Doing It Your Own Way (Self-Funded)

[Big_Mach]

I'm 24, have 80 hours experience (UAS) but haven't flown for 18m. I've managed to save £18k & want to go down the ATPL route

I presume my first stop is a PPL – with a bit of hour building, IMC & night I should get up to the 150h mark for around £5k?. I then have the modular option available, but...

...how does a modular course work? Are you tied to one company or can you chop & change for different parts of the syllabus (e.g. go flying for part of it in, say, USA)? Can you request to fly only on certain days or at certain hours? And what about groundschool?

Otherwise, there are companies claiming to sponsor you (e.g. CTC (http://www.ctc-mcalpine.com) / Malagus (http://www.malagus.com) ) but you pay them £60k+ - are there others? (Britannia and FlyBe don’t seem to be active at the moment).

An integrated course looks like it will cost £50k+ or a modular approach about £30k+ - do these prices sound about right? At the end of that I will have a fATPL but the general consensus seems to be pay more money to get a line rating (£15k+?)

So, without igniting the modular vs integrated debate, it seems to me the best option is to go modular and do line training costing about the same as a 'sponsorship' scheme; you have expereince on type but not a job at the end. Is that a fair assessment?

The companies that seem to get most frequently mentioned are OATS (http://www.oxfordaviation.net) and CabAir based at Cranfield (http://www.ccat.org.uk/) or Bournemouth (http://www.eptauk.com/home.php). Is this just because they are the biggest or are there other companies out there – please link to them (for example I’ve just come across Stapleford (http://www.flysfc.com/))

Finally could someone tell me about CTC ATP scheme?

Much appreciated

[ali1]

Hi Big-Mach,


CTC helps low hours guys get their first airline job. I am in the process of applying and this is what I make of it: (correct me if I am wrong.)


1) You fill out an application form which is a pass or fail! If successful you go to stage 2.

2) Group excersises, theory test, maths test.

3) FOllowing that, if successful:- 2 on 1 interview more group exercise and tests.

4) Then once through all that, part with 5.5 grand and do an MCC and a JOT course. That will last 3 weeks.

5) If you pass the course, go into the pool and wait for them to find you a sponsor airline!!!

Hope that helps mate.

If anyone has gone through the scheme would be interested about what you think and exactly what happens. i.e How long do you wait in the pool?etc


Thanks- Ali1

[Lucifer]

With 80 hours from the UAS, you should be able to do a single flight and get an ATPL providing you covered the nav syllabus while in the UAS. Don't let anyone con you into thinking that you need to do the 45 hours again to get an ATPL - you simply need to do differences with the civvy world and some refresher training, eg radio licence (cheap), square circuits (easier), and some different joins etc.

Plus you can use all those hours that you logged towards your total time for fATPL issue as well. Furthermore, if you have been logging your UAS hours as T/O to Landing, you are entitled to add 5 mins at the start and 5 mins at the end of every sector for taxi time, (or 10% of the total, but that is I think only for former fast-jet convertees?). Also make sure that you include the running change sectors as separate sectors for the increase in the time that you are allowed to log per the CAA. This obviously arises as you are allowed to log time from when the aircraft came under you control, until the engine is switched off and brakes applied in the civilian world, but only flying time in the air is included in the RAF logging system.

Adding IMC and night seem a but of an extravagence to me for the PPL side of things. If I were you I would prove yourself by converting to the PPL, then go straight for the licences rather than doing IMC and night - if my understanding of the current system is correct, then this will all be covered in an ATPL course.

[smaamer]

My dear friends

You have two ways to do it ,Integrated and Modular.

Integrated pay the big bucks through a recommended school or the modular way which is a lot cheaper, with the modular route you can go to any School you want and are not bonded also you can take out time to work if you have to.

My advice to you would be do your PPL in the Uk and find a school which does your PPL and CPL, also look up schools that do the CPL/IR, you can also hour build here, some Companies do hour building as cheap as 65 pounds an hour, I myself have been through this experience and went to alot of trouble to get to where I am.

CTC in the other hand require an PPL before you apply and they bond you to the company.

ALI 1 is talking about if you have a Frozen ATPL already.

Send me a PM IF you require more info.

[witchdoctor]

Hey Lucifer,

Don't confuse the PPL and ATPL - you won't get an ATPL with one flight and 80hrs under your belt old boy!

I wish.;)

Drop us a PM if you're going to the dining in night this year.

WD

[Cookie1978]

80 hours with an APTL..... i wish. I have 113.7 hours (not that im counting) and are half way to CPL

Im from Australia, and over here CPL is 150 or 200 hours depending. What is it in other countries?

When I get my CPL, is it worth going overseas to do ATPL? If so, whats the average (i know it depends on my skill level) time to get ATPL from CPL?

Thanks

[Lucifer]

witchdoctor - I didn't have the two confused, but the advice applies to ensuring the correct hours are logged per CAA rules, and that PPL is not obtained unnecessarily!