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Flight Safety
17th Sep 2001, 11:05
I hope it's Ok to post this in this forum. I also apologize for the long post, but it's interesting reading.

The following article is from the Sept 16th Sunday Times(UK).

London bank used for Bin Laden cash

David Leppard and Michael Sheridan, Peshawar

THE terrorist mastermind blamed by America for carrying out last week's suicide attacks in America is thought by the FBI to have partly financed his propaganda activities through an account at Barclays bank in Notting Hill, west London.

(Photo of Bin Laden, caption) Bin Laden uses an annual income of about $50m to fund his organisation
Photograph: Rex

Bank documents obtained by The Sunday Times show how tens of thousands of pounds were channelled through a Barclays account controlled by the man suspected of leading Osama Bin Laden's operations in Britain.

Bin Laden personally appointed Khalid al-Fawwaz, a Saudi dissident with a family home in north London, to run an organisation ostensibly devoted to war relief work.

But investigators believe the group was a front that allowed Bin Laden to finance and publish fatwas calling for the death of American civilians.

The fatwa - which is a religious instruction or obligation - provided terrorists with the spurious religious justification for last week's suicide attacks that left an estimated 5,000 people dead.

Court documents link Fawwaz to the fatwa and say the original death sentence document was faxed directly to him from Bin Laden in Sudan. They also suggest he may have been directly involved with the terrorist cell that carried out the bombing of the American embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, in 1998, which killed nearly 220 people.

Barclays documents show that Fawwaz was the signatory on the account for the Advice and Reformation Committee, the organisation that British and American officials believe is a Bin Laden front for his terrorist network.

Credit card statements for his Barclaycard show Fawwaz used the account to pay hundreds of pounds for stationery bought from a Huddersfield company apparently to print thousands of copies of one of Bin Laden's fatwas.

Copies of Fawwaz's mobile telephone records show he was in frequent touch with Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, all countries where Bin Laden has growing numbers of supporters.There was also a series of calls to New York and Washington, suggesting that he had links there.

A spokesman for Barclays said the bank was unable to discuss individual accounts: "There is very little we can say. We are fully aware of our legal obligations under various acts such as the money-laundering act and the anti-terrorist act and we are obliged to report any suspicious activities and transactions."

Fawwaz is now in a British prison awaiting the outcome of extradition proceedings to America on charges of conspiring with Bin Laden and others to murder American citizens.

The Barclays account is thought to have formed part of a network of bank accounts and front companies used by Bin Laden to finance or otherwise promote his terror network.

The trail of Bin Laden's "blood money" flows from Sudan and countries such as the United Arab Emirates and Dubai in the Gulf and helps to sustain Islamic fundamentalist groups in cities including Geneva, London and Chicago.

Bin Laden also used the money to build up the Al-Qaeda organisation and a network of Islamic centres and charities that operated throughout the world. As the organisations proliferated, they became increasingly difficult for western intelligence agencies to disentangle and penetrate.

In a 1996 interview, Bin Laden said: "To put it simply, the Bin Laden establishment's aid covers 13 countries, including Albania, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Netherlands, Britain, Romania, Russia, Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and some Gulf countries . . ."

In the Balkans alone, the Islamic centres were thought to be supporting between 4,000 and 6,000 fighters, mostly Arabs.

Bin Laden has used much of his estimated $50m income each year - which comes from his huge personal fortune inherited from his wealthy family - to buy land for training camps in Sudan and Afghanistan.

(Photo of Bank, caption) The trail of Bin Laden leads through Notting Hill, London

In Sudan, he set up two investment companies, Ladin International and Taba Investments, which helped to control and channel much of his fortune, estimated at hundreds of millions of pounds.
A holding company, a construction firm and the Qudurat Transport Company were all set up to provide income to support the increasingly sophisticated enterprise and to provide cover for the procurement of explosives, weapons and chemicals - and for the travel of the group's operatives.

At one point he even bought a travel agency in Peshawar, Pakistan, to organise the travel arrangements for his supporters and a fleet of fishing boats to move his followers around. When he left Sudan for Afghanistan, he and his family and supporters flew in a C-130 transport aircraft that they owned.

His organisations are run along the lines of a multinational corporation, split into several committees, all reporting back to a central council.

These include a military committee that conducts training and buys weapons; a money and business committee that runs all the companies; a fatwa and Islamic study committee; and a media committee that publishes a weekly newspaper about Islam and the holy war.

Bin Laden is also thought to have taken control of at least part of the finances of the Taliban government in Afghanistan, which the West believes has been sheltering him.

The British bank accounts of the Taliban have been frozen as a result of sanctions imposed in 1999. These followed its refusal to hand over Bin Laden after the attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998. One source said that two such accounts were at the National Westminster Bank (now the Royal Bank of Scotland) in London.

Bin Laden has virtually taken over the Taliban militia to make himself the dominant figure in Afghanistan, according to sources with intimate knowledge of the movement. In recent months, Bin Laden is said to have supplanted the Taliban's official leader, Muhammad Omar.

Additional reporting: Nick Fielding and Gareth Walsh

Here is one of the "fatwa", or religous instructions from God that his organization published back in 1998. It's very chilling.

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

World Islamic Front Statement

23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlul Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh


Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed . Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

[b]The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it [EMPHASIS ADDED], in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said: "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: Flight Safety ]

twistedenginestarter
17th Sep 2001, 12:40
I have to say I am suspicious of anyone with a beard.

aged
17th Sep 2001, 13:10
Scary stuff indeed - especially as some folk take it seriously, and will continue to do so. All we do know is that there are no limits to what they will try and do and if you use your imagination, that opens up a wide scope of horror.

BEagle
17th Sep 2001, 13:59
If any of the 5000 or so people still missing after the terorist atrocities of last week were of the Muslim faith, how will the fanatics who committed the crimes attempt to resolve that with their twisted interpretation of Islam? How can any of their equally unbalanced supporters possibly believe that to murder fellow Muslims and other victims indiscriminately would somehow bestow martyrdom upon themselves?

It is imperative that senior members of all Muslim countries arrange for their religious leaders to issue a joint communique making it quite clear that the 'jihad' proposed by these lunatics is a fraudulent misinterpretation of religious teachings and is in no way sanctioned by their faith. Further, that those who raise their hands in action against the innocent will receive not martyrdom but the harshest punishment available under Islamic law.

albatrossuk
17th Sep 2001, 14:16
i find it difficult to reconcile the fact that we allow so many of the ardent supporters of the terror in nyk and around the world to reside here in the uk with apparent immunity.while enjoying all the privilages of democratic society they openly support these atrocities.
put them on a boat and send them back to yemen or afghanistan.i wonder if they would enjoy those regimes in reality...

hometown
17th Sep 2001, 18:15
Bin Laden may have nuclear capability?
Could be just speculation but it is worth a read. Interesting (but long)article in todays Times.
web page (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,248-2001322113,00.html)

Wiley
17th Sep 2001, 18:19
Interesting document, Flight Safety, and thank you for posting it here.

I just have to wonder how Mr Bin Liner accommodates American Muslims (of whom there are quite a few) in his fatwa?

IB
17th Sep 2001, 19:38
Osama not so stupid. Why?
1) No claims of responsibility. So he cant be responsible.(Even with his finger on the trigger, all he has to do is deny and 1 billion will belief)
2)US strikes, muslims killed.
3) Time for Jihad. With the invisible enemy in every country's backyard in the world, presto! Long live King Osama.

Drop and Stop
17th Sep 2001, 19:51
RUSSIA: Environmentalist Maintains That 'Portable Nukes' Are Missing (http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/nov/russia.html) Written in 1997.
Do "backpack" nuclear weapons exist? (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/suitcase/comments.html)

righto.... I'm off to hide under me bed!

Tug
17th Sep 2001, 19:51
With regard to the lunatics who live here in the UK, who see the recent devestation in the USA as something to celebrate; the Prime Minister has declared war on terrorism and the people who support it. Will this allow the Authorities the right to arrest and execute those citizens who choose to support the "enemy cause" as traitors. Can there be firing squads at dawn in the weeks to come? I really really hope so.null :mad: :D

Katy
17th Sep 2001, 20:32
How will the ''developed" world ever reach a state of reconciliation in the 21st century AD with terrorists whose philosophy and beliefs are more akin to the 21st century BC.

No amount of rhetoric nor negotiation will influence the minds of people who are, by definition, fanatics and therefore blind in their faith.

I had hoped that our generation would avoid a serious world conflict. For the first time in my life I am not so sure.

The trouble is that in a multi-cultural society you do not know for sure where the 'enemy' is. I sincerely hope that the integration that has taken place during my adult life is not set back irrevocably by the atrocities witnessed during the past week.

Sometimes you feel that a reply is required to a subject raised on PPruNe. For the first time I feel that words are not enough.

compressor stall
18th Sep 2001, 19:38
My emerging view on why:

Bin Laden is a terrorist with only a partial cause. Like any despot, he is looking for a way to create an army under him.

At the moment, Islam is just a belief - it is not fighting a strong ideological war on any enemy. There is no definitive leader of the Islam movement.

Bin Laden attackes the US, knowing that they will retaliate. For the US to retaliate is going to cost innocent lives in the Middle East, and raise the ire of many people there.

Bin Laden exploits it as a West vs Islam war. Many people of the Islamic faith will move against the West's "atrocities" and fall under the leadership of B.L. in their never ending campaign of terror.

The religious faith in all this is immaterial. It could be Jedi-ism for all it matters, the principle is the same.

The bombing of the WTC was an attempt to create an enemy for BL to muster people under him.

Velvet
19th Sep 2001, 00:29
Does that include all the children Tug, and all the terrorists and supporters (children also) both here and in Northern Ireland, who consider themselves part of the UK.

For some schoolchildren in England cheered when they heard of the attack, so I read.

Where would you draw the line ;(


No, I don't support Islam, any religion that spawns monsters, no matter how much it claims to talk of peace, has to examine whether the interpretation and teaching is somehow wrong.

It should not be left to Pakistan to bring pressure to bear on Afghanistan - the Leaders of all the Islamic Nations should join together and stand firm against what is happening in the name of their religion. If they stand back and allow this to go unpunished, they cannot avoid responsiblity for these acts.

This does not mean that retaliation on innocent muslims in this country and America are justified - many are just as horrified as we at the actions of those who use religion for their own ends. What benefit is there in fire-bombing a mosque, in crippling a taxi-driver, in spitting at children.

American was attacked, not because of its foreign policy nor its support for Israel, but because it stands for everything they hate - freedom, democracy, tolerance for all races, colours, creeds and religions. Of course, it doesn't get it right every time, why would it - the very nature of freedom means that you are 'free to speak and act'.

Paterbrat
20th Sep 2001, 13:04
I do think that there is one very clear message being sent to the world right now. That message is that this was a step too far. For up to this moment terrorist and extremist organisations worldwide have used indiscriminate violence as a weapon. They have utilised the precious freedoms and protectections that society has afforded its citizens to hide amongst us while they plot to tear down, maim kill and destroy. The world must unite and hunt down those extremist organisations who have banded together, the world must send a message to those extremist countries that harbour and nourish such people. The message is that it will no longer be tolerated, that these organisations must be rooted out and destroyed for they have forfeited their right to live amongst us. We must respond to their open declaration of war on the ordinary citizen who simply goes about his daily business, and lives according the rules we have evolved to keep order amongst us however imperfect those rules and however imperfectly we accomplish those goals for to do otherwise is anarchy chaos and despotism.
Ousama Bi Ladin is one large example of the extremists and Afghanistan and the Taliban a country who has chosen to be his refuge. There are others but I think they may well be a starting place in the process which is about to begin unfolding

[ 20 September 2001: Message edited by: Paterbrat ]

Celtic Emerald
20th Sep 2001, 15:36
Ya's will be glad to know he had something in common with all you lot. He used to be a real aviation enthusiast :D

There I just KNOW I've made all of your's days. If you want any other tit bits of totally useless information just ask & I'll willingly oblige ;)

Emerald

Paterbrat
21st Sep 2001, 11:29
Cummon Celtic Emerald, you can do better than that. His father Mohammed Bin Ladin was the first Saudi business man to have a private plane. His father was killed in a plane accident. His family fleet at one time inclided a DH125, and F27, a Navaho, a Piper Cub that a number of the brothers learned to fly on untill one ground looped it and big brother banned them from using it; a Mitsubishi MU2. They have had a Challenger, a Hawker 800. The majority of their pilots have been ex PAF. His eldest brother Salim was also killed in a microlight accident.
More CE we want more,

AA SLF
21st Sep 2001, 12:06
Thank You Velvet and Peterbrat for your well reasoned responses from this American. Velvet - you are right, we don't always get it "right", but we do try.

Peterbrat - agreed it is "a step too far".

Velvet - I don't believe we (America) are going after any "kids" in this war against terrorism unless those kids are aiding/abetting the terrorists. If they are - then so be it.

Regards Northern Ireland and their troubles - any "person living in America" who is aiding terrorists on either side of that conflict are NOT true Americans, and if they say they are then they are outright LIARS! They, too, are simply terrorists LIVING in America, even if they were born here.

dAAvid -

Celtic Emerald
21st Sep 2001, 20:27
I'm sorry Peterprat

But I've only heard a small bit down the grapevine from someone who is a close friend of a person who knew Bin Laden many years ago when he was a medical student. I know he used to fly to Cairo everyday, presumable he was training as a doctor there. They had ropes of money so taking a plane everyday was like taking a bus for us. He used to get very excited about seeing different types of medical operations when he was training but he never qualified as a doctor.
This person was more involved with Bin Ladens mother than with him but I don't want to give anymore away but if I hear anymore exciting tit bits I promise I'll tell you.

Oh she did say she found young Osama a lovely fella. Something obviously went drastically wrong in the intervening years.

Emerald

Paterbrat
22nd Sep 2001, 02:05
My source said that Ousam was sent with a bunch of his brother to Syria to school, another bunch went to Egypt, another to Lebanon, there were about sixty brothers all told give or take a few, no-one counted the girls. Apparently the teacher he had there was pretty fundamentalist and had a major impact on his life. He was a bit strange when he came back, in terms of strict observation of the Koran, including it's strictures on women. He went on to be a real oddball in the family a real religious zealot and is obviously convinced that he is blessed amongst men with the only true interpretation of Allah's word. Probably actualy thinks that he is the third foretold prophet. In short a very dangerous individual who thinks he alone is right. History has suffered a fair few of those, Ghengis Khan, Hitler,Idi Amin, Saddam, Bokasa, Bob Mugabe to name but a few.
The family has always been big into aviation, more is the pity for us all now because he certainly has had an impact on it.
May he return swiftly to his maker for he is being a bit of a pain in the .rse down here.

mutt
22nd Sep 2001, 08:23
Paterbrat,

Don't forgot about the single engined AeroCommander, the Citation Jet1 or the Global Express which was ordered and (I believe) cancelled. Or the fact that Salim could play a pretty mean guitar and the two surviving brothers are incredibly nice people.

I guess that while all of us can pick our friends, none of us can pick our family.

Mutt.

[ 22 September 2001: Message edited by: mutt ]

Whirlybird
22nd Sep 2001, 15:16
Islam doesn't have anything to do with this. Religion has long been used an an EXCUSE for murder - read any history book. And I'm not sure there's much to be gained from trying to understand the reasoning of madmen either. People cheering and supporting them? Horrific, yes, but there's a huge gulf between saying something and doing it. Anyone here never said they'd like to kill someone? How many actually done so?

Paterbrat
24th Sep 2001, 02:04
Absolutely spot on Mutt, I forgot those, actualy Bakr did get and use the Challenger for a while.
Salim could indeed play the guitar, and had a great number of very nice brothers, most of whom deplored Ousama's attitudes and beliefs which have cost the family dearly.
Salim unfortunately tended to the arrogant and thoughtless, his piloting judgement often somewhat flawed. Taking off into power lines which have just been pointed out to you, and you have been advised against trying to clear, is generaly not considered smart and in this case the point proved terminaly.
As you might gather I was not a great fan of his or his flying ability which I did witness, but he certainly was not an evil, or bad man which I do think Ousama undoubtedly is.

mutt
24th Sep 2001, 08:54
Paterbrat

I'm not going to ask how long you have lived in the Magic Kingdom, but I believe that I was still a child when Salim crashed :) :)

Mutt

Diesel8
24th Sep 2001, 11:11
The only interesting news I want to read about OBL is that he is: DEAD.

Paterbrat
25th Sep 2001, 06:07
Mutt, a long time, got a fright when I started counting. Must mean I have a year or two on you then?

And to that toe twinkling, straight armed, dervish twirling peridot boglady, it was a hit!! a palpable hit. The lightest pink of a rapier that I almost missed, only my frieds call me peterprat. I appologise for the late riposte with my clumsy blackthorn cudgel.

[ 25 September 2001: Message edited by: Paterbrat ]