SIA cadet pilot (Merged - Again!).

[jo_bac]

i recently applied for the post of cadet pilot but was rejected as i have only 4 'O' level credits even though i got a diploma.

i understand that there are some guys who are pursuing their 'frozen' ATPL from overseas as a self funded student but would have to retake their 'O' levels when they get back before seeking employment either because they do not meet the required 5 credits or do not have the required grades for certain subjects.

would i be considered for the post of cadet pilot if i were to retake my 'O' levels and obtain 5 credits?
i do not have an ATPL.

Pls help

thanks

[donaldstan]

u mean u were told by SIA that u r rejected becos of O-Level result? firstly, i'm surprised that they wil tel u tat u r not accepted. i've applied for more than a month but no news at all. secondly, i really have no idea why O-Level is more important that a degree/diploma.

but anyway, i cant comment cause i'm still waiting miserably for a reply from them. hopefully, they WILL reply me whether or not i'm accepted.

cheers and all the best.. ;)

[satumare]

Guys, ''O'' Level IS indeed more important than a degree or diploma as it will gauge your aptitude and also to a certain level of attitude of what you are capable of.
Taking 'O'level on normal time streamlined with your age and normal school schedule and passing it well in one sitting shows basically whether you're intelligent enough and also says a lot about your attitude for time management. Whilst taking a degree or diploma is like you can afford what you can afford on a minimal entry reqiurement in this age of Commercially driven institute of higher learning.
Having said that,with a very good 'O'level and a degree will definitely put one on a higher chances of being selected.

[southernmtn]

For flying, "O"-level credits are required in English Language, Mathematics and a science subject (like, Gen Science, Physics or Chemistry, but Biology does not count).

So, you may have a Doctorate in History or Geography or some Business Ad; without the required credits in the humble O-levels you will not be accepted.

Those are not the only hurdles one has to overcome.

[donaldstan]

how long will SIA normally take to reply? I'm from Msia, met the criteria for O-Level (SPM), have a degree, applied one month ago, but no reply yet..... :(

[jo_bac]

satumare, u mentioned that "Taking 'O'level on normal time streamlined with your age and normal school schedule and passing it well in one sitting shows basically whether you're intelligent enough and also says a lot about your attitude for time management."

but then guys' with ATPL but have to retake their 'O's aint' doing that on normal time streamlined with their age as well...

therefore, wat are my chances if any, that i'll be accepted into cadet pilot recruitment if i retake my 'O's now?

thanks

[donaldstan]

SIA just asked me to go for an interview!!! any1 knows what will happen? this is the first interview for Cadet Pilot. pls advise. thanks.

any1 knows the recruitment process?

[sq111]

the 5 O levels criteria is set by CAAS, not SIA.

Anyway, SIA Interview in the first round is simple, just ask a few questions about aviation, about yourself, etc. No big deal here.

The tough one is the final interview cum tea party

And... don't waste time and money doing your ATPL elsewhere, the best way is the cadet pilot programme. DOing it via MFA does not guarantee you a job...

[donaldstan]

questions on aviation? I basically do not know much. any sample questions so i can get myself prepared? any book/etc to recommend?

[sq111]

Tell us about yourself...

why you want to be a pilot.

in your opinion, what makes a good pilot.

Why you want to join SIA, not Malaysia airlines?



First round is simple questions like this, maybe you should also understand how a jet engine works.

Remember, they are looking for attitude, if you possess good attitude, you'l easily go thru the first interview. Be humble, address the interviewers as sir or Captain xxx. Likely to be one captain and another officer, can be both Captain though.


Final interview is tougher, but make it thru the first rough first.

[donaldstan]

thanks for the info. if i were to pass the first interview, how long will they take to reply to me again? what's the next step after the interview?

[sq111]

no hard and fast rule, my time was about 3-4 weeks later.

By then, you'll attend the interview in about 1 week, it'll be 2 days affair, first day is just some physcometric tests. 2nd day is situational test in the morning, followed by final interview (with about 6-8 interviewers) and then finally tea party.

[marlin]

Jo bac........your guess is as good as mine.I can't say and I do not know.Sorry

[P.O.M]

sq111 - you have obviously made it through, where abouts are you now and when did you do your time at JKT?

Cheers
P.O.M:ok:

[donaldstan]

thanks, sq111, for the reply.

2 more questions: what's the situational test about? what's involved in the psychometric test? games?

[sq111]

its simple task that you can handle. if you can't even handle, then you may not be suitable to be a pilot.

its not some difficult task, so no worries. In fact I think its best you dun know much about these phase, just concentrate on the 1st interview first.

BTW, I always crash on flight simulator, even those in arcades, but of course I don't crash a B777, so games aren't a good guage of whether can you fly, so don't be bothered about it.

But be prepared lor, international flying means you are away 2/3 of the time, and there are those who don't like it and left their flying careers after their 7 years bond.

Worst if you are on A345, super long flying hours and few sectors under your belt compared to your peers. and of course, most of your life is spend in the air....

LEADERSHIP...

[donaldstan]

thanks for tat again. I think i'm better to concentrate in the 1st interview, like what u said. not sure if i can pass it though.

I sat for the psychomotor test for MAS recently and guess I've failed as I couldn't 'play' the last game. that's y i'm a bit phobia in this kind of test. is there anything u can recommend to me so that i can practise? :)

[sq111]

dun worry, during my time I also think I'll fail the test, but I still make it thru..

no need to do anything, physcomotor is in born, if you cannot even pass physomotor, there is nothing much you can do about it is inborn, not something you can practise.

But then, commercial flying is unlike military flying, you don't need unique physcomotor of military pilots to fly a 777, most normal person should make it.

[winglet_fever]

sq111, i was just reading this..




Professional Pilot Licence

3.13 What qualifications will I need to apply for the initial issue of a Singapore Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL) and Airline Transport Pilot Licence (ATPL)?

i) You must not be less than 18 years old (CPL) and 21 years old (ATPL)

ii) You must pass at least five subjects at the GCE 'O' Level including English Language, Mathematics and a Science subject.

iii) Pass a Singapore Class 1 initial medical with a CAAS DME




notice there isnt anything written about having to pass five credits in one sitting? so is that an add-on by SQ? :8

[limchristopher]

Hi ppl,

Donald, did you get to go for the interview wth SIA yet? or still am waiting for it? Hows your preparation? eveyrthing fine?
ok, keep me updated,

Cheers,
Chris

[landslyde81]

Good day everyone,

I was just wondering on these 2 tests:

-visual acuity eye-test (Snellen's Chart)
-colour vision test (Ishihara)

Do you need to see an eye specialist for these tests or a GP would be sufficient?

Thanks!

[landslyde81]

Good day everyone,

I was just wondering on these 2 tests:

-visual acuity eye-test (Snellen's Chart)
-colour vision test (Ishihara)

Do you need to see an eye specialist for these tests or a GP would be sufficient?

Thanks!

[donaldstan]

Chris,

the interview is in 2 wks' time. i hav no idea how I should prepare. Can advise ah?


landslyde81,

R u goin to the interview in Nikko Hotel KL in April also? I asked SFC regarding the tests. they say any doctor will do. no need go specialist.

[landslyde81]

thanks donald ....all the best for your interview...:cool: :ok:

[Vne98]

Just wondering if anyone knows how i can become a permanent citizen of SI and get in on the cadet program that SIA provides?

Ive got all my licences and training here in Canada and have some family friends living in Singapore right now. If someone can fill me in on the process of getting my paperwork straight that would be a huge help

thnx

[Airman45]

I am surprise you guys are still interested in joining this bull **** airline that does not even treasure the human resources that they have now. Many good men have left, more will follow. Is it because of you suckers that are willing to be taken for a ride that allow SIA to dictate the kind of ****ty terms they are dishing out to their pilots. If you are in for the life style, let me tell you there is nothing much to talk about, it will be worst in the future. It will be worse if you are starting a family because half the time you are not around to be with them. In the past, you will think the monetary returns will be able to offset the times you are not able to spend with them such as weekends, birthdays, anniversaries etc. However, the pay they are going to dish out to you young fellas would never have enticed me to join them years ago. If you are coming in for the money, let me tell you, you are better off working elsewhere. However, I said this putting myself in the position of chaps who are only allow to join after 26 whereby you have got a degree and somehow been established in your present career for a few years. Do find out more before you make the giant step of no returns (literally and monetary). You are actually giving up alot and your freedom too. You will be bonded like 7 yrs after you are make first officer....but let me tell you this..it seem forever!

However, for those true hearted wannabe aviators with flying in their blood, the joy of flying the aircraft is something else. Every landing is different..and exhilerating! If that is what you are looking for.....I advise you to join military flying....

but for young chaps who want to join thinking that airline pilots are glamorous and impressive, by all means do and find out for yourselves....and you will know that is nothing that great after all.......in the end...you will realise that you have all been SUCKERS and taken for a ride by the so-called best airline ! Just like prositutes, you will be used and thrown aside....no doubt you will get paid for being such a good laid.....but is it all worth it???

[Bluntly So]

If you are from nearby countries or from SE Asia ,you will survive . A cadet pilot who is from the West or of that cultural mind set, then he is in for a BIG surprise-- unless he /she is very positive & be willing to give up their individuality and become the sole property of the company-- bow down to them, as its the the way the culture is ,"no sir- yes sir- 3 bags full sir .." he / she will get through. after all they are paying for all the training so you belong to Them!!

If you dare to ask why should I push this button this way ( so you can really understand the reason behind it & learn --you will be Hauled up & be marked as trouble maker..

Depends on how much one is ready to sacrifice by way of personality changes, changing ones thinking to be part of this institution. YOu can have a Phd. but will be treated as a school kid.
Good Luck

[Vne98]

If you are from nearby countries or from SE Asia ,you will survive . A cadet pilot who is from the West or of that cultural mind set, then he is in for a BIG surprise--

Not too sure if that was implied to Canadians specifically or Westerners in general. However, I had the opportunity to stay in Singapore for 3 weeks and I did not notice any 'BIG' surprises infact I was surprised how similar the countries were.

[landslyde81]

Hi Guys,

Need some tips and guidance for the 2nd round of interview (SIA) now that I've got through the first...(thanks to you guys!)

As pointed out by you kind folks earlier, the following stage will cover the 2 ½ hour aptitude test on the first day (which I believe is computer based) and a 3 hour test on the second day.

What can I expect for the aptitude test? I’m sure there is a certain amount of Math involved, but how complex is it going to be? Trigonometry? Or is it just simple calculations (percentage etc etc…)?

How about the 3 hour test on the second day? Is the psychomotor test being slotted in here?

Next will be the final interview and tea party. I reckon there will be lots of technical questions being asked in the final interview as far as aviation is concerned…

And yeah, will there be any group discussions / activities?

Appreciate your kind feedback…

Cheers and Regards…
:ok:

[sq111]

here I am again.....

Aptitude test, simple, no need to be a maths/physics genius. just some memory and logic questions. also some question to test your judgement . no need to ask around, any average person can make it.

the next day, in the morning, you'll be asked to do things like design a airport, build a control tower using lego chips.

then the final interview....

why u want to join SIA
if u are selected, which aircraft u want to fly (if you say B737, then good luck)
Say if u say B744, it may be followed by, how many engines does a 744 has? How many crew?

How does a jet engine works.....


thats about it... then they offer u a job as cadet pilot and pay u peanuts during training and then bond u for 7 years as a first officer

[landslyde81]

Thanks for the info...appreciate it...Cheers!!!:ok:

[limchristopher]

Hi there, can anyone please tell me if one sucessfully pass the first interview, where will the second n third interviews be held? And how long for them to reply back to you for each interviews?? Thanks and please let me know ASAP...

Cheers!!!

[sq111]

my time was 1 month, but that was in Singapore, and it was many years ago. not sure for Malaysia though.

but then, once its up, another 1 month is all they took to tie u down for the next 10 years (2.5yrs to 3 of training, followed by 7 years as FO)

Singapore Airlines, a Great Way to Fly.... for 10 years... :{

[limchristopher]

wow, so it will just take tow months for everything to be completed...SO, are you a captain wth SIA now?

[sq111]

two months if u are lucky, my time got guys wait close to 6 months.

I am :{ , so u think I am a captain???

many years ago, but then any FO will have to serve 7 years or pay the 160k SGD bond. so I mean many years doesn't not mean I am on the left seat... For Non-locals, even longer for command upgrade.

[limchristopher]

wow, so how many years have you been bonded? So, are you telling me tha tyou can quit your job wth SIA once you go for the training? How much does the salary ranges for second office and first officer? What about captains? CAn you please tell me roughly how much is it? And where will they be conduting the flying lessons? I am really grateful for your info. Cheers!

[sq111]

2nd officer is about $2300 Sin plus meal allowance. FOs ranges from $4300 to $5200 plus meal allowance and flight allowance. total expected is about $8000SGD per month.

Bond? Once u are accepted, u need to provide 2 guarantors and u are bonded immediately, altho ur actual bond is 7 years after ur appointment as First Officer.

Training will be conducted in Singapore for the first 6 - 8 months, at Seletar airbase. U'll do all the theory leading to frozen ATPL, plus do about 20 hours of single engine flight, with 20th hr as solo. Then you'll go to Perth (Jandakot) for about 9-11 months for ur multi engine rating, navigation, instrument rating etc.

After this, you'll go to Brisbane (Maroochydore) to do your Learjet course. Its about 3 weeks theory, 3 weeks simulator and followed by 10 sorties, total expected is about 5-6 months. Then you'll go back to Singapore for your fleet conversion course, likely to be B777 or B744, that will be about 4-5 months. then followed by line training as a 2nd officer, which is abt 7-9 months. Then u'll be FO and be tied down for next 7 years.

But understand now is that u are recruited as a trainee with Singapore FLying college, and u'll be placed in any of the SIA group airlines, ie SIA, SIA Cargo, Silkair or Tiger Airways, unlike my time, when u join as SIA and u'll be with SIA. Better check it out, my info like I said was many years ago.

[limchristopher]

Thanks SQ for your info.
I appreciate it a lot. Well, I suppose its still from SIA, but it doesnt matter which airline they put you through, does it? Is it because of the differences in pay for each of the airlines? But just as long as it will fulfill what i have always been wanting to do :) ...

So, are you still a FO now?>How many years have you been a FO? IS it true that foreigners from the east will get a lower pay compare to the west once they get into SIA? How true is this?

Ok, i will keep you updated! Cheers!!!

[sq111]

err well, if u dream of flying a B747, u'll definitely be disappointed with A320. Plus in SIA Cargo, u'll fly cargos without those pretty stewardess, so no chance for hanky panky business :)

The SIA group, or for that matter Asian Airlines do pay according to fleet type, so a B744 pilot earns more than a B737, so fly big means pay big.

Silkair flies regional, so no chance for flights to LA, San Francisco or your fav Australia or whatever. Only interesting part is that u fly more sectors in silkair compared to SIA. Imagine if u are in A345 fleet, you'll do only one take off and landing every 18 hours, so very few sectors under ur belt, but the good thing is, lots of $$$

[limchristopher]

Hmm, ok, so size does matter, eh:) ...ha ha...
Anyway, i cant decide on which one i will be flying with as its really up to them to decide for me...OR can i reject the type of aircraft they want me to fly with?

Hey, its still a long way for me to go..hehe...Btw, hwat is your current position? :)

[limchristopher]

Hi thre,
Did anyone just recently return from SIA first, second or third interview yet? Keep me updated...

Cheers,Chris

[wombob78]

Hi guys, Thanks for the great info, especially to SQ111 :)

I will be having my 1st interview on monday next week with SIA and I hope to be flying in a 777 :) with all the latest technology and glass cockpit.

Pray for me ok guys? Thanks.

wombob78

[wombob78]

Hi SQ111,

in a 777 and 744 boeing plane, how many flight attendants are there in total for each flight?

Thanks.

wombob78

[sq111]

wah lao eh, haven't go for first interview already asking how many flight attendants huh?

If that's what u looking for, then go for A380. Minimum requirement is at least 1 attendent at each door, so count the no. of doors and u get the minimum.

But I see real pretty flight attendents from MAS. SIA, seems to be lesser and lesser :{ :hmm:

Remember Silkair has only some night stop in India, and chances of Hanky panky is minimal... Whereas SIA, plenty of night stop, so many chances huh? :=

Or you can go for A345, so long that they have crew rest beds, so u can have fun even in the air :)

[wombob78]

Hi SQ111, thanks for your quick reply.

By the way, which fleet are u currently flying in?

Can u tell me abit of your experience as a Pilot for SIA?
(ie. Food, welfare, bonuses, allowances, etc.)
and the customers u meet on board (unless you are flying the SIA Cargo).

Thanks.

wombob78

[sq111]

aiyah sensitive lah... this kind of thing, not convenient to disclose. you never know what will happen.

By Singapore Standards, pay is good. By Malaysia Standards, will be excellent. By Western standards, err you can tell from various discussion here. But not difficult to earn more than $150k in other professions nowadays, but as a flight crew, you are away from home 2/3 of the time.

B777 is currently the biggest fleet in SIA. you have B777-200 and B777-200ER and B777-300. More advanced cockpit. But I always love the stick of the Airbus compared to yoke found in Boeing.
B777 won't go London, it is solely flown by B744, so if you are a Arsenal fan, then hope for B744 or A380.

LA lakers fan? hope for B744 or A345. But I am lakers fan... very sad.

Allowance varies from country to country. Best meal allowances is in Japan, but then the costs of meals there are higher.

[wombob78]

ok thanks dude. Will keep that in mind if i get accepted.

wombob78

[scc]

wombob78,

At last I hear from someone who'll be attending the 1st interview. Congrats! Wish i was as lucky as you!

I was just wondering how long did you have to wait from the time you sent your application?? My wait has been almost 2 months now, so i guess chances are my application is a pile of shredded bits now:(

I'm wondering whether i should be a persistent bug and re-apply? Or would that just piss them off? I noticed on the SIA website that they revamped the cadet pilot vacancy page...in a aesthetical sense.

Regards,
SCC

[wombob78]

Hi

It took me 1 month + before they send a reply to me via email.

Yes the new webpage looks more detailed than before for the Cadet programme.

You can try again if you really want to be a pilot.

wombob78

[hopefulpilot]

Hey ppl,
i attended the first interview for SIA at hotel Nikko on 30th june. They asked random questions like why i want to be a pilot, the height a plane flighs in, the speed, what airplanes have i been on before, the type of aircrafts SIA has, how a jet engine works, wat i think a pilot shud posess to be good at his job...
basically thats about it...
So now its kind of been like 3 weeks. Hoping they will get back to me soon...
Do i have to immediately go for the next rounds once they get back to me? What should i be doing to prepare for the next two rounds? Hope this was helpful for those attending the 1st round..

Cheers,
Sudz

[Lithgow]

hopefulpilot

Wow, today is 21 June and you attended an interview on 30 June already?

Would you happen to have some winning lottery numbers for this coming weekend then?

[hopefulpilot]

hehehe:) i meant 30th may. And if i had any clues about lottery tickets, i would keep it n buy a merz :p

[wombob78]

Hi guys, to those who have been selected recently for SIA Cadet Pilot.

How long does it take for SIA to reply to you after your first interview? Will they reply to you even if u don't get accepted?
Is it from email or phone?

Thanks.

wombob78

[sq111]

my time about 3 weeks. it is via mail to your home. The letter will tell u what to do for the 2nd round.

As for rejection, i dunno, for obvious reasons.

[wombob78]

ok Thanks sq111. :)
So i will just be patient and wait for the mail...

wombob78

[Nismo]

Hi there,
I understand that there's a final interview cum tea-party during the cadet pilot interview.Can one apply again if not selected after the final interview? Pls advise.Thanks

cheers

[sq111]

if u have attended the final interview and not selected, no chance to fly for the SIA group anymore.

That's a fact.

[Nismo]

Hi Sq111,
Thanks for ur prompt reply. Does it means if one was not selected after final interview,he will have no chance to become pilot with SQ again? How about getting a foreign Commercial Pilot License with 200hrs on pistons engine? Will it helps?I am very keen on becoming an airline pilot but dare not apply yet because of the consequences if one was not selected after final interview. It's still holding me back somehow.Pls advise.Thanks in advance.

cheers,
Confuse.....

[sq111]

Singaporeans and Malaysians, only way is via the cadet pilot scheme. If you are not selected for final inerview, can try again, its only if u do not make it AFTER the final interview then that's it.

But then u think, the 2.5 to 3 years of training, u can also be asked to go anytime (what they call kenna chop) so just becos u are afraid of rejected doesn't mean anything.

Go ahead if u really like flying. don't let anything hold u back

[Nismo]

Hi SQ111,
Thanks for your prompt reply again.I will heed ur advice and go for the next recruitment perhaps..hehe...in the meantime think of how to conquer my fears too!

cheers

[sq111]

no need to wait lah, just send ur CV now.

Whole process can take quite sometime. what's new anyway.

[Nismo]

Hi SQ111,
You mean one can just apply before any advert. on recruitment? I downloaded the application form already though and what shd I indicate under the source? heheh.....leave it blank or??? Isit essential or can just leave blank?Advise again.Thanks.

cheers

[eng80616]

Hi sq111,

I have cleared my 2nd interview in Feb but was told to wait until Oct for my eyes (went for Lasik 4 mths before the interview) to stabilise before they send me for the medical test. Out of curiousity, does SIA have any requirement for before Lasik eye power (must be below 500 degrees b4 Lasik or something like that).

Thanks!

[sq111]

i don't think so.

They accept people who has gone for lasik but as u said, need it to be stabalised first.

just wait

[eng80616]

Hi sq111,

Thanks for your prompt reply! Guess the only thing that I can do now is to wait....

Anyway, do you know what is the average attrition rates (kenna chopped) for cadet pilots?

Best wishes

[sq111]

chopping rate varies.

I've seen batches with 60% chopped. But there are those high quality ones where 100% make it.

don't bother abt chopping, if u can, u can.

But even when qualified as FO, you may not be spared the chop, SQ6 is one eg, plus there are those who fail their medical or base check, then same thing, out u go..., even if u are captain.

There are even cases where cadets got chopped during OBS, ie not even training yet. eg, if u show signs of seasickness during sailing at OBS, good luck.

[eng80616]

Hi sq111,

U mean one can still get chopped when one becomes a FO or Captain? Sounds scary.... Besides due to medical grounds, what other reasons are there to chop a FO or Captain?

2 of my friends have also applied for cadet pilot, they have cleared the interview and medical tests in March, however, up to now they have not been called up to commence training. Do you know the reason why? Normally, how long is it between the medical test and commencement of training?

Once again, thank you very much for answering my questions. :D

[landslyde81]

Hi SQ111,

How long is the OBS? n wat kinda activities do they have? Thanks in advance...

Regards.

[SIA300]

eng80616
U mean one can still get chopped when one becomes a FO or Captain? Sounds scary.... Besides due to medical grounds, what other reasons are there to chop a FO or Captain?

Too many....apart from the obvious like failing your base checks or wilful negligence (e.g. crashing a plane:E), other reasons can include
1. Pissing management off (e.g. parking at your chief pilot's reserved parking lot)
2. Groping a stewardess/steward:hmm:
3. Having an 'attitude' problem
4. Bouncing your cheques
5. Late for work/Missed a flight
6. Not contactable during standby period
7. Flying while intoxicated:ooh:

And the list goes on and on and on......

[SaiToss]

OBS for Singapore Airlines cadets?
Congratulations.. seems like every batch for the rest of the year (or forever) will be going to OBS - Lumut in M'sia.

Where the main activities for 21 facinating weeks will be:
i) burning leeches
ii) burning coils to get rid of mosquitoes
iii) fighting with monkeys that love to just raid your bunk for food
iv) climbing the hundred odd steps up to your bunk daily.

Did I mention the leeches?

You'll make friends for the rest of your life with your course mates anyway.

[hopefulpilot]

I hv been waiting for a while now after the 1st interview for SIA to contact me and they still hvnt. It will be exactly 4 weeks 2moro. Do u think i got rejected? do they let u know if u r rejected or they just dont contact u at all? *worried*

[eng80616]

For my case, the HR person told me that I will be informed in 2 weeks time if I fail my 1st interview. So if u did not hear from them, it is most probably good news & they may be scheduling u for the 2nd interview. I have know of cases where one wait for 2 mths between their 1st & 2nd interview....

[sq111]

SaiToss

You mean now no more OBS at UBIN??? But Lumut not too bad lah, during this period even better. Very dry so no chance for leeches :)

Used to be Pulau Ubin and Lumut alternate. I was "sian" when I was called for OBS Lumut that time. But it doesn't seem too bad, except that you get "monkeys" to mess up your bunk every night. (Instructors there will tell u its monkeys, but everyone knows its them)

Oh yes, thanks for reminding me the daily climb to the bunk.

No mobile phones allowed. very strict discipline esp u are from SIA.

OBS is not for you to shine as an individual. If you outshine others but dun show teamwork and attitude problem, hee hee,good luck to you too. If you seasick, also good luck.

SQ22 just landed at Newark 3 hours ago, completing the world's longest commercial flight. Non-stop from Singapore to New York.

Prestige? Try flying this A345 for 18 hours almost every flight, you'll be bored to death.

[wombob78]

1) Can someone be kind enough to explain to me in detail what does ETOPS stand for and what it does?

2) What is ETOPS for 777 & A345?

3) Also what does RAT stand for and what it does? Does A345 has RAT as well?

Thanks.

wombob78

1) Also, what are some of the major differences of B777 & A345?
(excluding all the external features & engines).

(ie. the way both flies, which has a better turbulent control than the other and why?)

Thanks.

wombob78

[sq111]

ETOPS refers to extended Twin operations.

A345 is not affected by ETOPS cos its 4 engine.

B777 is due to 2 engines. Basically, to operate a twin engine commercial airliner, the nearest suitable landing airport have to be less than 180mins away. This is a backup in case one engine failed.

A345 is not affected cos in event one engine failed, there are 3 more to go.

A345 control is via stick (aka fighter jets) and B777 via yoke (like a steering wheel)

B777 is designed by CAD (computer aided design)

B777 seems to be more efficient

[mooney59]

What is the level of Radiation the crew is sujected to for one WSSS/JFK sector.18hrs will give you a pretty
large dose I guess.

[wombob78]

so if the B777 is governed by 180 mins. ETOPS, does that mean that the B777 can only travel to airport as far as 3 hours away?

Or it only applies when the B777 has one engine failure?

Like the ETOPS 180 mins. only apply whe

[sq111]

No. B777 can travel anywhere the range allows but their flying route must be supported by a suitable landing airport which has to be no more than 180mins away. B777 can still fly 8 hours LHR to JFK (london to new york) so long as there is an suitable landing strip within 180mins. Eg, if the Transatlantic flight of 4 hours has no other island, the B777 technically cannot fly this route cos at the 4 hour mark, the nearest airport (the destination) is 4 hours away. However, if there is an island with a suitable landing strip along the way (say at mid point) then no problem.

Nobody plans an engine failure. So even there is no engine failure on the B777, ETOPS applies. ETOPS is only in event of engine failure, but the aircraft must stick to ETOPS rules even if both engines are running smoothly

[wombob78]

ok cool, thanks dude.


wombob78

[eng80616]

What is the maximum hours that an airline pilot can fly per month?

On average, how many hours does a SIA pilot fly per month?

[BlueEagle]

The maximum number of hours a pilot can fly in any twenty eight day period is determined by the regulating authority that issued the pilots licence and on which register it is assumed that pilot is flying. 100 hours maximum in any twenty eight day period is a common figure set by regulating authorities, it may be varied downwards by pilot/management agreements within an airline.

How many hours each pilot flys will often depend on which fleet they are on. Seventy five to eighty hours is a reasonable average in SIA, allowing for leave etc. with an annual average of approximately eight hundred to eight hundred and fifty hours.

[CDRW]

Hello there - have been watching this thread for a few months - I take it that most of the guys are wannabes or new bees.

Some one was asking what a RAT is - Ram Air Turbine - and is usually restricted to two engine airplanes ( part of the etops stuff). In case a of a dual engine failure (i.e both donkeys have given up the ghost) this turbine ( basically a unit that is a propellor which drops into the airflow) will drive a hydraulic pump that will provide adequate pressure to portions of the flight controls so that control of the aircraft can be maintained - control of the aircraft is quite important!!! Has the RAT ever been used - there was a case in Canada where a 767 ran out of fuel in the cruise - suspect it worked then and I think the A330 that ran out of fuel a few years ago was a second time? Basically if you get down to the RAT you are up the creek without a paddle.

Oh yes - ETOPS - its one big pain in the ass - it regulations for regulations sake - good luck guys.

[eng80616]

Hi:

Does anyone know the average waiting time between one's medical & SIA calling u up for training?

How many cadet pilots do SIA take in per year?

[7sex7]

anythg from 1-6mnths.There's intake every six weeks.

CDRW,DC-10s got RAT too...rh side of nose gear door.

[Nismo]

Hi guys,
If one is having Pes status as C1-L1,do u think he is eligible for the SIA cadet pilot program taking into account he possesses CPL/ATPL with maybe 300TT on Pistons hrs..? I know the CAAS medical board will review the medical again if one is accepted,but what's the possibility of one being shortlisted with C1-L1 Pes Status?Pls advise.Thanks

cheers

[Colonel W E Kurtz]

At Cathay Pacific Local Cadet pilots do not get paid any housing allowance.

Expat pilots doing the same job do.

The Housing allowance for a First Officer at Cathay is around US$7000 a month.

Does this two tier system operate at SIA also?

[sq111]

$7000 USD housing allowance for FO???

That's more than the salary plus flying allowance for SIA FO.

Even more than basic salary for a SIA Captain.
:{ :{

[teghjeet]

Hi guys, I am an ex Mil pilot from India and have been called for SIA interview for Cdt Pilot? I am already holding an ATPL. any changes in the induction route?

[portwing]

hi guys,

I had heard some people said that after a candidate attended the final interview but not successful (sq111 posted a reply on this topic), reapplication is not possible.. but someone told me that it is still possible but it's only after the 2 years' time.. how true it is?

i'm confused.

regards

[aerogull]

teghjeet,

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of times (total time, multi time, jet time etc.) did you have when they called. Thanks and all the best at the interview.

[422]

Must be very encouraging to some, the level of

interest in Singapore Flying College.

Not a bad place to start a flying career.

Just don't have too high hopes for better wages.

All must bear with the less than accurate method of
recruitment and HR.

Wishing all who try , BEST OF LUCK.

Pls forgive those who tresspass against you, because it is
common thing for instructors at the college to make
eveyone feel like, "scum of the EARTH"

SCUM OF THE EARTH was a motto at SFC for many years.

HOpe all that has changed.

:ok:

[teghjeet]

Hi aerogull,Sorry about the delay
Hrs are approx 2500+ as PIC on HS-748 Avro (Twin,> 20 Tons Turboprop)
Total Capt 3300 Hrs
total flg 4800

[Edwink25]

Hi everyone,

I just had my 1st interview yesterday. It was quite ok but i just realised that i had made a terrible silly mistake. I just got to know after the interview that B744 is actually B747-400. That is why when they asked me if i know what engine B744 uses, i said i don't know. Damn. Hopefully this will not jeopardize my chances. The other questions that they asked me were quite ok except for the common "Why do you want to be a pilot?". Seems like they are not really satisfied with my answer. Well, pray hard for me and good luck to the others!

Regards,
Just another

Hi guys,

I just had my 1st interview yesterday and i realised that i had made a terrible silly mistake. I only just got to know after the interview that B747-400 are actually the same as B744. So when they asked me if i know what engine does the B744 uses, i said i don\'t. Damn! Hope that this will not jeopardize my chances. All the other questions are quite ok except the common "Why do you want to be a pilot?". Seems like they are not satisfied and convinced with my answer. Thats about it. Pray for me and good luck to the rest of the interviewees.

Regards,
Just another one

[yessir]

Hey Guys,

I have been through the second round interviews, passed my medical, but it's been almost 6 months and i haven't heard any reply from SIA!

My medical was in early March! And it's now mid August!

any of you have similar experiences?

The waiting is killing me!

[sq111]

ha ha

welcome to the reality of SIA.

its not uncommon to wait 6 months, or even more.

some of those whom u attended interview (round 2) with has already joined and almost taking their ATPL, but some still waiting.

Why??? I dun know why, seriously, that's life in SIA.

I got called 3 weeks after the check up, but there are others not even called after more than 9 months....

that was many years ago, and things still don't change....

[Edwink25]

Hi Yessir,

Dont worry, i am sure you will be called up in no time. SIA just likes to play the waiting game. How i hope that i will be able to pass everything like you!

Cheers
Just another one

[yessir]

Wow... thanks for the comforting. I know many people have waited for so long also, but like you said sq111, many from my interview batch have already started training months ago.

I was delayed for a while due to a repeat blood test. I was diagnosed as having thalassaemia trait, a deficiency in red blood cells in the blood. But after the repeat blood test, i took the liberty of calling up CAMB, who said i was cleared in a couple of days.

I shall not name names of HR personnel in SIA, but they are really unfriendly man. Whenever i ask them about my status, they just tell me to wait for call/email.

Only good thing is that i haven't received any rejection letter yet.

For those applying, take note that even after clearing the second round interview and after the medical, there are still people who got 'chopped', even though there is apparently no medical problem. And they won't even tell you why! A friend of mine experienced that.

[Edwink25]

Hi SQ111,

I heard that all these "waiting" can be due to the fact that the candidate has not attain the age of 26, which is the official and rightful age that SIA can take in a cadet pilot. Do you know anything about this? Don't know how true this is.

Another assumption made by a friend is that candidates with lower/poorer qualifications will have to wait longer as SIA will take in the better qualified ones first.

Cheers,
Just another one

[yessir]

You are right. Applicants, especially Singaporean, must attain the age of 26 first. This is because the RSAF gets the priority to take in fighter pilots. As such, SIA normally would take in those who have finished their NS and worked a few years.

I am an NTU grad with quite good results, also same thing. But honestly, i think i had to wait cos of my blood test.

[Edwink25]

Hi YesSir,

Sorry, I definitely have no doubts about your qualifications. Well, i too think that the delay is because of your medical results. If given the choice, i think they would have chosen candidates with no medical problems at all ahead of the rest. Well, no choice then, just have to wait....Good luck to you! and to myself as well :)

[sq111]

that's life in SIA, welcome to the reality.

my batch also got those who never got called

get used to it, more to come when u join

[eng80616]

Dear yessir,

I know exactly how you feel, I have been waiting since Feb too...

But at least u have cleared ur med, I still haven't clear mine yet... ;)

[yessir]

Dear sq111,

you mean you had friends who NEVER got called back? Not even a rejection letter or call or email? Gosh, that sucks.

what about the guys you said had to wait more than 9 months? Were they called up in the end? Are they Flying now?

eng80616, I know what you went through. Cos I was in the same interview as you lah. I'm sure you know who i am now. haha.

yessir!

[mooney59]

Hey Edwink,

How come you don't know what engines an SQ -400 has?
Even a school boy with Binos at changi will know!! Better bone up man you wont get an easier question.

Stanby for this one:if winglets [i.e -400] were the greatest thing since slice bread,why does the 777 not have them??.

On the question of renumeration, I can't get over the fact that a CX cabin crew gets S$6000 basic...

[CDRW]

Mooney baby, lighten up on Edwink - would think that he did his homework but was caught out by the "slang" used in the interview. Used around ops you can hear the follwing, to say "I am on B747 -400". The 744, the 400, the 44, the jumbo, the old girl and some times the dinosaur.

Edwink you should not be worried about it. Now, if they had asked you how many engines does a B777 have and you answered 3, then that may be cause for concern.

Mooney - good question on the winglets - many companies are retrofitting their 737's with winglets so why did Boeing not put them on the 777?? Wish I knew because I fly the thing, and going on about odd things, most big aircraft have fuel tanks in the horizontal stab. The B777 is classed as a big aircraft, the 300 ( here we go with the slang again - the B777-300) fuselage is actually longer than the 744, unyet there are no fuel tanks in the tail. Any theories on why??

[portwing]

i have a serious question to ask:

I was told that there are cases a candidate who failed for the final interview of cadet pilot still can reapply after certain years and they got in finally. Has the policy changed or is there any kind soul i can approach to get help on this?

My case is very complicated, wish i can have some advice/help.

best regards

__________________________________________________

hope it helps:

777 was not designed with winglets (only 747 got). At the time Boeing chose to increase the span of the wing rather than add winglets.

As increased span also increases wing aspect ratio [another measure of efficiency] Boeing outlined the addition of winglets did not overcome the weight penalty of carrying winglets.

Sources have since shown that increasing the span of the wing by 4/5 of the height of the winglet will have a similar effect on induced drag as a winglet, though without the added complexities of extra outboard structure, extra weight and extra cost.

The 777 concept is broken down as follows: increased span would result in a higher aspect ratio that would improve the take-off, climb and cruise performance of the airplane without adding winglets. This requires less structural re-enforcement, lower outboard bending moments [which are of particular interest for twinjet design] and reduced construction and maintenance expenditure.

[mooney59]

Someone from Boeing told me that it was omitted because they simply built a more efficient wing on the 777. but then how about the positive effect of the winglet reducing wing-tip vortices and drag?

Anyway I found the answer "they don't want to look like Airbus'' was pretty good!!

No offence intended Edwink, just that I hated to think you gave them reasons to put your name in the 'OUT' tray.

[Edwink25]

Yeah, maybe i should have done more homework and find out more about the "Slangs" they use before going for the inteview. Shucks, rejection is on the way, guess i will just have to reapply and try my luck again. Thanks guys

someone told me that the 1st interview is actually the hardest to get past. Once past, the rest of the interviews are actually much easier. What do you guys think?

[yessir]

Dear Edwink25,

the fist interviews are not easy because there are many people who apply. The attrition rate for the first interview is very high because honestly a lot of them just don't meet the mark.

But the second interview is definitely harder to pass. Think about it. If the second round is easier than the first wouldn't everyone who passed the first round also pass the second round?

The second round interview i went through saw some people being cut. I think there were 9 of us who went, only 6 made it. And out of these 6 so far only 4 have started the course.

Doesn't make sense to have a second round if it were easier than the first round, does it?

:)

[PWB]

Hi,

I've just attended the first interview last Thur (12/Aug/04).

Has SIA contacted anyone (who attended the interview last week) to attend the second interview so far? Am praying real hard for them to call me though i think i could have done better. Not very promising though.....

Thanks. Just wanna guage if i do stand a chance still.

[SIA300]

How come you don't know what engines an SQ -400 has?
Even a school boy with Binos at changi will know!!

hi mooney59,
Just out of curiousity, what engines does an SQ -400 has?:confused:

[mooney59]

There's is one holding at Juliett 10 [CLK] let me get my bino's..

[SIA300]

Just as I thought. Maybe you should refrain from putting people down if you don't know the answer to that 'simple' question.

[mooney59]

Hey chill out man.Four PW's.

Out of curiousity why do you want to know?

[Dibble&Grub]

SIA Fleet Information (http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/app/saa?dynamic=FleetInformation/FleetInformation.html)

I found that in one 'google' - so could you ...

[Edwink25]

Yessir,

Yup of coz usually 2nd interviews are harder...but thats what the 2nd officers at the interview registration told me... anyway, what i think they meant is that we will face the meanest and strictest (humans) in the 1st interview, that is why it is the hardest.....as for the 2nd - 3rd interviews...i guess its totally up to our own abilities and at least we dont have to worry about the interviewees?

PWB,

i was at the interview too on thursday, how was yours?

a B744 or 400 is using PW4056 engines....well ...abit too late now....damn~

[PWB]

Edwink25,

Think mine not very promising.... the interviewers actually asked me to step out of the room after 10mins of interview and then going back again for another 10-15 mins.... said they just needed to check/ discuss something.... asked abt types of engine fitted on SIA fleet too... just praying hard now. Do let me know if you are called up... then i roughly know my chances too....

Dear all,

Anyone has got similiar experience/ heard something like that before too? Can advise on the reason/ probability of being called for the second interview, pls. Thanks.

[Edwink25]

PWB,

I sent you a private msg, go check it out. THanks :)

[SIA300]

mooney59
Hey chill out man.Four PW's.

Out of curiousity why do you want to know?

Oh, for no particular reason. I just love it when pompous wannabes (like yourself) show off their 'technical knowledge' of aircrafts, particularly the one I'm flying.

[Edwink25]

Woooohoooooooooooooooooooooooo~

[mooney59]

This is a wind up right?,you mean you don't know what engines are attached to a -400 ??.

[yessir]

Dear sq111,

you mean you had friends who NEVER got called back? Not even a rejection letter or call or email? Gosh, that sucks.

what about the guys you said had to wait more than 9 months? Were they called up in the end? Are they Flying now?

[SIA300]

mooney59,

I'm not going to waste my time with a STUDENT PILOT who is still doing VFR circuits out of Seletar.(Have you even gone solo yet????)

Maybe when you have learnt the meaning of HUMILITY, then I might be tempted to share with you my technical knowledge of a really wonderful airplane. In the meantime, go practise your landings (yeah, I've read all your postings), EFATO, PFLs, steep turns, stalls, etc in your cute little Cessna/Mooney/Piper Warrior.

Gentlemen, I apologise for deviating from this topic. Allow me to give my views on the interviews. I don't think it's a big deal if you don't know what engines are fitted to SQ airplanes. It's just a rough gauge for them to see how genuinely interested you are in aviation. You can always impress them with some other aviation technical jargon that you may know.

They are basically looking for confident (not cocky though), composed candidates who are genuinely interested in a lifelong career with them.

I do wish all of you best of luck!!

P/S : PW-4056 engines are rated at 56,750 lbs of takeoff thrust each. That's why it's called 4056!:ok:

[Edwink25]

Hi SIA300,

Thanks alot! i will take note of your advice~. :D

Cheers

[landslyde81]

Yeah Edwin, don't worry man... important part is how you present yourself during the interview...big no no is signs of cockiness...just be confident, n u'll be fine...

on another note...keep on reading more aviation stuff...get flight international if u have too...take it one step at a time...

all the best!:ok:

[tebuan]

hey sia 300,

lighten up. nothing too outrageous with that post.

if you are in sia mainline and holding that attitude, i may want to feel sorry for you.

don't knock the chaps who are training-didn't we all start there?

cheers

[mooney59]

Hello, cool down man-you'll burst a blood vessel or something..

BTW no Mooneys at WSSL,just little Pipers,Tobagos and not so cute Cessnas and one Cirrus R 22.Now thats a cute little aeroplane.Everybody in the avaition industry in SGP knows that..

Love to stay and chat but off to work now back in ten days..




Ps: soloed in 10.5 hrs.

Take care now...

[Edwink25]

Hi landslyde81,

Thanks! i am still hoping and praying. Hah, but i heard that some interviewees from my batch has already been called up for the 2nd and 3rd interviews after just less than a week from the 1st interview. I have not received any replies from them yet though. So i can only hope that i will be called up SOON..:/

[halfscaledelfection]

Went for interview and med check up in July....but haven't heard anything yet. Am frm Msia myself and as far as i know, the rest of the msians from my batch haven't heard nothing either. Am actually doing a conversion course from OZ Fatpl to Msian Fatpl and CPL/IR. Takin it as nothing and doin my own thing till that darn phone rings :)

[jabba-777]

Hi there everyone,

Firstly congrats to those that have received interviews.
I just wanted to ask a few questions to those that have received interviews from the SIA cadet ship program.

To those that are Malaysians and applied from Malaysia, is the interview conducted in Malaysia (KL) or is it done in Singapore.

Also to those that applied and got interviews, did you guys complete any higher education (ie: Degree, diploma, etc)

On the SIA website they mention, that you need :
"Minimum of 5 GCE ‘O’/SPM level credits or its equivalent. These must include English, Mathematics and a Pure Science subject, preferably Physics, taken at one sitting"

I would like to know what is the equivalent of the GSE 'O'/SPM in Australia. Like in Perth we have the primary school years: 1-7
secondary school starts in year 8 to year 12. However, years 11 and years 12 is the years you need to sit to get yourself into university. So would the GSE 'O'/SPM be equivalent to year 10, or year 12.

I applied for the SIA cadet program back in 2002, I just started uni then and was told to wait until i finish my degree by a few pilots that i was in contact with, with SIA. They said they prefer to take cadets when they are more mature and have more education, compared to a school leaver. Since a few years have passed and Im' nearing the end of my degree, I would like to apply again and would greatly appreciate some answers to my questions above.

Thanks in advanced
Regards
jabba

[yessir]

Hi guys,

Any Singaporean SIA cadet pilots out there? What happens when you get called up for reservist? During the training phase, will SIA manage to write in to your units to request for deferment? Any such problems?

How about when you start flying? Won't reservist training affect your flying hours for that month?

[marble25]

Gentlemen,

Recently, on the next day after my SIA final interview and tea party, I called up HR and was asked to go for the medical checkup on the next day.

One month later, I checked with CAAS and understand I cleared the medical. A few days later, an email from SIA HR told me, refering to my final interview & tea party, that I have not been successful in my applicantion.

Does SIA have another round of selection after the candidates' medical checkups? What is SIA HR doing? In the email, it also stated that should there be a need for them to reconsider me, they will let me know. SHould I harbour any more hopes in this?

If there's one thing I want to do, this (airline pilot) is it. Now my dream is shattered by a blunt email.

Thanks.

[griffinventure]

In the selection process for SIA cadet pilots - do they use psychometric testing as part of the selection process. You know those verbal . mathematical and spatial reasoning type tests,and those various dot/joystick co-ordination computer tests.

[DoMePlease]

SIA cadets will be sent to the SIngapore Flying College for their training at Seletar, then Jandakot Perth lastly Maroochydore Brisbane.

During your trainning the college will apply for you to be excused from your reservist training. All the cadets will get this exemption from reservist duty. Though the airforce guys still return to the air force for a couple of hours now and then to maintain their currency. But these are the actual airforce pilots and not reservists. I do not know how it goes once you get into the main fleet once you complete training.

griffin: yes. they do have those tests. But to be honest don\'t stress with the tests. Just do it as you would without any preparation. These tests cannot be prepared for. They test your natural ability. No amount of pratice will get you ready for it. I don\'t believe the passing marks for these tests are very high. They just want to make sure you have a decent amount of skill. The much more important part is the tea party and final interview.

Marble: There are no more selection processes after the medical. They whole point of the medical is to satisfy the CAAS so they can start training you.

[Lasagne]

Hi guys, i was wondering what the final interview cum tea party is like? i just went through the 1st interview and went through quite abit of bombardment from the interviewers but was called up for my 2nd round.
Was wondering if the final interview would be as "provoking" a session as the 1st one or a more relaxed really-get-to-know-you- interview? Are there particularly any topics i should read up on or should i just be myself and perform like i did at the 1st interview? And i have absolutely no idea what the tea party is like......need some help guys thanks alot! appreciate it!

[yessir]

Dear Marble25,

i share your feelings cos i am undergoing something like you. After my interview, i was also called up for medical. After the medical, i called CAAS and they have since cleared me. But when i call up HR, they tell me my status is 'pending'. I haven't gotten any rejection emails though. HR said if there is any news, they will let me know.

I have a friend who also got the rejection email after the medical. Very strange cos he doesn't have any medical problems. Makes you wonder, if you didn't pass the interview, why did they send you for the medical in the first place.

Well, hope they will still call you in the future. Good luck

[sq111]

dear all wannabes

that how SIA works, no question asks, no answer given, you just listen.

somehow SAF seems more democratic

They will NEVER tell you why u are no selected

[eng80616]

Dear Marble25,

My friend who was rejected after his medical had LASIK..... that may be the reason why he was rejected. Did u have LASIK also?

Another possibility may be u did not get the necessary clearance from RSAF and CAAS....

[DoMePlease]

You guys may not have replies because you guys scored really low somewhere along the interview process... you have passed your medical but they put you at the bottom of the pile cause there are better applicants at the moment. If they don' get enuf applicants then they will call you. but this is a long shot. If you have seen the HR office you will know what I mean. That place is piled with literally thousands of processed and UNPROCESSED applications. If you are at the bottom of the pile, you are forgotten.

And don\'t bother emailing or calling the HR guy as he does not care. So many ppl have called him it just isn\'t funny anymore. He will not dig you file up from under the pile jst becasue you called him.

[scc]

Marble25 & Eng80616,

Hi! I went for a medical about a month ago.

I was wondering:

1) How did you check with the CAAS that you passed the medical? Does it involve just a phone call?

2) How long after the medical till you got the e-mail from SIA?

3) Did your friend who got rejected for LASIK still get another chance for a medical? I heard from a cadet that during his interview, a candidate who had LASIK done had his medical postponed to a date which is 1 year after his LASIK. However, I'm not sure wheter he actually got to do the medical, or was put aside to the 'bottom of the pile'.

Thanks in advance for your feedback!
SCC

[eng80616]

Hi SCC,

No, my friend did not go another medical. The rejection letter did not indicate the reasons for rejection, we are only speculating that it may be due to LASIK. However, I have also heard of cases where they accept people who had LASIK and waited for 1 year.

[mooney59]

Actually it is not such a long,convoluted process: you if they want you, the whole process gets moving quite smoothly- will not take ''months''.

BTW make sure you bone up on basic questions. i.e:what engines a 744 [-400,dash 400,old lady, whatever]has. and first impressions do make a diffrence, don't go in there half-baked.

[marble25]

Thank you to all for the advice and kind encouragements regarding my case.

Yessir – at least you do not have the rejection letter. Hope is there. I wish you will get the course offer too. I rather I didn't receive the rejection email.

Eng80616 – I did not went for LASIK.

Scc – Yes, I tried calling CAAS to enquire. Please PM me if you need further info. I got the rejection email about 1 month after my medical checkup.

Mooney59 – Yes. I agree, if they want you, they will want you. I guess they are recruiting aggressively now, even opening to India cadet pilots. Application responses must be very good. They can choose to select the very best.

Does anyone knows if, say, immediately after the final interview & tea party, supposing the interviewers still have certain doubts in this particular candidate, but they ask him to go along for the medical checkup. Meanwhile they (SIA HR) do further background checks/discussions on this candidate. Perhaps if they found out more about this candidate, they conclude that he is not suitable and decides to reject him thru email?

Thank you. The advice is most appreciated.

[DoMePlease]

They do not do 'background' checks. The don't waste time and money. If they so much as feel a tiny ounce of doubt in you they will just not take you in. Full stop. They have relatives who fly on the very planes that the cadets will in the future fly. They do not want incompetent pilots primarily becasue of this. The Captains who conduct the interviews and tea parties have seen only too many jack ass second officers online and believe you me, the would rather terminate you at the interview stage than do 'background' checks. Trust me cause I know. And you can blame these cookoo second officers who are lucky enuf to slip thru the checks and tests.

[mooney59]

Absolutley right.

It's like -hey,you don't even prepare yourself,why should i give you anymore time.Such a waste of time for both sides.

love your comment on the the Jackass SO's.

Off to do more 'VFR circuits' [actually are there anyother kind?]

[yessir]

actually i agree with you guys that they will just cut people if unsure. i know i would. for my case, i'm just frus with the HR for leaving me hanging that's all.
oh well... it's not like i can do anything about it.

[jabba-777]

Hey guys,

To those lucky enough to get a shot for a interview with SIA cadet program, i just gotto a few questions.

What sort of qualifications are you guys applying with, like ie, degrees, diplomas, school leaver.

How long does the first interview generally last for, and do they ask you about any sort of extra cirrcular activties that you take part in or any kind of hobbies you are interested in.

If you are degree qualified, do they take a look at your university results and ask you any questions relating to university life or work.

Many thanks in advance
jabba

[scc]

Eng80616,

For the guys who've had LASIK and were accepted, did you know if they had to take their medical at a later date? i.e a year after their operation? Or if they went for the medical anyway and were called up upon 1-year from their LASIK? Am I being to confusing? What i really want to know is their timing of the medical. Right after the 2nd interview? or did they have to wait for awhile until they did their medical

Jabba,

For my 1st interview, half the candidates were working for approx 1-3 years while half were fresh grads. Most had engineering degrees.

Yes, they do ask you about your extracurricular actuvities. You are required to state them in your application form, so i guess they do place some importance in that. Usually thy'll ask how you could relate those activities to you being a good pilot. I think they ask the same questions for working folks as well. The interview lasts for about half hour.

I believe they ask for you to state your degree results in the application form.

If you demonstrate that you have a fairly good knowlege on aviation early in the interview, they'll stop asking those type of questions. They didn't even ask me the basic stuff like how an airplane flies, or the differences btw a 747 & 777.

[eng80616]

Hi SCC,

Yup, they had to take their medical 1 yr after their LASIK. It is a SIA policy for the 1 year stabilising period. When did u have ur LASIK done?

[Issac]

Howdy....~

For those who didnt make it thru the interviews, take it easy because being a pilot is not everything. What you guys see or think of a pilot is only on the exterior, you haven't seen the inside yet. Its a real ****ty job at times. The pay may be good but the disadvantages can easily outweigh the advantages. So don't commit unless you are really VERY keen. I personally have been flying ard for near to 6 yrs. The salary and benefits of being a pilot have been sliding downhill over the years and i certainly don't think the market will improve with the emergence of more budget airlines and the increase in prices of fuel. My fellow mates have even compared ourselves to the other professionals and have realised that the gap has been bridged to such an extent that the difference is just not visible anymore. I have also seen the cocky behaviour of some cadets, Mooney59, in this forum and i really can't help feeling sorry for him and for SIA. Is the standard of SIA decreasing or are the interviewers blinded? Nevertheless, good luck to those who are still really keen and trying. Welcome to the family (if you are selected)!

[portwing]

Hi,

I had applied for the cadet pilot position in 2002 and went thru the final interview but without success. Recently I appealed and wrote to HR, hoping to get the first interview but was rejected on the basis of not good computer test in my first application in 2002.

Is there anyone of SIA I can write appeal letter to for instance svp, vp of certain dept? I am very keen in flying.

Do silkair/sia cargo conduct direct recruitment for cadet pilot? I believe they share the database of those unsuccesful applicants. Will they also like sia, judge the past me based on the old result but not the present me?

It is too bad that CX, BA and QF only open to PR or their citizens for the cadet pilot program. Otherwise I will definitely go to apply.

I hope i can fly one day.

Thanks a lot

[halfscaledelfection]

Did n pass the medical but no email nor news regarding whether or not I'm true.....until then gonna do everythign else that's gonna take me to the front seato f the ac. Hmm...with requirements I myself did a degree in aviation from Aus. Ur guess is as good as mine.

[jabba-777]

Hi there scc,

Thans for the reply to the post, I will keep in mind what you mentiond, hopefully when i get an interview in the future,

thanks again
jabba

[eng80616]

Hello everyone!

Are there any one of u who went thru LASIK and was asked to wait 1 year before SIA sent you for your medical?

Just want to know if there are real life example who have gone thru this and hopefully can share his experience....

[B777_my]

hey scc, have you called up the CAAS for the medical result yet? or are we malaysian supposed to do so? (just asking). Coz i went to the second interview and the medical check in singpore around early august 2004. I am kind of waiting here for the result and thinking of what to do with this endless waiting time... no news no emails...(still have hope la). if so happen that we really have to call up for the medicals result can u give me some of the details needed?

Or anybody here who is the cadet pilot candidates that passed the final interview and the tea party will be automatically notified of their medical results? or the acceptance letter comes along with the medical result?

I m kind of confused here coz the HR never really tell us about these stuff besides to wait...

Thanks.

[Mikku]

Hey B777_My ... i interviewed and did the medical a week ago too. Have you heard anything yet ? I have not .... How many of ya all made it in your batch and how many have been called yet ?

Cheers

[B777_my]

Mikku,

6 in my batch made it through the interview, as i know, none of us is called up yet. Maybe you would still have to wait a while more. how many in your batch made it?

[422]

"Tunggu Tunggu nanti Lepas peluang"

Yo, to you all wannbies,

I would like to wish you all, best of luck in SQ.

Please don't seat on your Butts and wait.

Call the HR person in-charge and find out wheather
you're in or out. They tend to forget that you all
have a life to live and plan out there.

As for CAAS, max 2 weeks wait for medical results.



:ok:

[Mikku]

6 in my batch too ... i think they pick 6 from each batch.
lets hope we hear somethin soon

[B777_my]

Mikku,
ya, i realised many ppl said 6 in their batch made it thru. maybe its SIA's "number"

422,
Are u an aviator or something? Or you have anything to share?

[GallenWolf]

Good day everyone!
I did my eye test at SGH's SNEC (snellen and ishihara tests) but only got a slip of paper with the results from my doctor. Is this correct or is there a more formal form?

Thanks!

GW

[forum newbie]

Here is my situation....i am married to a singapore citizen and she hates it here in america. I am willing to move there and she said that i can get some sort of working visa or permanent residence? I already have my atp and flying regional jets here in the US.

1. DO i apply for the cadet program?

2. I dont have the following requirements since i went to school in the US: Minimum of 5 GCE ‘O’/SPM level credits or its equivalent. These must include English, Mathematics and a Pure Science subject, preferably Physics, taken at one sitting.

Any help appreciated, and how is life as a pilot in singapore????

[Mikku]

B_777 ... what's your experience like ? If you dont mind me asking ... are you working right now ?

[B777_my]

B_777 ... what's your experience like ? If you dont mind me asking ... are you working right now ?

What experience are you referring to? the interview?
I am not really working but helping my parents in their business that's all. And the good thing now is that SIA called me up already! and the course starts at Nov! Thank God for that!

[422]

It is useless askin for answers here.

Join and find out.

Worst case is getting retrenched soon

FUBAR

:ok:

[B777_my]

It is useless askin for answers here.
Join and find out.
Worst case is getting retrenched soon

FUBAR


hey 422, what is happening on your side? so many replies also so negative one.

[Mikku]

HI B777.

Congratulations on your call. Good luck for thr training.
I meant whats your experience like in aviation .... as in do you hold a CPL already ?

Anyways ... still waiting here.

[B777_my]

haha, i flown the F117A before. And without any license! so do you know my qualification?
And all the best to you!

[Mikku]

haha ... ok partner.
Good luck to you on your training !
Has everyone from your batch received a call ?
And any idea, how many cadets comprise a batch generally ?

[B777_my]

so far one guy told me that he recieved the call. but others were incommunicado. And from what i m told from a guy in this forum, a batch normally consists of about 20 ppl but he said the oct batch have 40.

[Mikku]

Hey B777. Thanks for the update. What have you guys been offered by the way ? SIA/CARGO or SILKAIR ? Have they told you which aircraft ?

I hope i m not asking too many questions.
Cheers
Mikku

[B777_my]

I don't think they will tell us just yet. I think maybe we will know when we done our training. But some say that they are told la.

no question are too many if asked properly. :)

[echopapa]

I wanna share something weird. Went to SQ interview last couple of mths, not much qn asked.. breezed through the tech qns. Found out didn't even make it to the second round. I am a former ATC, so I felt a little surprised indeed. I'm not saying that we ATC lot has most certainly a foot in the programme or something, but the aviation and technical background is certainly there and demonstrated.

I do wonder what these sad souls interviewing candidates are looking out for. Nevertheless, will try again once more in January when my six mth waiting period is over.

Oh one more thing, i am 30 this year, and i can see that the interviewer was trying to ruffle my feathers by saying that i am way too old for the program. Gee, that true? Thought Alpas clearly stated that minimum age is 26. And with the last 4 years with direct aviation background, i am certainly puzzled
:confused:

[yessir]

Hi there,

just wondering whether anyone has been called up for the new course/ batch?
I know the most recent one started 19 Nov. Anyone knows about the date of the next one?

thanks

[P.O.M]

Courses on avearage run at about 15-20 per course, that "course of 40" is actually 2 courses being run at the same time. There is about one new course per month.

Course 106 starts in Dec, there is another 'double' course going through in about Feb/March.

They are ramping up numbers, in aircraft and instructors to meet the growing demand for cadets from the airline, so you guys waiting shouldnt have too long to go.

GL to all trying.

Cheers
P.O.M :ok:

[yessir]

Hi all

just to let those who know me, i've been rejected by SIA via email after waiting for 9 long months since the tea party in Feb and medical in March.

[echopapa]

From comments I heard from fellow aspirants and some of those here, its quite likely that the interview and selection process is highly inconsistent.

I really hope that someone can shed some light and help to demystify the whole issue. What are these people looking for and what do they really look out for in a candidate.

In the unfortunate case above, why 9mths of deliberation or pending before typing out an email to inform of rejection? like i said, highly inconsistent practise here.

[echopapa]

From Recruitment today, SQ is looking for Cadet Pilots once more. Its a never ending search, I see

Anyone applying or currently awaiting an interview, do pop by my mailbox. Would like to hear from you. :ok:

[sunnyday]

I applied by hard copy when I was 24 years old and as expected did not get any reply. Just turned 25 years and have been trying to send an email application for the past 2 weeks but their email was down. My email application only got through yesterday and now they are advertising for cadet pilots. Hope I will get an interview with them. :O

[Vimd23]

Hi , echopapa , I interviewed between Sept end and august , dont remember the exact date . No reject letter yet , waiting for round 2. Hopefully , they will get a move on and call us for the 2nd round. Has anyone heard if the 1st batch of Indian pilots have been inducted ?? I heard about the short list , but no induction as yet.

cheers
vimd23

[echopapa]

hey Vimd23

Well, keep your fingers crossed mates.. u may never know when they will get in touch with you. Drop me a pm if you do go through the second round. Would like to hear your experience :)

[jamwyn]

Anyone going with to To Pulau Ubin on the 30th?

Guys i would really appreciate it, if i can get some info or some insight into that OBS camp. heard its running increment of 1 km each day?

Wicked thoughts and OVERweight!

Cheers.

Sorry for the typo : Anyone going with me?

[jonnyjazz]

jamwyn

you are right... running increment of 1 km each day. i don't know for a fact but that's what i have been hearing.

but what i can tell you for fact is that the camp isn't really to train you to fly, it is to see if you can survive and "fit in". So keep it up in there and do as you are told.

perhaps you can tell us about your experience during the 1st, 2nd interviews and specifics about the tests. let me recap important data from the past 1 year. (are they still current?)

location: singapore - sia building
malaysia - hotel Nikko


SIA Interview in the first round (est 30 min)
about yourself + why you want to be a pilot etc

understand how a jet engine works/aerodynamics etc

learn the SIA fleet 777/744 etc

about 3-4 weeks later

2nd interview

2 days affair, first day is just some physcometric tests.

2nd day is situational test in the morning,
do things like design a airport, build a control tower using lego chips (anything else?)

followed by final interview (with about 6-8 interviewers)
more details on the SIA fleet
jet engines + airframe - winglets

and then finally tea party

medic test

p/s it would be beneficial for the next round of cadets - your juniors that will look up to you and regard you their hero when they get in.

[mooney59]

Some old greybeard posted that its not important to avail yourself with the basic facts like what engines on a SQ 744,etc. during the initial interview.He implied not important to know stuff like that -just be humble,etc.

Then he came on and gave us this nugget:''PW-4056 engines are rated at 56,750 lbs of takeoff thrust each. That's why it's called 4056'' Wah, he must really know his airplane well!

Well i know someone who was asked what body of water[not ocean,mind you] SQ flies over first when going to the USA.Could'nt answer that Q, so bombed out!

What gives?

[pengw]

heloo..one of the replies stated that one must be at least 21 yrs and above to qualify for the ATPL.... Im going to be 20 yrs old next yr "may", which will also be the month when i sent in my application...can i ask will i be marked down because of age issues? or do i meet the requirements on time? Any advices to when i should apply? Very thankful to those who helpp me with this!

[RoSs|gnoL]

Hi guys,

I'm a Msian citizen who studied in Singapore for primary and secondary school. Am currently in Sydney doing a degree in Aviation and next year is my last. Part of my course comprises of flying training and I get about 250 hours on pistons plus a frozen Australian ATPL. Really interested in becoming an SQ pilot and was wondering if my foreign licences will stand me in good stead and whether I should convert them to the Malaysian or Singapore ATPL first before applying for the cadetship?
I know of a B777 Captain in the company and he says that once you get selected for the interview, you are basically passed by the interviewers and the more mistakes you make then the more chances you give them of failing you, is that true? Finally, what is expected of me during the interviews? Also, is the OBS course part of the cadetship?

Many thanks!

[maxyuh]

Just finished my preliminary interview on 12/19/04 at KL. Still waiting for reply on whether I can make it for the next round.

[commandozx]

hi SQ 111,

i am going for my apt and second interview cum sit test on this coming tues.

in ur view, wat show i prepare for the apt and sit test.
i have been mugging for weeks for the 2nd interview... and i think i am ready.. .

its just this apt and sit test that i am getting quite worried abt...

i need your advice on this

thank you for ur time.......


Pilot wannabe

[sq111]

commandozx

Nothing you really need to do. be humble, show your passion to be a pilot, that abt it. No need to mug, i never mug, except just know some basics like how a jet engine works, how many engines does a 744/777/A340 has, what you wish to fly if you are selected (if you answer B737, or B767, then that's it)

Or maybe they'll ask you the range of A345.

As for the Sit test and Apt, no worries, you don't need the dexterity of a fighter pilot, I gather that you are a commando, so I think shouldn't be something you can't handle. (I'm a commando myself)

Sometimes they'll ask stupid question like why didn't you go OCS during NS, do you think Commandos are assets to SAF. (Its true cos I got this question that time)

When you make it to round two, basically its about 80% chance already, so just relax

[RoSs|gnoL]

Hey SQ111,

If you don't mind, could you comment on my previous post?

Thanks!

[sq111]

Yes there is OBS, either Pulau Ubin or Lumut. Dunno the Tsunami will change plans or not.

As far as I know, your license will not be recognised and you'll still do all the papers in Singapore Flying College. The Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore only recignises licenses if you got it in Jandakot (which is where Singapore Flying College is) or another university in New Zealand (Can't be bothered to find out)

You'll still do the cadetship like any new entrants w/o any flying experience. ie you'll be treated like Ab initio. only advantage is that you'l probably complete Jandakot phase faster than others

Check with CAAS for more info, can't really provide much

[RoSs|gnoL]

All right...thanks a lot!

Cheers!

[commandozx]

hi SQ111 comrade.....


thanks for ur reply
check ur Pm..

thanks

[TinyBrain]

Hi.. Anyone out there had just completed their 2nd and final interview and selected for medical check-up?

[d2way]

Dear All,

I had received a email asking me for an interview on the coming 19th Jan.

I had a question to ask the gurus here.

" IS there any weight requirement to join the cadet pilot program? Esp during the medical checkup?"


Cheers!

[TinyBrain]

Hi d2way,

Ermm.. I havn't heard of any weight requirements as far as I know.... Anyway.. Don't think so much d2way, just be yourself and go for the interview. Do your best there and see what happens. Their replies are very prompt nowadays unlike what you saw in the past few posts where they mentioned it took months...
In my batch, majority of us within one to two working days, and a few took one week to receive a call from HR to attend 2nd and 3rd interview cum tea party. Next day after tea party, you will get the green/red light for next stage: medical check-up. Approx. 3 weeks after medical, the email will reach your inbox and woohooo.. go for your celebration!.. =)
Errm.. just a suggestion from TinyBrain: during the first interview, rather than hanging around and waiting for your turn, try mixing around and exchange contacts. In this way, you guys can keep each other update when u or your peers get a reply for 2nd interview. Last but not least, ALL THE BEST! Good Luck man!

[d2way]

Hi TinyBrain,

Thanks for your reply.

I am just consious about my weight as I had been a little overweight.
Anyway, I am on very strict diet this few weeks. So I hope to have some weight loss for the interview or Medical (if I can go thru).

Also, Congrads to you.... hope things will be smooth for you.

I didn't know that you will know if you will be flying Cargo or commercial at the initial stage. Isn't it depends on your performance during the training?

Cheers!

[TinyBrain]

Glad to hear that you are cutting down your weight... Even not for the job, as least it's for your own good, pal.

As for the SQ main/ cargo/ silkair contract, I thought will only be assigned after cadetship too. But to our surprise, we received the SQ Cargo contract. Maybe they had revised their system?

Well, at least we know where we'll go after cadetship rather than being posted there when you`d been hoping for the main fleet since training..

Once again, GOOD LUCK for your 1st interview.. and do update us! ^-^

*Cheers*

[Jessie Blue]

Hi, friends,

I'm a pilot wannabe, too, going for my 2nd interview next week! I'm pretty nervous, but that's me.

SIA HR actually sent me an email within the week that I underwent the 1st interview. I think the response time have greatly improved :)

I will like to ask the experienced pilots this question - other than flying, are you also involved in the management of the airline? If so, how exactly are pilots involved?

Thanks in advance!

Jessie

[TinyBrain]

Hey hey hey.. All the best for your 2nd & 3rd interview cum tea party!!!

Yup, definitely the response is much faster. And you'll get the result of final interview the very next day.

Do keep us update of your good news! ;)

Good Luck!

[JustMe26]

Hey Jessie Blue

Are you one of those who went for the 13th 2005 Jan Batch??

I received an email 3 days after the 1st interview as well. And now I think we are both scheduled on the same 2nd,3rd round next week.

I think not to worry to much and just be yourself because if this PILOT career is yours, even with the slighest effort, it will be your. The more pressure you put ion yourself, anybody will fumble more. Just chill out, be confident, and I do hop eto see you at the interview ground next week :0) Just read up some stuff from ASPIRING to be A Pilot website, and i think that should be all. Pressure will be all around, no doubt, just stay calm yeah!

See you there!

p/s: i was one of the those in ROOM 2 of the 1st round interview.

[TinyBrain]

Wow wow wow.. looks like more and more candidates who read this forum gets to clear round one...

Prove that this forum is indeed a great place for us to get prepared... ;)

All the best too you too JustMe26, hope both u & Jessie Blue will come back and update us of your good news!

[Jessie Blue]

Hi hi, Brain & JM26,

Actually, my 1st interview was in Nov 04! But because I hv some work commitments that I really couldn't push away, so I requested Mr. Edward from HR to postpone the 2nd round. I thought I blew it, but SIA did get back to me again. Phew!

I'm touched by the outpouring of encouragement I hv received. I now see pilots as a group of professionals who care abt other people and are not just concerned abt themselves. Kudos.

Good luck, JM26, and thanks a mil to Brain! And a perfect Year of the Rooster to all!

Jessie Blue

p.s. so does anyone know how pilots are involved in the management of the airline?

[TinyBrain]

Yo J.Blue...

Ermm.. to my knowledge, S/O and F/Officers will not have any roles in the management team.. Our main focus should be on how to get to captains which is gonna take years & experiences to attain it.

Management path will only comes in upon reaching captain... depending on vacancies and performance.

The above are what I heard of, and to the best of my knowledge. Anyone deems the need to edit, feel free to correct me, thanks!

[d2way]

Hi JustMe26,

I had my interview on the 19th in RM 1.
Still waiting for the reply."finger cross"
Have you had the tests already?
I thought the tests will come first before the 2nd and third interview?

TinyBrian,

You are right! This forum had proven to be very informative.
Down from Wannabes to pilots level.
Also, Thanks for your advice earlier.
But I do not think I did well for the interview.
Made a few silly mistakes.
Anyway, just hope for the best.

Question : Will SQ inform the successful applicants first then the reject one later?


Cheers!

[TinyBrain]

Just for your referrence: Based on me and 2 others whom I got to know thru first interview, I was given the notice to attend the 2nd & 3rd interview 2 days later after my first. The other 2 had no replies until a week later and were told they are rejected.

As for the test, it is actually done on the 2nd interview. Went for some admin stuffs, submitting of documents and briefing.. etc etc. The next day will be SIT test, final interview cum tea party...

Hope this will be useful to you in due course dude!!.. Don't worry man, I thought I did badly for my 1st round too.. :}

Regards.

[Susheel]

Hey there,


This Q's is to u guys who have just gone through the interviews.


1) how often is the selection process??? once every 2 months?

2) Is there a long wait between the handing in the application to till they call u up? From what i read its between a week to a couple of years? better to email everything to them or post it?

3) What sort of questions do they ask???...ie..what do u wanna fly,how many engines does a 744 have, explain how a jet engine works...etc

4) What do u think they expect from u from the 1st interview?

5) What do they expect from the other interviews??? What sort of questions do they ask???

6) What is ecpected of u during the tea party??

I know the list is long and most of the questions would have been answered before....but a clear and gathered answer would be awsome.

Cheers

[JustMe26]

Hi d2Way,

You are right to say that the test comes on the 2nd interview. If you have not received yoru rejection letter yet, means thereis STILL chance for you :0)ALrite.

I went for the test today. I met JessieBlue, real nice and chatty guy. There were 8 of us there today. 2 did not want to take up the pilotship anymore. So it is the BIG day tomorrow going through the final interview. The test today is MENTALLY draining where they confused you with loads of things in their EQ and IQ questions. Just stay focus. If any of you guys are going for the 2nd round, do READ the instructions crefully because that is your only lifeline. But just stay cool yeah. I am in fact trying to now, as tomorrow will be the D-DAY for all the guys who attended today's session.

Meantime, I cant write much for now, my heart is too anxious for tomorrow's event:P Will still keep you guys posted when the interview is OVER.

[TinyBrain]

Hey JM26,

Wow, Stay cool buddy.. I guess u must be waiting patiently for 11.30am now??.. hehe.... Time-check, 10.45am, 45mins to go..
Do keep us posted man!! Really hope both you and Blue gets in. :ok:

Actually, getting thru` to second round, you are halfway there.. It's not a matter of competition with the rest of the candidates anymore but how you can prove yourself to be a pilot wannabe I think. Coz` there are some batches that had all 10 candidates make it thru` while mine had only 5.

Once again, GOOD LUCK dude! -TinyBrain


Hii Susheel,
To the best of my knowledge, hope it helps:

1) how often is the selection process??? once every 2 months?
Brain's feel: I think almost every month/week, And it's an ongoing process. About 30 interviewees per 1st interview.. And 10 during the 2nd and final interview/test.

2) Is there a long wait between the handing in the application to till they call u up? From what i read its between a week to a couple of years? better to email everything to them or post it?
Brain's Ans: I submitted by email in Sept and received the response in Dec. Important will be the application form. The rest of the documents; transcript, NS COS, dip/deg etc will be asked to bring during your first interview.

3) What sort of questions do they ask???...ie..what do u wanna fly,how many engines does a 744 have, explain how a jet engine works...etc
Brain's Ans: Everything up sky to earth and even down underwater. Majority of my qns revolves around my NS and if you have those knowledge of a/craft, it'll show your keen interest in aviation.

4) What do u think they expect from u from the 1st interview?
Brain's feel: Just be yourself and answer truthfully.

5) What do they expect from the other interviews??? What sort of questions do they ask???
Brain's feel: 2nd round is not so much of competing I think. But how you can work in team and how you can manage stress and pressure. I had my final interview qns about the same as the 1st.

6) What is ecpected of u during the tea party??
Brain's ans: Release yourself from the tension and expose your reality. Chat with the interviewers and ask them relevant qns or experiences.

The above are only my shallow knowledge and what I had experienced. It has no way in one or another represent any airline's stand. ;)

[Susheel]

Howyagoin Brain,


Cheers for the heads-up, god knows i need it. Just got to read-up all the bloody notes i got from PPL to ATPL . Do they use the 737 for the ATPL tests..ie NAvigation and flight planning or still the old 727?


Cheers matey.

[TinyBrain]

U're most welcome, pal. Ermm.. I don't mean you really have to read up the notes.. but the basic understanding of how a plane flys, how many engines does a 777/747 have, what's the difference between each a/craft... etc... As for me, I was asked how does an a/craft bank...

Do u have a ATPL license?

Regards, Tinybrain.

[JustMe26]

Hi ALL,
I went through the 2nd day of the interview yesterday. Bombared with loads of question, and the waiting time to know whether you got in really KILSSSS.But i am glad it is over. Really over. I didn;'t make the cut. Not knowing the reason why, but I think Jessie Blue made it .. 8 of us ..i think only 4 made it through thuogh.

Strange huh. Well, I have none to blame, just see through it that I am not able to make the cut. For those of you who are going for the 2nd round, well .. I think, just be yourself. Nothing much you can do, because the interview panels which consists of 6 panels, will keep asking you and mocking you till you are STUNNED in the face :0). Nonethless, just stay clam. If you can, anything also can ..alrite.:0)

Good luck to all those who are waiting for the 2nd round :0)

Signing off:0)

[TinyBrain]

Hi JM26,

Don't worry, I think it's not that you are not better or anything than the rest of the candidates.. just that pressure might have taken control. I think you had over-stressed yourself and hence got STUNNED by their questions. Who knows, there may be much more better opportunities out there awaiting for you in the days to come!...

Give yourself a pat on the shoulder for making it to the second round dude.... :ok:

Good luck and thanks for sharing with us your experiences! ;)

[Jessie Blue]

Hi, guys.

Yes, I made it thru the 2nd interview, and I found out abt the passing rate when I went for the medical today.

I'm sorry that JM26 couldn't join us, because after 2 days of nerve-wracking tests, I felt the bond between the 8 of us. To be honest, I would hv loved for JM26 to be with us because he is one of the more cheerful, always encouraging, with a storehouse of knowledge to boot.

JM26, I could feel your passion for flying. There may be other ways for you to pursue your interests. God works in mysterious ways. Whatever is in store for you, I sincerely wish you the best of fortune in your future endeavours. Pls continue to keep in touch.

Thanks again to each and everyone. Be back soon.

Jessie Blue

[Susheel]

Tiny,


Nah i dont have my atpl theory but should be able to sit for it after a months study. Bloody Air Law aint gonna be easy. How about the IREX exam? Got any ideas about the theory? A/C banks eh? Sh*t i hope they are not gonna ask questions about Medium Level turns and Forced landings...cant remember the checklist anymore...more studying for me then.

The rest,

S**t the interviews arent that easy eh? Well guys keep trying and hopefully you get in sooner or later. Keep your fingers crossed.


Cheers guys

[Mikku]

damn .. things are really hotting up ... here at pprune as well as SIA. True the response time is a lot faster .. there apparently is an acute shortage of pilots on the 744. Most of the people can expect to be slotted for SQ cargo, like mylsef and tinybrain.
Hey tinybrain .. just received my joining instructions .. i reach singapore on the 10th. Hope to see you during the briefing.

Good luck to guys still to interview .. like everyone else said, just be honest and when you dont know, say you dont know.

my best regards,
mikku


hey susheel .. you of indian origin by any chance ?

[Susheel]

Mikku,

Yup of indian origin...Malaysian by birth and hell i love the food there...only 21 more days till i get back to eat all the food i want!!!!!!!!!

Nah but im in australia, just graduated...just taking it easy and relaxing now.

Anyways good luck in the future!

Susheel

[monkme]

Hi Everyone,
I'm relatively new to this forum. I think there are quite alot of helpful information here, and i would like to thank everyone for sharing their experiences and knowledge.

I apologise in advance for my ignorance (the dumb questions that are to follow), also the fact that i'm not local to Singapore.

I've read about this training camping "OBS", and i was wondering what does OBS stand for ? How long is the camp ? What does the camp involve (besides from running 1km increments) ?

I would appreciate if anyone could shed some light.

Regards,
Monkme

[Susheel]

From experience....OBS stands for Outward Bound School. Take it as a boot camp for the untrained military serviceman. The one in Lumut, Malaysia is a pretty good one except the bloody quaters are located on a steep hill. Its not bad of a place. Remember going there about 7 years ago for a childrens adventure course for 10 days...and the adults course had it bad. But i guess the course there brings out the good in ppl.

The island that they ask u to kayak to isnt bad either...infact secluded paradise i guess. I think thats the real pangkor island ...but i remember from a different outing to the same island a year later. It had a fishermans village on the otherside. Correct me if im wrong anyone?

Hope that helped.

P.S. anyone know if the food is still good there??? the old aunty there was pretty good in her mutton curry!!!!

By the way monkeme, which part of australia u from?

[d2way]

Hi Guys,

I'am sorry for those who didn't make it thru the 2nd interview..

I had my 1st interview on the 19 jan.
Till now no news yet..

*Finger Cross*

[akistar]

If I am nor wrong the OBS is at the island called Palau Ubin, just besides Changi, East Coast of Singapore. And believe it or not, the kayaking is around Singapore!......

[Susheel]

Dear Akistar,

Yup i know Singapore has its own OBS. But when it is full....most of the time they end up in Lumut . Same thing when i was there. I think there was just above 70 ppl from Singapore. Sorry for the confusion. There is another in Sabah i think. All over the place i guess.


Susheel

[monkme]

Hi Susheel,
Thank you for answering my questions.

Please check your PM,

Regards,
Monkme

[VAMP]

Hi Guys,

Been reading for a while these few weeks on the postings. Congrats to those who made it. I was one of those interviewed on the 14 Jan 05.
Wonderin' if anyone interviewed on this date has been notified yet? I have not received any form on notification from them.

If say we are rejected, how soon are we notified? are they going to notify us in the first place.

In the mean time, I am chanting hard.

All the best to the rest of us...........

Cheers....vamp

[Susheel]

Monkme,

No worries mate. Have done what u asked for on the PM.


Cheers,

Susheel

[Knightwhosays_NI]

Hey VAMP and rest of the guys,

go here to get the answers to some of your questions.

http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147640

don't have to read everything, just scroll down the post to get to the part which you want.

[Jessie Blue]

Hi, Knight

You are the first SIA pilot whom I spoke with and whom encouraged me to go ahead for the selection. I followed your advice, went to CPT KH Lim and also every pilot I could get my hands on.

I'm not thru to the blue skies yet, but I just want to thank you for all your help.

Thank you, and best of luck in your career.

Jessie Blue.

[Knightwhosays_NI]

Hi Jessie Blue,

You're most welcome, I'm glad that I could be of some help.

Btw, I'm still a cadet at the moment, not quite the SIA pilot yet. If you're selected by SIA soon (fingers crossed eh?), it's even possible that we'll bump into each other at jandakot.

Keep in touch and let me know if there's anything else I can help you with. Same goes with anyone else reading this.

Lastly, some of you may know jamwyn who also posts on this site (which is also where I first got to know him). He's just started his ground school in seletar. So for you guys waiting out there, take heart and be patient.

:)

[landslyde81]

Hi Guys,

Been some time since i last posted in this wonderful thread...

Congrats to those who made it (as in those receiving the offer letter) :ok:

Just a point i wanna make here for those still aspiring to be a pilot with SQ... make sure you do your homework thoroughly... give your best shot beginning from stage 1 (the first interview) right to the last stage in STC...

You can have lotsa tips n pointers in this forum or on the net...

I've learnt that SQ is very stringent in its selection process and only the best of the best gets selected... and once you're selected, just continue to give your best shot ( i had a fren who got chopped halfway thru training... and he actually quit his current job to fulfill his pilot dream)...

So the point is, give your best shot from day one...rite till u grad after Learjet and such... and you'll be fine...
:O

Talk to the current SQ pilots and cadets...they'll give u a rough picture on how things are... (study life, working life etc etc) ;)

It is not easy, but it is definately worth it...:ok:

[herman111]

Hi guys,
If anyone can help me out here with some info:-

Does the flight simulator during training is as hard to control as in PC( i use a laptop and cant seem to manuver properly...often off course)...

[Susheel]

Hey Herman11,

If u are speaking of the Microsoft FlightSim
then you are spot on! From experience you are better off getting a joystick. Trust me its better.


Susheel

[jamwyn]

Bro Knightie...

All the best in ATPL yah.

Thanks for the guidance at all times man.

Best of luck in April exams..

Regards
Marty.

[wootail]

Anyone has the list of the benefits of the SIA staff pass?

And also the details of the mobile corporate plan from various service providers?

[Gigz]

Hi all! :)

Firstly thanks for all the enriching information you all have posted through all the 16 pages of posts. Finished reading every post and have been able to learn alot from all your experiences. ^^

Just want to ask a very very minor question about what I couldn't find through reading all of them. During call-ups for the interviews, usually what attire is most appropriate when going for them? Suit? Coat? Shirt + Tie?

Apologies if my question was a silly one, hehe... I am not too experienced in the dealings of interviews to be honest. I too am someone who is aspiring to become a pilot one day, and will soon apply through the cadet pilot program provided by SIA. :)

P.S. Oh, last last question. Ehm... if sending in through email, what do I do with all the scanned documents and certificate? Do I put them all into a doc file, or zip it up into an archive file and send together with the application?

Gigz

[Jessie Blue]

Hi, friends,

been out of touch for some time. I've received my offer letter from SIA Cargo to start the course in Apr. However, as my current employer did not allow to leave in such short notice, I had to reject the offer and wait for the next batch. I was told specifically to tender asap.

But the next offer never came, and I've already tendered my resignation. I'm walking away from a $70k annual pay job, but I do feel I've been treated rather high-handedly by the SIA HR. So stupid of me, right? Sign.

Well, I can just wait...

Jessie Blue

[Robbie_collins]

wow.. a 70K annual payment job..and u left it to work as a cadet which will pay you $1300 per mth for the first 2-3 years. There is also the possibility that you may be asked to leave at any stage if found unsuitable.

I am just wondering what is your strategy here? I am not trying to down your spirits..but are you that optimistic that a job at SQ can match whatever you were currently earning then?

[mochiman]

SQ111 - Please check your PM's

Thanks.

[herman111]

please check your PM..

Thanks a lot

[CDRW]

Gigz

The good old fashioned saying is appropriate here - first impressions, so jeans and T shirt is not on, but likewise a full on suit is over the top. Tie with long sleeve shirt, will usually do in Singapore. There is also a theory that only management wear ties in STC, but that should not apply to you.

Good luck.

[Jessie Blue]

Hello, friends,

Before going for the psychomotor tests, I bought a joystick and tried my hands on the Microsoft Flightsim. I even went to the aracde to hone my reflexes. Honestly, after going thru the SIA gauntlet, its not necessary. If an idiot like me can do it, you guys shd hv no problem.

Bring all your documents, original and photocopies. I recall having to xerox some documents in the office. Don't go in flustered.

I wore a white long-sleeved shirt with a plain tie for all the interviews. I guess that shd do fine.

Good luck to those going for ATPL and interviews.

Jessie

P.S. Sorry Brainy, I just saw your PM. Quite the computer illiterate, I am. Hope you're doing well.

[commandozx]

hi guys...

i will be going to OBS this coming 29th April.... any brothers here going there too ?

hope to hear from u guys soon

take care

[A369]

Hey guys,

I'm a newbie here, just registered but have been browsing through this forum every now and then for the past few years now.

Have been called up for my 1st interview next week, was really surprised how quick it was as I only submitted my application 3 weeks ago.

It's really good to hear from everyone in this forum, seems there's lots of camaraderie among forum users, which I find very heartening and encouraging.

Well wish me luck, and will keep you guys updated on my progress.


A369

[Jessie Blue]

Good luck, Commando and A369.

Herman, I think they don't hv intakes every month. They prob hold interviews once a month. I'm not sure myself. I know how worrying it is, being in your shoes myself.

Does any cadet pilot hv any advice for someone who's waiting for the next intake (e.g myself)? Shd I be reading anything?

Thanks and best regards.
Jessie Blue

[herman111]

Hi Jessie,
Thanks for the info mate...hope everything turns out well for you. Hope the same for me too....
Did they allow u to choose cargo or was it offered to you...
I read somewhere that they have the preliminary interviews every other week...the second phase(final) interviews, i am not very sure but i know that they even had two batches in a month sometime last year. The OBS intakes i am not sure also but gathering from some info's...it does seem that their intakes are quite frequent.

can anyone comment please.


hi commando....Best wishes to you man....

A369....Good luck to you..

[TinyBrain]

Herman: We ain't allow to opt for SQ, Cargo or Silkair, it was offered to you... Intake is about 20 cadets per month.

JessieBlue: Heard that you'd tender your resignation on your current job. Do give Cargo HR a call, there're tons of applications out there and they might be waiting for u to update them while you are here waiting for them. Andreas is a nice lady to speak to. ;)
Erm... To give you a brief intro: the CAAS tech paper will be 6weeks later from the day you start ground school:
1) Theory/Fundamentals of Flights
2) Airframes System
3) Electrics
4) Piston Engines/Basic Gas Turbine/Propellers
5) Weight & Balance - Loading
6) Radiotelephony.
Hope I didn't miss out any.
But, not to worry as the instructors and seniors are ready to help you to get through with it. For the time being, just ENJOY YOURSELF while you still can!!.. :=

A369: Keep us posted, GOOD LUCK! :ok:

commandozx: woooohooo... finally heard you starting your OBS!!... Seeya in Seletar when you return from your OBS in May man... Btw, OBS in Ubin or Lumut?

Robbie_collins: stop your rubbish here dude... I had read your posting on the other thread. You sound like a rejected applicant who goes around trying to create some conflicts. :cool:

[herman111]

Hi bro,
Thanks for the info man...really appreciate it...

Is SQ also taking cadet for mainliners....as i have come across many who are offered cargo...have not heard of any in silkair too. are the intakes mixed with cadets SQ mainline,cargo and silkair or seperated according to their sub companies???

thanks again

[Jessie Blue]

Hi, Brainy! Good to hear from you again.

Yes, Andrea is relatively nice to speak with :p but I've really sent her many emails and called her so many times that she must find me very irritating!

She has only one answer for me: Joyce hasn't given her a date
:{ Funny thing is, if there's an intake of 20 per month, why doesn't she just slot me in the month of June (when I'm slated to leave my current job) or something?

:confused:

Thanks for the tip, Brainy, I am so going to mug up on those topics you mentioned. No point wasting time eh?

Hope to hear the good news from everyone out there soon (including myself!)

Jessie Blue

[dinomax]

hi everyone!

I'm a new pilot wannabe. :p

1st interview on the 15th April 05. Wish me luck! This has been a good thread to read. ehehehe..... So many pages. :p

[herman111]

Hi dino,
Good luck to you bro....all the best in the interview

[piece_ins]

Hi Dino,

I'm also going for the interview :p
But my interview date is on the 24th April 2005. All the best !

Cheers :D