us humans being omnivores and all.

Anyway, since when have you been feasting on doggy steaks ?

Velvet
23rd Jul 2001, 02:38
Sorry Gog, don't understand your point. Why should we not get upset that a dog was killed in such a heartless fashion. Doesn't mean we don't care about the suffering of other animals.

It is those who show little compassion for this dog who are more likely to feel indifferent to the suffering of food animals.

Gog
23rd Jul 2001, 15:25
Just wondering on the definition of cruelty and peoples reaction to it.
I have no problems with people being disturbed by someone killing a dog by throwing it under a car ,I wouldn't like done to mine.
I live out in the country and I am always aware that if my dog steps out of line with my neibours animals ,punishment will be permanent with what ever means they have available,including bowling it with a vehicle.

It was a nasty callous act,but was it so much more cruel to the dog than other legal means of killing other animals,pests eg. slaughterhouse, poisoning,shooting ,that a prison term is required.
Indeed though I do agree he should be punished for his lack of self control
Does the method make it cruel or is it the reason or lack of it, for the act that makes it so ?

To me, cruelty is the act of causing undue suffering to an animal eg. starving or gut shooting it and letting it crawl off and die of blood poisoning etc instead of a quick death.
Not the reason behind killing it.

My 2 cents.

Grainger
23rd Jul 2001, 15:42
? Dog was not a 'pest', neither did it 'step out of line' :confused:

Punishment was for an unspeakable act. Whether you choose to describe it as 'cruel' or not it was still a horrible thing to do. :mad:

[ 23 July 2001: Message edited by: Grainger ]