Super Puma

[disstings]

So what's this we're hearing about out here? Story goes, that a Super Puma in the North Sea last week had a huge sideways movement due to a CB, which resulted in all five tail rotor blades hitting the tail pylon and taking a huge chunk out of it in passing.. .We were told that the Puma made it back to base with 5 cracked tail rotor blades and perhaps 18 cracked passengers and two crew.. .If true, I guess even for those that say the North Sea is routine and you're trained for all the routine atrocious weather; flying a helicopter there should never be taken for granted. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 14 March 2002, 23:19: Message edited by: disstings ]</small>

[widgeon]

Scuse my ignorance , what is a CB ?.

[The Nr Fairy]

Cumulonimbus ?

[Rotorbike]

Heard the same rumour.... .. .Can only add that it was supposingly a Bristow aircraft.

[Special 25]

Well, to confirm the facts and figures - Yes it is largly true. Up in the East Shetland Basin a couple of weeks ago, a Bristow Super Puma (Tiger) hit what we think was a water spout which basically sent the aircraft all over the place with some very nasty noises and vibrations as the tail rotor hit the pylon. . .. .As a result there was a hole just big enough to put a clenched fist through in the tail pylons skin and damage to most of the tail rotor blades although I believe only one had a major chunk taken out of it. Thankfully, it didn't shake itself to pieces and they got back to Scatsta OK to inspect the damage.. .. .The aircraft in question was one that Bristow have fitted with a new type of 'Black-Box' which will give a lot of easily accessible data on what happened to the helicopter during those nightmare seconds, so it will be interesting to see that info when its released.

[Chopper Jog]

Hi to all the global heli drivers,

I would like to establish what companies are flying Super Pumas around the world (Excluding Bristows, CHC, Cougar, Hong Kong GFS, Helikopter Services and Malaysian HS).

Cheers,

CJ

[212man]

Well, off the top of my head: COHC, ERA, Helibras and the Vietnamese outfit (South Sea something?). I thought there were a couple of L2s in Angola too for the local company.

What part of W. Africa are you? Not down the road in PH by any chance?

[ecspotter]

hello
few update from france

Viet Nam Southern SFC / Service Flight Vietnam
Europe : Helog (Swiss); Ali Europe (Italia)
Norsk ;Danish Intl helicopters...
Japan Aero Asahi ; Toho Air Service ...
Africa Sonair (angola 2 L2)
south america Brasilian Air Service (not Helibras - 2L2)

lionel

Eurocopter Spotter Page
http://lionel.laporte.free.fr/index.htm

[rotordk]

Norsk Helikopter is Bristows, and Danish Intl helicopters is CHC

[Bladestrike]

Howdy, looking for some Super Puma general info;

What's the major difference between the L and L-1 models? Is the L-1 the stretched version?

Is the Autopilot a standard item or an option?

Is the Flight Director standard with the autopilot installation?

[HeliEng]

Hi there!

That's a lot of questions, so here goes.

The main difference between the L and the L1 is avionics. There were 5 versions of the L1, all were progressively more complex and capable avionics fits. Mechanically, they are there of there abouts the same.

The L/L1 is the stretched version of the 332 C.

The Autopilot is a standard fit.

I am not 100% sure, but I think that the Flight director does come as part and parcel of the auto pilot, one of the other guys might be able to confirm.

I hope that helps

[nicknorman]

The main differences that I am aware of is that the L1 has slightly uprated Makila 1A1 engines (instead of 1A on the L) and modified (simplified) landing gear retraction system that is more like that on the L2.

The autopilot on the L has a few possibilities depending on mod state - the basic one is 3 axis with altitude, airspeed and selected heading hold. Then there is an option for an additional coupler panel which gives coupled ILSs and VOR approaches etc, as well as a flight director, trimmable airspeed hold, vertical speed hold plus probably something I have forgotten :confused: . Then you can have the 4-axis autopilot which includes the coupler panel and an actuator for the collective.

Hope that helps

Nick

[Bladestrike]

Thanks for the replies!

[Canadian Rotorhead]

Bladestrike, you don't need any stinking autopilot. Woody won't let you take your hands off the controls to drink coffee anyways.

;-)

CDN RH

[ATPMBA]

Anyone have an idea what it cost to run a Super Puma per hour. I'm interested in the DOC rate (direct operating cost). Please also list the price of Jet Fuel that's used in the cost.

Thank you.

[Hippolite]

ATPMBA

What do you mean by DOC? Do you mean DMC+CPH+AF+OH?

Or do you just mean DMC as epr the manufacturer(s) quoted PBH rates?

DOC is an often misused and very misunderstood term and using it wronly will cost you any profit on the job.

HH:cool:

[ATPMBA]

By DOC I mean:

Fuel & Oil cost per hour.

Life limited components per hour (based on a new heli).

Reserve for engine overhaul (based on a new heli).

[Hippolite]

Ok, you mean DMC then.

Do you mean EC225 or 332L2? 332L1s are not available new anymore.

HH
:cool:

[ATPMBA]

HH,

I'll go with 332L2.

Thank you.

[Bomber ARIS]

In order to delay the answer still further, you must first tell us what colour 332L2 you are referring to.........

[MaxNg]

Bomer aris

Colour does indeed matter!

Rumour has it that it's cheaper to lease a Bristow's Puma from it's lease holder than that of CHC's from Mr Dobbin (re Tallisman and Shell contract):{

[Bomber ARIS]

"Yeh.........Ah know"

Bristow Puma = Knackered old Tiger = Not a proper Super Puma

CHC Puma = Mixture of ex-BIH donkeys/Bond Super Pumas (The ex-Red ones having some semblance of cockpit standardisation)

[leemind]

I bet it is a shiny new Red one... trying to work out how much it cost Tony Blair to nip up to Gateshead last week? ;)

[Hippolite]

ATPMBA

$ Euro @1.29 today. Hourly will be around US$1500 excl fuel but including

Engines (Turbomeca)
Transmissions (Main Inter and Tail)
Airframe allowance
Avionics
Excluding consumables under $200

HH:cool:

[Chairmanofthebored]

Hi there,

Can someone please tell me what is the MAUW of the L model puma and the fuel burn per hour in cruise?
If you know the same infomation for the L1 and 2 that would be great.

Thankyou!

[212man]

for the L1 it's 18,960 lb and burns 1030 lb/hr at lowish altitudes, in temperate climates and with 15.5 degrees of pitch.

[Nellis]

The MAUW of the L model is 16,300 lbs. If I remember correctly, the fuel burn is ±1,200 lbs per hour. This is a good yardstick for flight planning purposes when operating in the bush and the ideal briefing facilities such as met, load, etc are not available.

Cheers

[Nellis]

Retract previous answer!! I was thinking of the 330 L model

[Chairmanofthebored]

212man RU online at the moment, could I skype with you or e-mail you this afternoon?

Regards

[212man]

pm me if you like

[the beater]

L, 8600kg, 490kg/hr
L2, 9300kg, 500kg/hr
The fuel burn varies with power settings/altitude etc, but these are what I believe are used in Aberdeen for planning purposes.