Lying On Form

[dirkdigler007]

Without a doubt im going to get lashed out of it for this topic but its something thats worrying me, Ive performed a search but most topics dont go into enough detail.

I have mild asthma which is triggered by an allergy to dust, I have never had an attack but still use a steroid inhaler . When doing my class 2 medical for the PPL the examiner was troubled when I ticked the "history of asthma box", when I told him it was very mild, he told me just not to mention it. The trouble now is, I want to do my Class 1 medical but dont know whether I should mention the asthma, my lung functions are fine and ive done pretty well in my last breathing test so should I just lie on the form? or will they check my med records with my GP?

I would appreciate any feedback.

[Nil further]

If you are planning to use your Class One for commercial purposes and it transpires at a later date that you have lied on the form (which it almost certainly will) you are guilty of fraud....... a criminal offence .

I had a similar problem many years ago with a family history of Epilepsy and had a the same conversation with the AME . Its better to get it sorted at the start before you go spending big bucks or you get into trouble with the CAA or the law.

Good Luck
NF

[Pilot16]

dirkdigler007,

I have Asthma, and have had it since I was two. I did not lie, and told on the form streight about my Asthma. My asthma is very controlled and only triggered by hard exercise.

The AME only asked about what kind of inhaler i take. It seemed that my asthma was of little or no hindrence.

However I was failed the Class 1 due to something else, but not my asthma.

I would advise you not to lie as well.

-All the best :ok:

P16

[dirkdigler007]

thanks for the advice.
Would it not be too late though to tell them about my asthma as it wasnt mentioned on my class 2 medical?

[jonathang]

Definitely recommend you tell the truth.
I had mild asthma when I was young ( 7-12 ).
I don't even require the yearly peak flow test for Class 1 Renewal.
The history doesn't seem to concern them just your current health.

Many children are miss-diagnosed with Asthma at an early age.

I was honest with both the RAF and the CAA and it paid off in both cases.

Additionally I do know of someone who did lie and was found out. They stripped the Class 1 of him even though the problem did not prevent a renewal.


Good Luck

P.s. if the answer is "NO," Appeal it, this is when telling the truth pays off.

[Northern Chique]

If you are required to daily medicate to control, here that is not mild asthma, just well controlled asthma if you havent had an attack for a long time. Any mild attacks requiring use of medication of late?

Have you seen an asthma specialist lately. Might be worth paying a visit to see how well your body is coping. As for dust... there is usually lots on the flight deck! Not being discouraging, but one would hope that the doctor you saw doesn't make a habit of ticking medicals okay, when there is something amis, albiet slight...

Its not my place to question the Drs thought processes as I dont know him or your history. But Ive seen a slight heart murmur walk out, mis-diagnosed as "just getting on a bit", and have a fatal infarct getting out of the cockpit 3 hours later (no stress VFR non CTA flight). The passengers tried to revive him. Drastic story I know, and rare, but the Dr thought he would sign him out anyway, without doing the ECG even though it was required as the irregular pulse it would have shown may raise some eyebrows back in CASA medical office. That Dr has since retired.

Its not the diagnosis in this case that is at fault, but the lies will bite! In my humble opinion you were sufficiently worried to ask on this forum for advice, so recommend the following - talk to the asthma specialist and another aviation Dr, take your report from him back to the CAA and get it sorted..... you dont want to loose a perfectly good job over a little lie!

[QDMQDMQDM]

Ive seen a slight heart murmur walk out, mis-diagnosed as "just getting on a bit", and have a fatal infarct getting out of the cockpit 3 hours later

It is more than possible to have a complete heart check-up and investigations with a cardiologist, get a 100% all clear, and then drop dead outside the consulting room door from a heart attack, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions here.

QDM

[sss]

best avoid missing things out, could end up with a spell at her majesty's pleasure

[redsnail]

QDM,
I doubt it but NC wrote that the ECG wasn't done. Hence the dodgy ticker wasn't really checked properly.

[gingernut]

Dirkdigler, I wouldn't advocate "lying" on the form. It sounds like that there are plenty of competent, safe pilots flying commercially, with this condition.

You may like to explore your original diagnosis.......who told you that it was asthma, and why, what reasoning did they use? Has it been confirmed by objective tests ?

Your doc. may think that you are a bit of a pest, but it may be important to your future. Perhaps he could be persuaded to re-examine the original diagnosis, and, in the abscence of objective indicators, "re-label" you as having, say occasional wheezing. Just a thought, don't tell him I suggested it !

As regards the power of medical examinations in predicting sudden mortality----I hate to tell you, medicine's not that good !